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Milestone ram management is horrible?

Im on got 2.2 but this happened to me with 2.1 too, is really annoying, multitasking is not executed well, my programs keep closing :/ 70-80% of the times i press the home button while im playing music+using the browser+using trillian or behive launcher pro loads the whole homescreen and widgets :/ , if switch to the browser, it reloads the websites or loads the homepage , am i doing something wrong?
i tought 256 mb wasnt that horrible for a smartphone

i blame android.
i was ok with my phone til the last week. i got an ipod touch 4g. 256mb only on that one and people complained it was a neutered iphone but damn it smokes my milestone in day to day tasks. granted it can't make a call, but im pretty pissed that android still lacks the optimization we need.

Chad_Petree said:
Im on got 2.2 but this happened to me with 2.1 too, is really annoying, multitasking is not executed well, my programs keep closing :/ 70-80% of the times i press the home button while im playing music+using the browser+using trillian or behive launcher pro loads the whole homescreen and widgets :/ , if switch to the browser, it reloads the websites or loads the homepage , am i doing something wrong?
i tought 256 mb wasnt that horrible for a smartphone
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Same thing happened to me on 2.2 but on 2.1 it runs very smooth... Try "Keep in memory" setting from Launcher Pro --> Preferences

is there any method to optimize the ram usage of android. i thought that a milestone is better then iphone, i still think it is,but if the android system dont get better, iphone will smoke all of us in the pipe.
the first thing i noticed when i holded my milestone in my hands was, damn is it fast and brilliant, better then the iphone, the same day i started modding and overclocking and things like that. i gave him a little too much vsel, .... and since then i think it has gotten slower :/ , maybe some of you had the same expirience

Guys, please consider the fact, that google has to optimize their OS for different smartphone setups from different manufacturers ... the iOS featured in the iPhone and iPod Touch has been completely optimized on their hardware, since iOS isnt featured outside the apple family of handhelds. Because of this, the optimisation and integration is WAY more comfortable, Google has a ****load of work to do to consider the many different phones besides their nexus one.
give it time guys. MIUI handles the memory management already pretty good, runs way more responsive that stock android.

It's problem of the apps and widget you are using, download a app call system pannel, you will find out many apps and widget take up so many ram.
and 2.2 got leak have a problem which make the launcher redraw so often.
for launcher pro, there is an options to keep it in memory.

vladstercr said:
Same thing happened to me on 2.2 but on 2.1 it runs very smooth... Try "Keep in memory" setting from Launcher Pro --> Preferences
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i just checked that option, it says its experimental tough , theres a couple of exta ptins:
memory usage preset: high,mediu,moderate,low...
homescreen cache type: normal compressed,light
Should i mess with this setings too?

Try4Ce said:
Guys, please consider the fact, that google has to optimize their OS for different smartphone setups from different manufacturers ... the iOS featured in the iPhone and iPod Touch has been completely optimized on their hardware, since iOS isnt featured outside the apple family of handhelds. Because of this, the optimisation and integration is WAY more comfortable, Google has a ****load of work to do to consider the many different phones besides their nexus one.
give it time guys. MIUI handles the memory management already pretty good, runs way more responsive that stock android.
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piss poor excuse. there's not much rocket science going into optimizing a homescreen smoothness.
The A4 chip the iPhone 4 uses is more similar to a Samsung Hummingbird.
The OMAP chip the 3GS uses is similar to the one we have in the Droid/Milestone.
The old ARM11 chips in the 2G/3G/iPod Touch 1g/2G/3g 8gb is different too.
The fact is Apple has accounted for 3 types of CPUs and while they are all ARM architecture, it's similar to the fact we have Qualcomm, TI, and Samsung CPUs floating around. Even Google's own Nexus One is piss poor smooth on the homescreen.
Granted here at XDA we've already ROMed the hell out of our phones, but the fact that I'm still ashamed when I whip out my Milestone just to show my friends Facebook, and they ALWAYS comment on how choppy it is despite my 1100mhz overclock or whatever. I'll even reboot just before hanging out with them just in case I need to do some stuff. Android is just too freaking slow.

i am using cronos froyo 1.5 and i must say i am suprised, it is a good rom, fast and stabil,and trust me i testes many roms, maybe all?
so is there a way of modifing a rom (maybe cronos) to get rid of all the services that are not needed for a normal user? maybe it would be more ram available this way... aint it?

I think that 256 mb ram are enough. Try eclair mod v0.3b. It is very fast and i get about 110mb free ram. I use Advanced task killer and Estrong task manager. I have them both on my homescreen and when i tap them both I get 110mb ram free.

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the task killer is an option i dont want to use, because android should manage that him self, but maybe tere are some services that are not needed, so we can delete them, and make a slim rom. do someone know what services are not needed, and how we can wipe them?

Granted here at XDA we've already ROMed the hell out of our phones, but the fact that I'm still ashamed when I whip out my Milestone just to show my friends Facebook, and they ALWAYS comment on how choppy it is despite my 1100mhz overclock or whatever. I'll even reboot just before hanging out with them just in case I need to do some stuff. Android is just too freaking slow.
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Ha ha I have to do that exact same thing, so embarrassing as it always happens just after I've sung praises for Android!

Yriel40k said:
I think that 256 mb ram are enough. Try eclair mod v0.3b. It is very fast and i get about 110mb free ram. I use Advanced task killer and Estrong task manager. I have them both on my homescreen and when i tap them both I get 110mb ram free.
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On milestone? Don't believe it. Pleas post some screenshots so I can be amazed

As Milestone has really terrible hardware spec (cpu, ram, flash) I am still hoping someone would start to build ultra-lite version of the android without any non-essential services running, applications on flash, launchers, wallpapers, etc.
Regarding the multitasking - yes when I try to open second app I am holding my breath whether the first one will get killed or will survive

IMO it was depend on which rom u were used.

Try live home for launcher its pretty fast and handles multitasking
Sent from my Milestone using XDA App

Do you use any weather and clock widgets-if yes there is a option called refresh when home is pressed you disable it and your screen would come alive much faster.
Sent from my Milestone using XDA App

I have never be success on milestone, always restarting

I would say it probably more have to do with Motorola for not taking the effort to optimize Android's software for the Milestone, my friend X8 is smoother than mine despite having only 168MB(!) of RAM and he used live wallpapers too. 2.2 also for some reason seems to be very sluggish as compared to 2.1/2.3
Anyway I also believe that because of our higher resolution screen (854 x 480), more RAM is needed as more resource is needed for greater resolution and phones usually reserved more RAM (slightly) for connectivity purposes (cell tower) which lead to a "shortage" of free RAM on our milestone.
Though no doubt, I would say iOS have a slightly better memory management than Android but Android is not that bad given that the Nexus One prior to 2.2/2.3, the amount of RAM available for them is 40mb less than Milestone due to a bug but it still flies. Shows alot that effort to optimize by the OEMs matter more rather than Android itself.

42k antutu after removing Samsung apps.

Hi in not sure what's going on but after I removed all Samsung apps including S health and voice my phone is super snap and fast as hell also I went from 32k - 34k on antutu to 41895.
Is this normal and I just found out?
Even Facebook takes half the time to load than before and some shatter in San andreas gta is removed. Also I get the highest gpu score in antutu that exists even by phones with almost 43k antutu.
I hope I didn't meshed up anything and my phone dies... But what damage could I have done by just removing apps and services?
Good thing is I have them all at the app master recycle bin.

I think you updated to Antutu 5 the scores are different from the previous version 4 that is why.

Mafiatounes said:
I think you updated to Antutu 5 the scores are different from the previous version 4 that is why.
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You are right I thought that I did something and I might burn my phone.
At least removing all those apps it is very fast.

thunderc8 said:
You are right I thought that I did something and I might burn my phone.
At least removing all those apps it is very fast.
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Could you make a list with all the apps you have removed? And how? Just by deleting the APK or ?

Gertlily said:
Could you make a list with all the apps you have removed? And how? Just by deleting the APK or ?
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Just freeze the apps/widgets you don`t need with Titanium Backup or use the debloat script from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/development/mod-smart-debloater-t2802034. Make a nandroid backup first though.

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Could you make a list with all the apps you have removed? And how? Just by deleting the APK or ?
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ok I will make a list of all the apps,I used app master to uninstall them, but I used the recycle bin so I can reinstall them if needed.
you will notice a huge smoothness and fast response.

Gertlily said:
Could you make a list with all the apps you have removed? And how? Just by deleting the APK or ?
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Ok so here it is, first I uninstalled all the google apps except play store and YouTube because I don't use anything else.
And klms agent,s voice, Knox Dar, Knox notification manager, Knox, baby cry detection, Knox setup wizard client,s health service,s health, ant hall service,ant+ plugin service,ant radio service,s finder, Samsung convert to speech mechanism, geo news, my magazine, Samsung apps, chat on, flip board, google music, google search, Polaris office, hang outs,g mail , play games, drive, google convert to text, google+, kids operation and google play movies.
That's allot haha but after some time a find out that I don't use them.

Touchwizz is good but so slow next to pac rom ^^
Look my screenshots, just scored 45 000.

That's great! but does the Pac rom do any kind of overclock or it does better management?

I set my CPU frequency at 2764 Ghz so it's overclocked. Same for my GPU. It's an aosp rom, I think the better smoothness is due to small use of background apk's.
More ram, OC and KT kernel can justify that score but it work so great, without OC too.. I think TW debloated and PAC (who need optimize again) are now similar

thunderc8 said:
Ok so here it is, first I uninstalled all the google apps except play store and YouTube because I don't use anything else.
And klms agent,s voice, Knox Dar, Knox notification manager, Knox, baby cry detection, Knox setup wizard client,s health service,s health, ant hall service,ant+ plugin service,ant radio service,s finder, Samsung convert to speech mechanism, geo news, my magazine, Samsung apps, chat on, flip board, google music, google search, Polaris office, hang outs,g mail , play games, drive, google convert to text, google+, kids operation and google play movies.
That's allot haha but after some time a find out that I don't use them.
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Hi,
Thanks for the list, indeed it's quite a lot. But if you don't use em and they work. Why not?
I see a difference in speed after removing some of the apps. I can't remove all the apps from Google because I use them for my personal and business life. But with Samsung Apps gone it is a full difference..
Thanks!

yes it makes a difference because Samsung apps always run in the background even if you don't see them, and if you install tiraniun to freeze them you still have titanium to run and keep them stopped.
now the phone is faster.

thunderc8 said:
Hi in not sure what's going on but after I removed all Samsung apps including S health and voice my phone is super snap and fast as hell also I went from 32k - 34k on antutu to 41895.
Is this normal and I just found out?
Even Facebook takes half the time to load than before and some shatter in San andreas gta is removed. Also I get the highest gpu score in antutu that exists even by phones with almost 43k antutu.
I hope I didn't meshed up anything and my phone dies... But what damage could I have done by just removing apps and services?
Good thing is I have them all at the app master recycle bin.
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I have most of the samsung aps installed on my phone and i am getting speeds that average between 40,000 and 42600 in Antutu. My kernel is Ktnoonz and I do not over clock - I don't think the samsung apps have had any impact on benchmarks scores for me - maybe they do for you - but it hasn't effected my phone's performace at all as far as I can tell...

it's not that much for the antutu since we mention before that it's probably the switch from 4 to 5 antutu but it's the speed increase and performance in real life use.

Im getting 43.500 with all samsung apps. (exynos octa)

I'm getting over 44000 with cm11...

Please why don't you buy a 2009 Nokia stead?

thunderc8 said:
yes it makes a difference because Samsung apps always run in the background even if you don't see them, and if you install tiraniun to freeze them you still have titanium to run and keep them stopped.
now the phone is faster.
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True i just ran a benchmark of 43786

Exciting. Benchmarks on a cell phone. About as useful as revving your engine at a red light.

Got this earlier today running cm11 with kt kernel @300-2764 MHz

[Q] Low results on AnTuTu Benchmark

Today I got the s6 edge and I just ran the AnTuTu Benchmark but I am getting 46000 on 4 bit mode and 41000 on 32 bit.
What could be happening??
Do I need to disable at&t blow are to get full performance?? If so. What apps are safe to disable
??

Ok I finally decided to disable a lot of at&t trash and some Google Apps that I never use like Google music and Google+ including many others. And then restarted the phone and ran AnTuTu and I got 61000 aprox. Maybe I could get more but I already installed my backed up apps like Facebook Dropbox and a lot of stuff (more than 100 apps according to Google play)
So I will leave this here if someone goes thru the same problem. Thanks.

chekole said:
Today I got the s6 edge and I just ran the AnTuTu Benchmark but I am getting 46000 on 4 bit mode and 41000 on 32 bit.
What could be happening??
Do I need to disable at&t blow are to get full performance?? If so. What apps are safe to disable
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I ran it and got 67689 and i have Google music and G+ enabled still with lots of apps installed

If we could root it and remove all the pre-installed crap, the phone would 1000x faster.

Gear VR -Let's team up and support ourselves for VR performance

Im starting this thread for discussions around how to get the most out of using a Note 4 and Samsung Gear VR..
I, like many, decided not to jump on new phone models that Samsung tried to limit their Gear VR to, in order for marketing purposes. They realized removing removable battery and SD card slot, IR , was a bad marketing decision far after many screamed / yelled about the idea and also purposely dropped Note 4 support.
Let's come up with ideas for improving performance, extend the time before over heating and software conflicts. :good:
Discussions about most effective Kernel , overclock/under clock settings, app conflicts, improve performance / reduce over heating, etc..
I'll start by saying I have noticed a major improvement in functionality and performance over the last 3-4 months since they finally improved and cleaned up the Android Oculus code some.
My current Specs/config;
TEKXodus N4 URv7 Elite Edition Rom Android 5.1.1, Emotion r23- on T-mobile -Samsung Galaxy Note 4 ( SM-N910T3 )
Overclocking w/ profiles using Kernel Auditor , extra heat sink mod attempt using Heatsink compound, Aluminum foil and minimal tape. (will post this w/ pics if requested)
New 2015 Gear VR modded to work on Note 4
Things I have done and have gotten performance improvement/time before overheating.
I first started out adding a fan on the Gear VR cover, and still had over heating issues and it was noisy. I then moved to using Freezer Gel packs. This turned out to be a simpler more effective solution for me.
Things I do by default;
I use [All-IN-ONE Toolbox] to un-select all unnecessary app (I INSTALLED) that by default are set to AutoStart. I check this periodically since majority of apps feel their apps should do this.
I use [OS Monitor] to take a look "under the cover" and see all demanding services running in background. (Sort by CPU usage, and then by Ram usage) If there is something I installed in that catagory, I either uninstall it, take it out of AutoStart or long click on item and lower the priority.
I also use [SD Booster] to increase the read / write cache (1024) for storage. (Using 64Gb class 10 Micro SD)
Turn on do not disturb in Oculus mode
I have also used Kernel Auditor to change the model in Build prop Editor (ro.product.model) to a Note 5 (SM-N920T), so in Oculus Store I am not limited to what software I can get because I am using a Note 4.
Apps I am considering removing and breaking habit of using because of resources it's consuming;
Go Launcher , Go SMS (always running in background)
I know many will argue that AnTuTu is not a good benchmark, well if you know something better / please post.
{I run this test, as if I prepped for using the Oculus, close all running apps & clean cache for example}
Attached are my [CURRENT] AnTuTu v6.0.1 scores;
Left before overclock 53416 , right Overclocked 65150 using Kernel Auditor [Emotion Performance] Profile settings..
Please post yours if better...
Actually, I just now tried the Emotion Battery profile and used V-Time for 25minutes with no fan or Gel packs
I have heard that its best to under clock the CPU (to lessen the overheat issue) and over clock the GPU - Seems like it would be good to have a Samsung Gear settings Kernel Auditor profile. One that underclocks CPU, overclock GPU, raises temperature threshold, change model, etc.. .. Any volunteers ?
We could then assign [TASKER] or something to run profile when Oculus is launched and turn back to power saver mode when not connected.

Question S8 Ultra Battery life (really bad)

Since last week I have my brand new Ultra...
But the battery life is soooo bad... Around 4 hours display on time (1,5h playing a game and the other 2,5h surfing/taking notes etc) I loose 50% battery..
Is this normal?

One UI is using a lot of battery... should be more like 1% unless there's a good reason.

But why?
I didn't set up anything.. Only 120 hz refresh rate

remix92 said:
But why?
I didn't set up anything.. Only 120 hz refresh rate
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Don't know. 120hz eats battery too as does increased brightness. It maybe a combination of things. All Samsung's should be optimized.
Try in safe mode to rule out 3rd party apps.
Clear system cache. Use Device Care to clean Storage/user logs etc.
Keep all social media apps, shopping apps off the phone. Cloud anything will suck battery.
Turn off Google, Samsung, app and carrier fedback. Try temporarily disabling Google play Services, Gmail, Gmaps and Google backup Transport are dependencies.
Use a Package Disabler or adb edits to kill useless bloatware (leave the Samsung system apps alone!). Target only the battery hogs. Beware of dependencies and know what the apk you're disabling does! Names can be misleading.

I came across some sammy apps...
samsung-memory-guardian-4-0-04.apk
thermal-guardian-3-0-46.apk
maybe they'll assist.
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and then there is...
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/2022-07-03-v0-5-1-universal-android-debloater.4069209/
note it cannot affect system apps unless you have figured out the Monstrously difficult step of rooting.

old_fart said:
I came across some sammy apps...
samsung-memory-guardian-4-0-04.apk
thermal-guardian-3-0-46.apk
maybe they'll assist.
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and then there is...
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/2022-07-03-v0-5-1-universal-android-debloater.4069209/
note it cannot affect system apps unless you have figured out the Monstrously difficult step of rooting.
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Don't have such apk/packages on my device
Used "Package Manager" from. Playstore to check

remix92 said:
Don't have such apk/packages on my device
Used "Package Manager" from. Playstore to check
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They are from the Galaxy Store. These aren't the solutions you need. Package Disabler will work with Android 9 and 10, no problem. PM if you need the website, not on Playstore. Cost 4 or 5 bucks. It runs real time so you can make changes on the fly, effortlessly.

blackhawk said:
They are from the Galaxy Store. These aren't the solutions you need. Package Disabler will work with Android 9 and 10, no problem. PM if you need the website, not on Playstore. Cost 4 or 5 bucks. It runs real time so you can make changes on the fly, effortlessly.
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Looked up that app, Package Disabler and I thought wow . . . it works and does NOT need root. So that's a nice trick. The hard part is figuring out what to touch and what to stay away from. They warn you. The bricking is up to you. Thanks goodness there's Odin.

old_fart said:
Looked up that app, Package Disabler and I thought wow . . . it works and does NOT need root. So that's a nice trick. The hard part is figuring out what to touch and what to stay away from. They warn you. The bricking is up to you. Thanks goodness there's Odin.
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It can't brick a phone. I never had to do a factory reset to purge it in over 3 years. However it does run in safe mode as it has full Administrator privileges.