Hello!
I'm currently stationed in Singapore and bought a Moto X about a month or so ago from eBay. While I am anxiously waiting for my Moto X to receive the 4.4 update, I realised that the system version (after the previous camera update) is 139.12.35.ghost_row.AmericaMovil.en.PR, which I found to be a Latin America version after some searching on the forums and Googling here and there.
I also found this thread, where OP said that they can be flashed over to either the T-Mobile version. Does this continue to work for the 4.4 updates by T-Mobile or AT&T, and would there be anything else required for flashing? (I saw something about flashing new radios and all, but was quite confused by contradicting explanations and suggestions :/)
Thanks in advance!
// EDIT:
To add on after a bit of searching, I realised that I am allowed to unlock my bootloader, despite claims from the original retailer on eBay that the phone came from AT&T (which is notorious, even here, for their stance on bootloader unlocking). What gives?
I got the same Moto X from a buddy yesterday. I did a lot of searching and also discovered the thread about the phone being flashed to t- mobile.
I fooled the steps on another thread titled " Return to stock 100%" out something like that...
I downloaded the correct Att firmware and with the use of RSDLite, I successfully flashed my Moto X to ATT.... it took less than 10 minutes. And as soon as it booted up, I got hit with the "update available" message ( kit Kat)
Sent from my XT1058 using Tapatalk
Thanks for the information!
I've successfully upgraded my phone to the Verizon version (minus all the bloatware that I hastily blasted off), with root and TWRP. So this is what I did, for future reference:
It seems that AmericaMovil versions are not bound by the AT&T's locked bootloader policies, and other Latin America versions are probably free from the restriction too. So I managed to get my hands on the Motorola Fastboot and unlocked my bootloader. TWRP was installed (remember to use 2.6.3.1 and above for 4.4 support), and then flashed the Verizon system dump available here. Root was installed by TWRP.
After getting on the device and setting things up, I rebooted to recovery to remove lots of bloatware (available in /system/app and /system/priv-app). Had to remove some of them through Titanium Backup as the file names were not always indicative that it came from Verizon. I made the extra step of killing the god-awful boot animation that they had by replacing it with this.
And... that concludes my experience with this, I suppose.
I've been looking through a few threads and I am not comfortable enough to flash the T-Mobile rom over my AmericanMovil one yet.
I can't seem to find step by step instructions on how to do this.. Would anyone like to explain it from the ground up?
My understanding
1) unlock bootloader
2) flash a recovery like twrp or cmw
3) flash the rom that is given in the OG post here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2477180
4) this should now give us the t-mobile version of things and we should be able to do the standard OTA from there?
[Q] So can this all be done without ever having to root the phone?
alternetconcept said:
I've been looking through a few threads and I am not comfortable enough to flash the T-Mobile rom over my AmericanMovil one yet.
I can't seem to find step by step instructions on how to do this.. Would anyone like to explain it from the ground up?
My understanding
1) unlock bootloader
2) flash a recovery like twrp or cmw
3) flash the rom that is given in the OG post here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2477180
4) this should now give us the t-mobile version of things and we should be able to do the standard OTA from there?
[Q] So can this all be done without ever having to root the phone?
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I'm not too sure whether flashing via TWRP/CMW will allow you to get OTA, unfortunately. Which is why I went straight for the Verizon system dump. But yes, you can change firmware without ever having to root the phone. Heck, I think there's a guide on restoring mentioned by @plmiller0905 below that will allow you to do it without unlocking the bootloader, even.
RagnaParadise said:
I'm not too sure whether flashing via TWRP/CMW will allow you to get OTA, unfortunately. Which is why I went straight for the Verizon system dump. But yes, you can change firmware without ever having to root the phone. Heck, I think there's a guide on restoring mentioned by @plmiller0905 below that will allow you to do it without unlocking the bootloader, even.
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I believe the bootloader does have to be unlocked in order to flash a different firmware.
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RagnaParadise said:
I'm not too sure whether flashing via TWRP/CMW will allow you to get OTA, unfortunately. Which is why I went straight for the Verizon system dump. But yes, you can change firmware without ever having to root the phone. Heck, I think there's a guide on restoring mentioned by @plmiller0905 below that will allow you to do it without unlocking the bootloader, even.
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Yeah after doing so more reading.. (at least the way I'm willing to do it) is to just unlock my bootloader and then using RSD Lite (Which i still have no idea what that is / where it is) flash an SBF found here (http://sbf.droid-developers.org/ghost_rcica/list.php)
I guess following this video somewhat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr0JHSAXJDI#t=15
Does that sound right?
Should I flash the TMO_RETAIL_XT1053_4.2.2-13.9.0Q2.X-116-X-17-57_MR1_CFC.xml.zip
Or just jump straight to the 4.4 version TMO_RETAIL_XT1053_4.4-13.11.1Q2.X-69-3_MR2_CFC.xml.zip
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As far as I know, the use of RSD Lite doesn't require an unlocked bootloader (at least, that's what it shows in the video you showed me anyway), especially since these are images supposedly signed by Motorola themselves. Let me know if you've found something else?
As for your question on which to flash... I'm not sure, but you'd skip a lot of the hassle if you could flash 4.4 straight, so how about trying that?
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As far as I know, the use of RSD Lite doesn't require an unlocked bootloader (at least, that's what it shows in the video you showed me anyway), especially since these are images supposedly signed by Motorola themselves. Let me know if you've found something else?
As for your question on which to flash... I'm not sure, but you'd skip a lot of the hassle if you could flash 4.4 straight, so how about trying that?
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Rsdlite is a shell for a flash boot flash supposedly with an XML doing all the steps together. Just makes it easier.
You need unlocked boot loader only to flash an image that doesn't match your current boot loader. So if you have a. At&t phone you can only flash at&t images by rsdlite. But if you unlock your amerimovil phone you can flash any xt1058 image I think. So amerimovil could take say a rogers or at&t or telcel image. Not sure if T-Mobile image will work on a full rsdlite flash as it is an xt1053 image. I think you can flash most of a T-Mobile image by twrp but not by rsdlite not sure
sleepyguy007 said:
Rsdlite is a shell for a flash boot flash supposedly with an XML doing all the steps together. Just makes it easier.
You need unlocked boot loader only to flash an image that doesn't match your current boot loader. So if you have a. At&t phone you can only flash at&t images by rsdlite. But if you unlock your amerimovil phone you can flash any xt1058 image I think. So amerimovil could take say a rogers or at&t or telcel image. Not sure if T-Mobile image will work on a full rsdlite flash as it is an xt1053 image. I think you can flash most of a T-Mobile image by twrp but not by rsdlite not sure
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So if I flash the at&t image found here (http://sbf.droid-developers.org/ghost_rcica/list.php), would it come pre-loaded with all the bloatware AT&T has even though I'm not using AT&T network?
alternetconcept said:
So if I flash the at&t image found here (http://sbf.droid-developers.org/ghost_rcica/list.php), would it come pre-loaded with all the bloatware AT&T has even though I'm not using AT&T network?
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yes of course. think about it like if you took a dell windows 7 install CD , and put it on an HP. all the dell customizations would still be there.
obviously since you have unlocked bootloader, once you do the RSDlite you can always flash twrp, and superuser, and delete all that stuff. but then you wouldn't get updates again. i dont think the at&t image is really THAT bad. though i've heard the rogers one is better (though maybe not 4.4 yet)
sleepyguy007 said:
yes of course. think about it like if you took a dell windows 7 install CD , and put it on an HP. all the dell customizations would still be there.
obviously since you have unlocked bootloader, once you do the RSDlite you can always flash twrp, and superuser, and delete all that stuff. but then you wouldn't get updates again. i dont think the at&t image is really THAT bad. though i've heard the rogers one is better (though maybe not 4.4 yet)
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Yeah unfortunately that's what I thought. Hence why I would of liked to flash the t-mobile image but I'm going to hold off until someone that is a bit more adb savvy then myself tries it out. I wouldn't know what to do if I ended up soft bricking my phone
Well it didn't take long to try it out myself...
It worked out!
I used this thread here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2446515
I downloaded the Tmobile 4.4 Image and used RSD.
All you have to do is unlock your BL. (Note: I was completely bone stock with NO root and NO special recovery like CMW or TWRP)
Have all the proper drivers installed, enable USB debugging in developer settings on the phone
Go into Fastboot on the phone
Plug in the phone and just follow the video
I do not take any responsibitliy if you brick your phone. It is fairly easy process and took only a few mins.
Hope this helps!
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alternetconcept said:
I've been looking through a few threads and I am not comfortable enough to flash the T-Mobile rom over my AmericanMovil one yet.
I can't seem to find step by step instructions on how to do this.. Would anyone like to explain it from the ground up?
My understanding
1) unlock bootloader
2) flash a recovery like twrp or cmw
3) flash the rom that is given in the OG post here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2477180
4) this should now give us the t-mobile version of things and we should be able to do the standard OTA from there?
[Q] So can this all be done without ever having to root the phone?
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I've been doing some research on this since yesterday and I've been hesitant on doing it. I saw in your last post that you successfully flashed the TMO 4.4 ROM on your AmericaMovil phone, so I have a few questions for you before I go ahead and do the same:
1. Can you please confirm that your model is XT1058 and not XT1053?
2. Does the TMO ROM have the TMO boot logo and any TMO bloatware?
3. Does the TMO ROM have the Tethering & portable hotspot option under Settings > More?
4. Does the TMO ROM have the Mass Storage option under Settings > Storage > | > USB computer connection?
5. Have you been having any radio problems since you flashed the TMO ROM?
I wonder if I install the ROM in here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2477180 using RSDLite, would I get the OTA update to 4.4? The reason I want to install this ROM is because it only flashes system and boot.img without flashing bootloader, modem, logo etc... and I know the XT1058 radio is different from the XT1053 radio, so I've been reluctant to flash a full XT1053 ROM on my XT1058 phone.
But what I also would like to know is if an OTA update would flash a full ROM or not. In other words, if I flash the ROM above and then OTA update to 4.4 and the OTA update flashes the full ROM including the radio, I might as well flash the full 4.4 immediately.
What do you or anyone else think?
I'll answer to the best of my ability. heh
mschumacher69 said:
1. Can you please confirm that your model is XT1058 and not XT1053?
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Mine was an XT1058, and has been flashed to XT1060. (I didn't notice that T-Mo had a 4.4 ROM on the list, so I went straight for the flashable ZIP for Verizon instead. silly me.)
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2. Does the TMO ROM have the TMO boot logo and any TMO bloatware?
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At least according to this article, the TMO version shouldn't have any bloatware.
mschumacher69 said:
4. Does the TMO ROM have the Mass Storage option under Settings > Storage > | > USB computer connection?
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There's no reason why there shouldn't be; I'm seeing it on my Verizon version.
mschumacher69 said:
5. Have you been having any radio problems since you flashed the TMO ROM?
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I can't say for sure if you'll face any problems, but I flashed the T-Mo radio provided here with my Verizon ROM, and I had no problems connecting to my network in Singapore.
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I can't answer the rest unfortunately. Sorry. Hope I've helped.
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I can't answer the rest unfortunately. Sorry. Hope I've helped.
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Thank you for your answers!
Regarding Mass Storage, the reason I'm asking is because I don't have it on my AmericaMovil ROM.
The ROM is basically exactly what you get when you buy the T-Mobile version.
I figured the radios are nearly identical from the AT&T version and the T-Mobile version so my XT1058 is running on the XT1053 radios. There is no bloatware. tethering is there but I'm not sure if t-mobile will allow it. There is NO tmobile logo that comes up on boot. USB connect to computer is there.
As for the radio section again.. I was getting only EDGE in my house before I switched to this ROM (Meaning when I was on the ORIGINAL XT1058 image) and I am still getting only EDGE in my house.. Unfortunately I haven't left my house since yesterday flashing the image but when I'll be back at work in NYC and should see '4G/LTE' over there.
We'll see.
alternetconcept said:
The ROM is basically exactly what you get when you buy the T-Mobile version.
I figured the radios are nearly identical from the AT&T version and the T-Mobile version so my XT1058 is running on the XT1053 radios. There is no bloatware. tethering is there but I'm not sure if t-mobile will allow it. There is NO tmobile logo that comes up on boot. USB connect to computer is there.
As for the radio section again.. I was getting only EDGE in my house before I switched to this ROM (Meaning when I was on the ORIGINAL XT1058 image) and I am still getting only EDGE in my house.. Unfortunately I haven't left my house since yesterday flashing the image but when I'll be back at work in NYC and should see '4G/LTE' over there.
We'll see.
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Thanks for ur reply! Which network are you on right now?
mschumacher69 said:
Thanks for ur reply! Which network are you on right now?
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I've always been on T-mobile network. Both when i was on original XT1058 AmericanMovil system version and still on T-mobile when I switched the image to XT1053.
Back on my Nexus 4 though.. I would have HSPA+ in my house.. So I thought it was a bit odd that as soon as I received this phone that I wasn't getting anything other than EDGE..
I wonder if it is possible to install the T-Mobile or Sprint version of 5.1.1 on my regular provider-free Nexus 6.
When flashing a new firmware I usually extract a factory image and only flash boot.img and system.img so I don't lose my data and apps. If the T-Mobile version is only a matter of a different radio/baseband I could flash it because I won't flash the radio but keep the old one.
Any ideas if this is possible?
Travelawyer said:
I wonder if it is possible to install the T-Mobile or Sprint version of 5.1.1 on my regular provider-free Nexus 6.
When flashing a new firmware I usually extract a factory image and only flash boot.img and system.img so I don't lose my data and apps. If the T-Mobile version is only a matter of a different radio/baseband I could flash it because I won't flash the radio but keep the old one.
Any ideas if this is possible?
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I have flashed both builds on my Nexus 6 purchased from Motorola and they both worked fine. I use Verizon.
The update is more than just a new radio. It's an entirely new android version update to 5.1.1. The Sprint build's radio and the T-Mobile build's radio are both different though.
patmw123 said:
I have flashed both builds on my Nexus 6 purchased from Motorola and they both worked fine. I use Verizon.
The update is more than just a new radio. It's an entirely new android version update to 5.1.1. The Sprint build's radio and the T-Mobile build's radio are both different though.
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Thanks. I know it's more than just a new radio. I just was not sure if the 5.1.1-versions only differ from each other by using a different radio but boot.img and system.img are all the same on all those 5.1.1 Nexus 6 versions.
The kernels are different. System.img as well as the radios are also different. The only similarities I can see between the two besides the Android version is that they both use the same bootloader version.
patmw123 said:
The kernels are different. System.img as well as the radios are also different. The only similarities I can see between the two besides the Android version is that they both use the same bootloader version.
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Oops. Then I better wait on the general factory image which should be here any time soon.
I used the twrp recovery flashable zips to upgrade from the I build to the 5.1.1 T-Mobile and from that to the sprint 5.1.1 .on the sprint build phone app would fc every 2 seconds and phone was unusable. Just throwing that out there. I'm gonna format and flash again. Forgot to mention on vzw
I'm on ATT running the T-Mobile build LMY47M, I've always been on ATT I just did the swapped Sim card to trick it into the 5.1 update.
So my first question is, have I been taking off the ATT update path now?
If yes, do I need to load the factory LMY47Z in order to get to 5.1.1 or wait for an ATT OTA image?
Thanks for all your help.
choclab said:
I'm on ATT running the T-Mobile build LMY47M, I've always been on ATT I just did the swapped Sim card to trick it into the 5.1 update.
So my first question is, have I been taking off the ATT update path now?
If yes, do I need to load the factory LMY47Z in order to get to 5.1.1 or wait for an ATT OTA image?
Thanks for all your help.
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There is already a Factory Image for 5.1.1 of both AT&T and T-Mobile. You can flash your AT&T Factory image to return to Stock 5.1.1.
I haven't seen an ATT factory image. On the google developers site it has a 47Z for sprint and USC, and a 28E for T-Mobile.
choclab said:
I haven't seen an ATT factory image. On the google developers site it has a 47Z for sprint and USC, and a 28E for T-Mobile.
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AT&T is receiving the Z build.
choclab said:
I haven't seen an ATT factory image. On the google developers site it has a 47Z for sprint and USC, and a 28E for T-Mobile.
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Oh am sorry, got confused between Sprint and ATT. The Sprint (7Z) version is International image so I am pretty sure that would be fine to flash. I am not sure how the carrier OTA would differ much from the International version since I don't use Sprint or ATT.
OK thanks. Do you think being on the M build takes me out of the ATT OTA loop?
Otherwise I was going to try wugfresh to flash the Z build.
choclab said:
OK thanks. Do you think being on the M build takes me out of the ATT OTA loop?
Otherwise I was going to try wugfresh to flash the Z build.
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If you check the OTA url thread, you see that Z comes from D, E and I but not M.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2906493
OK thank you, I'll flash Z tonight then.
Hello all, I am an AT&T nexus 6 user. I am unlocked and rooted. I of course tried the OTA, didn't expect it to work since I'm rooted and it of course didn't work. I checked the factory images and there are only sprint and T-mobile versions of the 5.1.1. My question is can I flash the T-mobile version and have a functioning device? I'm sick of this system notification showing up every day telling me that I need to update. Thanks for the heads up
TheEmpyre said:
Hello all, I am an AT&T nexus 6 user. I am unlocked and rooted. I of course tried the OTA, didn't expect it to work since I'm rooted and it of course didn't work. I checked the factory images and there are only sprint and T-mobile versions of the 5.1.1. My question is can I flash the T-mobile version and have a functioning device? I'm sick of this system notification showing up every day telling me that I need to update. Thanks for the heads up
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You can flash anyone you like. They'll all work with various results. AT&T users, however, are getting LMY47Z as an OTA. Ignore Google's labels.
Evolution_Tech said:
You can flash anyone you like. They'll all work with various results. AT&T users, however, are getting LMY47Z as an OTA. Ignore Google's labels.
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Hell Ya, thanks for the response so fast. Gonna get flashing
Evolution_Tech said:
You can flash anyone you like. They'll all work with various results. AT&T users, however, are getting LMY47Z as an OTA. Ignore Google's labels.
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Google finally changed the image label to "5.1.1 (All carriers except T-Mobile US) (LMY47Z)".
The other day I bought a nexus 6 used and didn't know what carrier it was from.. Well I dug around in the settings and found out that it was Verizon. The phone worked fine with my T-Mobile sim just like it should but when I tried flashing 5.1.1 Verizon build lmy48i it just would not flash right... It would just bootloop and nexus root toolkit said everything failed to flash but the bootloader. But I tried again after taking the sim out and it worked first try. Everything is okay, but why does a sim make so much of a difference? Should I be flashing T-Mobile img's?
dude_itsdevon1 said:
The other day I bought a nexus 6 used and didn't know what carrier it was from.. Well I dug around in the settings and found out that it was Verizon. The phone worked fine with my T-Mobile sim just like it should but when I tried flashing 5.1.1 Verizon build lmy48i it just would not flash right... It would just bootloop and nexus root toolkit said everything failed to flash but the bootloader. But I tried again after taking the sim out and it worked first try. Everything is okay, but why does a sim make so much of a difference? Should I be flashing T-Mobile img's?
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First, you shouldn't use toolkits unless you already know how to use fastboot.
Second, use fastboot and flash the latest T-Mobile factory image if you're using your device on T-Mobile.
Follow method #2 from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/guide-flash-factory-images-nexus-6shamu-t2954008
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First, you shouldn't use toolkits unless you already know how to use fastboot.
Second, use fastboot and flash the latest T-Mobile factory image if you're using your device on T-Mobile.
Follow method #2 from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/guide-flash-factory-images-nexus-6shamu-t2954008
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Thanks for the super quick reply, I am familiar with fasboot and doing it manually but I'm lazy that's all. It just makes it so simple. thanks for letting me know which image to use. I just had to set up the apn settings to get my data to work right. Will I get otas if I flash the T-Mobile factory image and use their service?
dude_itsdevon1 said:
Thanks for the super quick reply, I am familiar with fasboot and doing it manually but I'm lazy that's all. It just makes it so simple. thanks for letting me know which image to use. I just had to set up the apn settings to get my data to work right. Will I get otas if I flash the T-Mobile factory image and use their service?
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As long as you're 100% stock and using a T-Mobile sim, you'll be able to get and install T-Mobile OTA's.
LMY48I is not a T-Mobile version. You want LYZ28E or LYZ28J.