Question Charging while shut down - Motorola Edge 30 Ultra / Motorola Moto X30 Pro

Hi guys. I noticed that charging this phone from shut down state to 100% gets this phone insanely hot. I actually left it charge until 50 percent as i literally got scared, never felt this kind of temperature in a phone.
It only happens when charging it from shut down state. Temperatures are normal when charging phone being turned on.

I have noticed the same. The charge rate is higher and the heatup is a bit more. Maybe the safety mechanisms do not work while the device is off. Turning it back on was all fine for me. It usually never gets "hot" while its on.

I've read somewhere in the official guide by Motorola UK that the phone needs to be turned on for charging.
I guess it because when it is on, some software features will limit the power boost, and probably those are not possible when the phone is shut down.

Probably the phone chooses a different PD profile or a more aggressive charging strategy after shutting down. Actually the phone does not really shutdown after plugging-in, it still loads some firmware in order to make PD charging work and also the display.

I asked them by support, thats what i got.
'When the device is on, it has stricter temperature controls in place to avoid throttling the CPU's performance and making your device slow down. When the phone is off, these limitations are relaxed, so your phone may get hotter than it would when charging while on.
These limitations are never turned off, so if the phone detects its temperature is rising to above the predetermined safe levels, it will slow down or stop the charging completely. You have nothing to worry about!'

vendetta17 said:
I asked them by support, thats what i got.
'When the device is on, it has stricter temperature controls in place to avoid throttling the CPU's performance and making your device slow down. When the phone is off, these limitations are relaxed, so your phone may get hotter than it would when charging while on.
These limitations are never turned off, so if the phone detects its temperature is rising to above the predetermined safe levels, it will slow down or stop the charging completely. You have nothing to worry about!'
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It still feels like it's just getting too hot and this can't be good, no matter what Motorola says. Extreme heat is never a good thing for phones, especially long term wise

memocatcher said:
It still feels like it's just getting too hot and this can't be good, no matter what Motorola says. Extreme heat is never a good thing for phones, especially long term wise
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I agree. It seems way too hot at 50%. I imagine that i could cook eggs on it if i would let it run till 100%.Not looking safe at all.

vendetta17 said:
I agree. It seems way too hot at 50%. I imagine that i could cook eggs on it if i would let it run till 100%.Not looking safe at all.
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At motorola forums the support team claims that it's "unexpected". I doubt it is though, since it's actually a few more people experiencing this.
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I have Figured out something about loosing signal

If you battery power goes below 50% thats when the problem starts. Is there away to get the right juice to the radio at all times ?
moyofalaye said:
If you battery power goes below 50% thats when the problem starts. Is there away to get the right juice to the radio at all times ?
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I'm not sure thats actually the case, but perhaps. I may try it.
My battery level has never been below 60% as I am anal about having a charging source near by. The Radio Reset Issue is directly related to certian Programs (or versions thereof) and how they force connections to the internet.
Please anyone reading this. please lets try it out. please post your results back. Lets see if you can still get constant and good signal if your batery is below 50% .
and also if your having battry problems. like your phone sometimes refuses to charge. I think that it could be the battery. please lets all see.
My battery level is currently at a little under 40%. I have a full 5 bars of service and sound quality is the same as if the phone were at 100% (I called my voicemail and a friend to test it out)
kashk5 said:
My battery level is currently at a little under 40%. I have a full 5 bars of service and sound quality is the same as if the phone were at 100% (I called my voicemail and a friend to test it out)
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Thanks for helping
i never had any problems with the signalstrenght and battery health,
even with 10% or less i still have maximum signal strength..
but i live nearby a cellbroadcast-antenna, so maybe that's why
Here's an update. My battery life is at 29% and still no drop in call quality. I just had a 10 minute convo with somebody and she could hear me perfectly fine.
Thanks. From my observations, at least with me, If your loosing signals and you notice it happens when your battery is below 50%, or sometimes when you try to charge your mda and the battery refuses to charge, Then its the battery.
Get a new battery.
Thanks for those that helped.
kyphur said:
My battery level has never been below 60% as I am anal about having a charging source near by. The Radio Reset Issue is directly related to certian Programs (or versions thereof) and how they force connections to the internet.
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Going off the Signal Topic
WONT IT AFFECT BATTERY LIFE?
I mean Li-ion Polymers dont have a memory problems but once in a while u gotta drain them completely.
What u say? Maybe I am wrong
jeasbe said:
kyphur said:
My battery level has never been below 60% as I am anal about having a charging source near by. The Radio Reset Issue is directly related to certian Programs (or versions thereof) and how they force connections to the internet.
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Going off the Signal Topic
WONT IT AFFECT BATTERY LIFE?
I mean Li-ion Polymers dont have a memory problems but once in a while u gotta drain them completely.
What u say? Maybe I am wrong
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Okay I'll admit that there have been 2 times in the 6 months I've have my phone that my battery accidently went flat but otherwise I can count on one hand the number of time it has been below 60%. I've had it off the charger for hours and my battery is just fine. Even had a two hour call once without being plugged-in using my BT headset. Still plenty of juice when I hung-up the call.
Great !
Dont know where But I read it at the P910 Forum somewhere.
A user had his phone charging on the cradle.
The moment he got a call, he picked up to answer that.
The call lasted for barely 5 mins.
After the call he put it back on the Cradle.(for charging)
SINCE THEN he says" the battery went KAPUT !
He says that an expert told him that he should have waited to Recharge the battery a BIT more than 10-15 mins allowing the batt. to cool down a Bit.
If this si the case None of the MANUALS MENTION THIS EVER and these people do Provide warranties too...
Funny.......
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Battery life in offline mode

hello, as anyone tryed how is the battery life on a full charge - on airplane mode?
can we get near a week of usage watch/chrono etc?
thank you
Bluetooth consumes but a fraction of the neergy the watch needs - most of it is needed for display, memory, processor... I don't think you'll see a much improved life in offline mode - maybe just because you won't be getting notifications, but that would still save just a small amount of energy the watch usually needs.
I tested at night with screen Off and airplane mode. It drain 9% in 8hours.
And that is about the same drop I have leaving the watch overnight: connected just the "Always On" on off. As Zvieratko says, very little impact, only the screen is relevant to fast or slow battery consumption.
The battery life sounds disappointing on the LG G Watch R. I really like the watch and want to get it but I want to be able to stretch the battery life to a week so I only need to recharge it once a week.
Right now I'm using Samsung Gear Fit in offline mode, Display Activation on manual, monitoring my steps, only connecting via BT to my Note 4 before bed each night to sync. With its puny 210mAh (vs Watch R's 410mAh) I am able to make it last 7-8days. With BT on all the time, maybe 4 days.
In airplane mode with the display off I get about 1% usage every hour, so I guess it will last about 4 days on a single charge, however I see no point in this mode. I want to be able to look at it at any time so display is always on, and I want to see my notifications, so it's never in airplane mode. It lasts between 1.5 and 2 days like this.
Since I take it off before I go bed anyway I don't see a problem. The charging cradle is nice, it's not like I need to plug a lead into it. Now that would annoy me.
Of course it could be a problem if you are camping - sorry, can't tell you the time, my watch only lasts a day on a full charge.
speckles said:
Of course it could be a problem if you are camping - sorry, can't tell you the time, my watch only lasts a day on a full charge.
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But now we have a lot of USB (tiny) power bank we can charge several time your watch, so you can have it on your bag
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dersie said:
But now we have a lot of USB (tiny) power bank we can charge several time your watch, so you can have it on your bag
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Or considering my watch only has a 400mA battery, it could quite possibly recharge of a solar cell stuck to my back pack

Very high battery drain with 70% CPU usage on idle

Around 3 days ago, my phone has turned from around at least 6 hrs of SoT to around 2-3, even while only leaving it mostly in my pocket. This happened after i factory resetted my phone, for some odd reason. When the CPU usage was usually below 50%, this time it's AT LEAST 70%, often reaching to 100% for no reason. The process "Android System" on the battery usage screen takes up around 40% of my battery drain. I had google assistant at the time, so i thought it was the problem.
I factory resetted my phone again yesterday, and it fixed the problem temporarily. Assistant became now on tap again, and Android system only used up around 8%. But the battery drain just came again when i woke up today.
Does anyone know what CPU process might have been the cause to this problem? Or else I'll just factory reset I guess, but i'm scared it'll happen again and again.
Note: My smartwatch, root, substratum, and KLWP aren't the cause, since last week when I used these things my CPU usage was fine.
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Help pls ;-; phone is really unusable for long periods of time
Edit: Got CPU usage down to around 10% most of the time using this APUS Booster app I found, looks shady and bloatware-y as **** but it works i guess. Have to do it everytime i restart phone though
reflash the rom.
I think the problem is with pocket mode \ proximity detection.
Try this experiment:
Cover prox sensor with one palm and try to unlock using the fingerprint scanner. If pocket mode is on, nothing will happen. Phone won't unlock.
Now shift palm covering the prox sensor slightly away and repeat above. At some distance you will be able to unlock phone.
My hypothesis is that if one keeps phone facing the body, pocket mode may not get activated allowing the fingerprint sensor to keep sensing one's body (capacitive) and the phone won't unlock but every movement will keep on making the FP scanner work heating and draining battery.
This did not happen in 7.0. But 7.1.1 update seems to reduced sensitivity of proximity sensor.
Workaround: keep phone in pocket with screen facing away from ones body.
Hope this works.
The proximity sensor works well enough except* it's clearly constantly draining your battery
I'd just turn it off
I don't have 7.1.1 yet so IDK about how the updates have changed things. It works well on 7.0. but clearly that's going to burn a lot more resources than it's worth

Black screen during charge - no reboot possible

Hi everyone,
I'm coming to you with a random problem which I can't reproduce. Over the 2 past years, I had it about 2 times but I had to wake up at 5 am.....
Here's the explanation :
I'm putting my phone on charge, the alarm (The app AMDroid) is supposed to ring at 5 am but sometimes it doesn't. When i'm finally waking up, I'm finding the phone blocked. Black screen, no sound, no response to physical buttons (volume, power) or fingerprints. I'm forced to reboot it with the volume up + power off keys.
I really don't understand from where comes the problem. I already had when I was using the regular sony alarm app and as I said above I can't reproduce the bug which is kind of embarassing when I have to get up early...
I hope you'll be able to help me,
Thanks !
Bump !
I just had this happen to me this morning, and solved it with the same procedure.
I noticed this morning when I woke up that the device was extremely hot, potentially a temperature failsafe kicked in?
If that were the case, I have no idea what would be causing it. Presumably something has the CPU pegged at max load.
I may try to dig for logs, but I'm not familiar with how to do this on Android.
Hi Telomeres, thanks for your comment !
Two quick questions :
- do you have the fingerprint unlock feature enabled ? (do you have at least one fingerprint recorded)
- si you have the battery maintenance (i don't know the exact name in English) enabled ?
I'm trying to pinpoint the problem, so far i have those only two options..
Skwiizz said:
Hi Telomeres, thanks for your comment !
Two quick questions :
- do you have the fingerprint unlock feature enabled ? (do you have at least one fingerprint recorded)
- si you have the battery maintenance (i don't know the exact name in English) enabled ?
I'm trying to pinpoint the problem, so far i have those only two options..
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I do have the fingerprint unlock enabled, despite being the US. My guess was that I was accidentally shipped an international version somehow? I did not go through any measures to enable this on my own.
If you're talking about "battery care" where the device slows down your charge rate to increase longevity, yes I do have that enabled.
Your information about the battery overheating is making me think about the battery care. I don't have regular schedules so this option activates kinda randomly just like the problem pops out.
I'm asking you that about the fingerprint because i saw a thread where someone said the fingerprint sensor was at fault.
Unfortunatly for us, we both have the same settings hahaha
Actually, on checking my settings Battery Care was disabled and I believe that setting persists through reboots. However, I did not have my phone charging overnight. I don't recall what percent my battery level was before bed.
Damn. So close to find a clue !
Happened again overnight last night.
I had battery care enabled this time.
I really don't understand from where comes the problem ; we both have a totally different setup and ways of use/charge our phones :/
I'm having the same issue...... I'll see if I can get get some logs..... I do use battery care and stock alarm..... Twice in the month of October ive nearly been late for work because my phone locks up, charge light remains amber but is full (no excessive heat) and I have to force reboot
I had the same kind of lockup like 5 times now in the last two month. Last lockup was tonight with the September security update.
This happened to my phone twice recently, but my phone was NOT charging.
Last time it happened, I went to bed before midnight, my phone was at about 70% battery, so I decided not to plug it in. I put the phone on a shelf beside my bed and fell asleep.
When I woke up in the morning (I don't use phone alarm, rely on my smartwatch for that), the phone was unresponsive, black screen, needed to long press VolUp + Power buttons to reset it. I'm not sure when I plugged it in - before or after the reset, but the battery was basically flat. I took a screenshot of the battery chart that morning, which seems to tell that the phone has been dead for most of the night. As you can see in the screenshot, the battery line is natural until after midnight and then it's just a straight flat line until the morning. This leads me to think maybe it's a battery problem?
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Question High battery usage? Even when I'm sleeping?

The device is new, has only 2 weeks of use and I've updated it to MiUi 12.5.6 (RKLEUXM). My use is very moderate, some videos, social network just for conversations and only wi-fi connection. After the update, I noticed high battery usage even when I'm sleeping with all connections turned off. Obviously there is some battery thief, but it only appears in the graph as "smartphone services", this is not normal. Any idea?
I can even feel the phone a little warm around the cameras when I'm using it for basic stuff.
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Try battery guru's app...
It's seem a 12.5 MIUI problem for all Xiaomi note 10 series
Something(s) are running in the background.
Try putting into Safe mode at night to rule out 3rd party apps.
Track down the culprits and deal with each on a case by case basis.
I have this device since August 27th, after setting it up, I started optimizing it, restricted background use for a lot of apps, well, everything that could be disabled or restricted, I only gave free pass to apps I consider important, but, the reults were really bad, 17% of overnight drain! Long story short, the optimization must be done very carefully, trying to stop all kind of things might prove negative, by trial and error, I now get a good battery life, now it barely consumes 1% in 8-9 hrs idling at night, aod off, wifi on, gps on, so, try to optimize your device carefully
winoles said:
I have this device since August 27th, after setting it up, I started optimizing it, restricted background use for a lot of apps, well, everything that could be disabled or restricted, I only gave free pass to apps I consider important, but, the reults were really bad, 17% of overnight drain! Long story short, the optimization must be done very carefully, trying to stop all kind of things might prove negative, by trial and error, I now get a good battery life, now it barely consumes 1% in 8-9 hrs idling at night, aod off, wifi on, gps on, so, try to optimize your device carefully
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Hi,
Did you single out what was the culrpit. I have disabled every non essential app, tried this solution: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/improving-battery-life-on-miui-12.4139913/
But nothing helps. It only shows that android system is drawing power.
I will be glad if you could point what you made to fix your phone
If there is any Firewall that can log with the newer "secure" OS's you can use that to help pinpoint the rogue apk(s).
With Pie I use Karma Firewall but it's logging feature doesn't starting with 10.
After doing everything I could think of, the AOD seems to be the culprit, even thoug I really like it, when disabling it, overnight battery consumption lowered to 1% in a 7 hrs period
winoles said:
After doing everything I could think of, the AOD seems to be the culprit, even thoug I really like it, when disabling it, overnight battery consumption lowered to 1% in a 7 hrs period
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Thank you for the fast reply. I already had it disabled, but with no positive result.
Thank you, nonetheless.
winoles said:
After doing everything I could think of, the AOD seems to be the culprit, even thoug I really like it, when disabling it, overnight battery consumption lowered to 1% in a 7 hrs period
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Is tap on an option?
No, to achieve this low bat comsuption, I disabled miui optimizations, then, the option for aod is on or off, no more settings, I really like the aod, but the drain while idling drives me nuts... I painfully miss my galaxy note 10+.....
Meh, I hear that. It's to the point I got a second new 10+ while they're still available. They are the last of the stock devices running on Q.
I won't touch 11 or 12. Funny thing is it doesn't run like an outdated dinosaur.
Been a real bad year for Android...
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