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so... what next?

So alot of people (especially in the UK) will be coming to the end of contract and life cycle on the p20. The question is....what next.
Do we go p40 without Google services or look at something different?
Iv loved the p20, it's been reliable and solid, but I'm a Google loyalist. I use the services and apps and the idea of losing apps iv paid for already on Google play just seems a step to far.
Iv found updates painfully slow to arrive through O2, months and months behind. So definitely an unlocked from carrier handset next.
But what one?
Samsung
One Plus
Or something completely different?

I love my phone, but unfortunately i came to get too annoyed with the software.
I will be switching to either Xiaomi, oneplus (doubt about oneplus but i'll see).
Until Huawei releases harmony os, i will not buy their stuff anymore. Great hardware, **** software.

The Restless Soul said:
I love my phone, but unfortunately i came to get too annoyed with the software.
I will be switching to either Xiaomi, oneplus (doubt about oneplus but i'll see).
Until Huawei releases harmony os, i will not buy their stuff anymore. Great hardware, **** software.
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Yes. This mi 10 pro seems like a decent upgrade.

If you want updates to your phone, you have 2 choices. Iphone or pixel.
OnePlus is super easy to unlock the bootloader and will not void the warranty. Then just use lineageOS.

I had enough of of the Huawei software. I was expecting Android 10 by now, but nothings been said about that release for a while now.
Add locked bootloaders and no development, made a rather boring phone. It was the only Android phone I've ever had which didn't even get a working TWRP after 2 years!
I went for the Pixel 4XL yesterday, and I'm very happy with it. Bootloader unlocked, rooted and GPay working fine

forever_lol said:
Yes. This mi 10 pro seems like a decent upgrade.
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Exactly. Sadly that it is kinda expensive and doesn't bring water resistance, but still it's pretty great!

The Restless Soul said:
Exactly. Sadly that it is kinda expensive and doesn't bring water resistance, but still it's pretty great!
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According to current information it's 4999 yuan which is more expensive than previous releases but it's still cheaper than OnePlus 7T Pro, not to mention Samsung or Pixel and iPhone. I am afraid it'll be more pricey in Europe though. Lack of IP rating is bad but I think I can live without it if the price is competitive.

forever_lol said:
According to current information it's 4999 yuan which is more expensive than previous releases but it's still cheaper than OnePlus 7T Pro, not to mention Samsung or Pixel and iPhone. I am afraid it'll be more pricey in Europe though. Lack of IP rating is bad but I think I can live without it if the price is competitive.
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If it is at least splash proof, then i am happy either way. Better that than nothing. Besides, MIUI is really good in terms of looks and customization. I don't know about the system apps and country-features restrictions. Let's see how the phone will perform.
Personally, the non-pro version is better than the pro, but let's wait first.
Oneplus is good too but still skeptical about them, after they got called out many times due to their software backdoors and insecurity.

The Restless Soul said:
If it is at least splash proof, then i am happy either way. Better that than nothing. Besides, MIUI is really good in terms of looks and customization. I don't know about the system apps and country-features restrictions. Let's see how the phone will perform.
Personally, the non-pro version is better than the pro, but let's wait first.
Oneplus is good too but still skeptical about them, after they got called out many times due to their software backdoors and insecurity.
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It's supposed to be splash proof. Regular mi 10 has bigger battery but pro version has better camera.

If you care about software on any level - don't go with Xiaomi. They are even worse than Huawei with updates and their camera software is probably the worst on the market.
I think the "what's next" really depends on the personal preference and needs.
I personally would never go with anything without Google services. Software wise - Pixels lead, OnePlus are probably the second choice right now. Camera wise it's probably Pixel/Samsung. If you want to keep the price low, Xiaomi is probably the way to go but you will sacrifice things. I would say OnePlus is the most balanced, but if I wouldn't care for the price I would go with Pixel.

I've never owned Xiaomi and frankly speaking I am bit curious, especially that this year they claim they won't compete with other flagships with price factor only. I guess I'll order it online, use it and return it within 14 days if I don't like it. Samsung is not an option to me as I want a handset with SD 865 and my region is "blessed" with their Exynos. Pixel is overpriced on the other hand and designwise...just horrible. I'd rather go for OP if their quality check is improved this year.

arty_a said:
If you case about software on any level - don't go with Xiaomi. They are even worse than Huawei with updates and their camera software is probably the worst on the market.
I think the "what's next" really depends on the personal preference and needs.
I personally would never go with anything without Google services. Software wise - Pixels lead, OnePlus are probably the second choice right now. Camera wise it's probably Pixel/Samsung. If you want to keep the price low, Xiaomi is probably the way to go but you will sacrifice things. I would say OnePlus is the most balanced, but if I wouldn't care for the price I would go with Pixel.
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I mean, since many xda nerds advertise xiaomi (second place, top being oneplus) as the best company that supports custom roms, i suppose a custom rom with gcam can fix all the issues Xiaomi phones have. I guess?

The Restless Soul said:
I mean, since many xda nerds advertise xiaomi (second place, top being oneplus) as the best company that supports custom roms, i suppose a custom rom with gcam can fix all the issues Xiaomi phones have. I guess?
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True if you are willing to do all that. Last time I checked xiaomi.eu stopped supporting GCam ports on their official forum because they worked pretty terrible. I guess you can find some ROM like LineageOS that works with GCam, I didn't really look into it since I don't own a Xiaomi phone anymore.
If you just want to buy something that works out of the box they are not the best choice.

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True if you are willing to do all that. Last time I checked xiaomi.eu stopped supporting GCam ports on their official forum because they worked pretty terrible. I guess you can find some ROM like LineageOS that works with GCam, I didn't really look into it since I don't own a Xiaomi phone anymore.
If you just want to buy something that works out of the box they are not the best choice.
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I'm sure you're right about previous releases. Thank you for your feedback. It's good to hear some critical voice before the final decision is made. However there are already camera comparisons between mi 10 pro and s20 ultra and these pics/videos looks pretty good. Mi 10 pro camera is supposed to be revolutionary and able to compete with other flagships. Well we'll see.

Oneplus 8 pro. Nothing comes close unless you want to spend £1200 on a pixel 5. If money isn't a problem then the latter would be comparable and the only phone that is.

Why do you need to upgrade? I'm holding off here in the UK until 5G becomes a reality and decent phones are available. New phones for 2020 so far (and into the Q2) don't really offer anything above what I currently have hardware wise. The phone works fine for me, battery lasts > 1 day even after 2 years.

dladz said:
Oneplus 8 pro. Nothing comes close unless you want to spend £1200 on a pixel 5. If money isn't a problem then the latter would be comparable and the only phone that is.
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I'm thinking the one plus but it looks like it's network exclusive to ee

dlevick said:
I'm thinking the one plus but it looks like it's network exclusive to ee
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I am with EE, by far the best in London, Liverpool and Manchester for all the places I visit, getting expensive now but that fits perfectly for me...
What gives you the idea that EE will have the OnePlus , as in the new one?
That is the one I want.

For me oneplus would have to show incredible improvement in keeping their promises regarding coming improvements and their cameras. I can't trust reviews 9n them anymore and would want to see it first hand. Shame as otherwise their hardware is blinding fast and updates/rootproof warranty are great
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blufreak said:
For me oneplus would have to show incredible improvement in keeping their promises regarding coming improvements and their cameras. I can't trust reviews 9n them anymore and would want to see it first hand. Shame as otherwise their hardware is blinding fast and updates/rootproof warranty are great
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Honestly for me so long as ois is on the camera and it's got "some" development, the screen is 90hz or over..I'm in.
The rest is a bonus.
Oh and I miss that DND hardware switch
Apparently waterproofing, wireless charging is all on its way.
My only problem will be the price if they're all added, personally I couldn't care less about wireless charging, not when it idles so well and charges as fast as it does..maybe if I started using it I'd become a fan but I can't see it at the moment.
Time will tell.
Plus if they don't have the 8 pro on my carrier I ain't getting it lol.

Question Would you buy?

Hi all,
Just a quick one, thinking of buying the mi 11 but will be just a UK stock one as not really got time for flashing etc, just wondered with battery life and other connectivity issues would you still recommend buying ?
Cheers in advance

Not yet if ur life depends on flashing custom roms

Even tho it appears you can do plenty of tweaks with ADB tool ??
Struggling to find a replacement for my mate 20 pro !! Defo need wireless charging which a lot don't have

not anymore,
i purchased it in march,
it was much more expansive than now, for sure
however there are many things which annoys me on my mi11
--> battery is not good
--> proximity sensor sometimes is crazy
--> receiption of wifi and 4g is not as good as other phones directly next to each other
--> updates does not have any changelog, i mean at least there are updates but no one knows whats changed
--> it's too big somehow
--> curved screen annoys me
sure, might be different for other people, but next time i will not buy on day1 + smaller and no curved device

I'm very happy for my mi 11. I'm on Xiaomi stable EU rom.
Works nice, battery life is ok (120hz screen and resolution obviously eat battery somehow).
Work smooth, is super.
Only one minutes is that night video mode it is not good as it was on official Xiaomi materials for this phone.
Screen is beautiful, worth of buy for it.

qvert said:
not anymore,
i purchased it in march,
it was much more expansive than now, for sure
however there are many things which annoys me on my mi11
--> battery is not good
--> proximity sensor sometimes is crazy
--> receiption of wifi and 4g is not as good as other phones directly next to each other
--> updates does not have any changelog, i mean at least there are updates but no one knows whats changed
--> it's too big somehow
--> curved screen annoys me
sure, might be different for other people, but next time i will not buy on day1 + smaller and no curved device
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How could you buy a phone that looks and feels in a way that you don't like ?
Some things you find out about a phone after using it a while, but there are pictures even on google...you can see how it looks and how big is it.
I have Mi 11 and yes, the battery is ok, but it could be better if the CPU wasn't so power hungry.
The rest of the "issues" that you listed are your fault, or a local issue...not all Mi 11 have those issues.

qvert said:
not anymore,
i purchased it in march,
it was much more expansive than now, for sure
however there are many things which annoys me on my mi11
--> battery is not good
--> proximity sensor sometimes is crazy
--> receiption of wifi and 4g is not as good as other phones directly next to each other
--> updates does not have any changelog, i mean at least there are updates but no one knows whats changed
--> it's too big somehow
--> curved screen annoys me
sure, might be different for other people, but next time i will not buy on day1 + smaller and no curved device
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I've got to be honest, I think the device is amazing in every way, and my phone background is Samsung Note series phones, and to be honest, this is an amazing device.
Battery life is very good, and I have no complaints about anything else if I'm honest.
You mention changelog, but where you go to update the software, it tells you what was included in the last software update ?

Blitzz.666 said:
How could you buy a phone that looks and feels in a way that you don't like ?
Some things you find out about a phone after using it a while, but there are pictures even on google...you can see how it looks and how big is it.
I have Mi 11 and yes, the battery is ok, but it could be better if the CPU wasn't so power hungry.
The rest of the "issues" that you listed are your fault, or a local issue...not all Mi 11 have those issues.
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thats why i said its my issues and not everyones
still it's the worse device (FOR ME, not for everyone) i purchased since years and i buy 1-2 phones every year
and i had a bunch of xiaomis too
my last devices somehow are like
Mi 11
Pixel 5
Oneplus 8 Pro
Poco f2 Pro
Mi 9t Pro
Oneplus 7 Pro
and the mi11 simply disappoints me personally
It would be fine if it would be cheaper or if i would not get a poco f3 which is doing everything the same except a slight worse camera for 1/3 of the money

qvert said:
thats why i said its my issues and not everyones
still it's the worse device (FOR ME, not for everyone) i purchased since years and i buy 1-2 phones every year
and i had a bunch of xiaomis too
my last devices somehow are like
Mi 11
Pixel 5
Oneplus 8 Pro
Poco f2 Pro
Mi 9t Pro
Oneplus 7 Pro
and the mi11 simply disappoints me personally
It would be fine if it would be cheaper or if i would not get a poco f3 which is doing everything the same except a slight worse camera for 1/3 of the money
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This is the first phone you ever had that comes with SD888, so don't compare.

Hey man, ignore the others. The phone is great. I purchased it for only £500 and it's the best phone I've ever purchased. The only downside I see is battery life. With my usage I get around 5 hours on screen time but this is without using the battery saver and with 120hz enabled. If you tweak some settings you can easily get upwards of 6 to 7 hours.

If you know what to expect from MIUI, then it isn't really a big deal. However, if you are used to clean ROMs, then MIUI will slap you.
It comes with a lot of suspicious apps and most of Xiaomi is about colorful effects that do nothing. There are a lot of bugs and overall the focus is 90% on themes and design rather than functionality (e.g. you can't use one handed mode when you got gesture control active).
If I knew back then what I know now after using a Xiaomi for 2 weeks, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

Very happy with mine, bought chinese version £500 and flashed Xiaomi stable EU rom which is clean while saving money pretty much up there with S21 ultra for spec while costing less Love the screen at 120hz and set res to FHD as I cant tell the difference I get around 5-6hours SOT and overall build is very good pretty difficult to find something at this price and spec
Also dont mind MIUI actually like it

Looked at Wanda for buying one, but didn't know you could put EU rom on ?
Did some flashing in past but not done anything recently so some questions,
- it easy enough with these ??
- also what's updating like ? do you need to do them yourself once flashed ? you don't get any OTA ?
- do all standard google / banking / gpay stuff work ?

pss53 said:
Looked at Wanda for buying one, but didn't know you could put EU rom on ?
Did some flashing in past but not done anything recently so some questions,
- it easy enough with these ??
- also what's updating like ? do you need to do them yourself once flashed ? you don't get any OTA ?
- do all standard google / banking / gpay stuff work ?
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Hey man, flashing the xiaomi.eu ROM is pretty easy. It is basically a modified version of the China ROM so have all of their cool features. You can check out the guide by visiting their site or checking the thread which should be a couple below this one. Updating is done via twrp flashing as you do not receive OTA updated. Google works fine however you may need to do some tweaking to get your bank app/gpay to work. For example I needed to install an app called adaway to block some DNS so that my bank app would work. Hope this helps.

Cheers and if I bought global version would you need to flash that??
Just I struggle for my own "tech time" now i'm busy with work and a wife ! :-D

pss53 said:
Cheers and if I bought global version would you need to flash that??
Just I struggle for my own "tech time" now i'm busy with work and a wife ! :-D
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No wouldnt need to will work fine

pss53 said:
Hi all,
Just a quick one, thinking of buying the mi 11 but will be just a UK stock one as not really got time for flashing etc, just wondered with battery life and other connectivity issues would you still recommend buying ?
Cheers in advance
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I have UK model (supplied by UK H3G network vendor), with Global MIUI 12.5 (Android 11).
Battery life is stellar
SOT is 8+ hours at 60hz
OS is stable and smooth.
Wireless and reverse wireless charging work perfecty.
Mi 11 5G is basically on par with a Samsung S21 Ultra at half the price (minus the 10x zoom lense).

Before I had Mi 10 which I bricked somehow, idk for sure it's my fault but anyway I've got refund of price which I paid when I bought 10, so natural choice of my was 11, and in comparison to 10 it's way better fingerprints reader, faster which you can feel everywhere, stunning display even when compared to 10, still way better, battery lot better, camera no words the huge difference, in overall my 10 had about 250 apps and was really slow sometimes, getting hot with no reason,.
Now 11 the same amount, almost but mostly all, before bootloader unlock and flashing Xiaomi.eu is working as I expect from mobile, fast, no lags and no overheating.
But it's not like 10 was bad, try to understand me comparing to 10 Xiaomi made a good job and released much better successor. That's it, if my 10 would still work I probably wouldn't buy it.
Previously I had mix 2s and wait two generations to hop into new one, and same before.
In overall it's very good model, and I don't regret that I picked that one instead of Poco F3 or whatever else. I trust flagships are better not only with 10-15% performance, where's more of everything...

Question S21 Ultra or Pixel 6 Pro

I'm debating for weeks now on which phone to upgrade my small Pixel 2. I love its camera but battery life sucks, even after replacing the battery.
I am able to buy a new Samsung S21 Ultra for 720 euros or try to import the new Pixel 6 Pro for 900 euros.
Which one would you choose and why?
Cheers

Personally I'd stick with the s21 ultra. If the pixel was a massive jump I might of swapped over but it's not great, battery is a bit rubbish. It's just ok...I think the s21 wins in more ways. Id like stock android though for sure

I would stay with the S21, other than stock android and a few software tricks it beats the Pixel 6 Pro hands down.

S21 Ultra any day...
Or the Pixel 6 if you are not into photography and don't need the extra 4x optical zoom of the Pro

Badelhas said:
I'm debating for weeks now on which phone to upgrade my small Pixel 2. I love its camera but battery life sucks, even after replacing the battery.
I am able to buy a new Samsung S21 Ultra for 720 euros or try to import the new Pixel 6 Pro for 900 euros.
Which one would you choose and why?
Cheers
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S21 Ultra (snapdragon) with Gcam. Best of both worlds for me.

tfn said:
S21 Ultra any day...
Or the Pixel 6 if you are not into photography and don't need the extra 4x optical zoom of the Pro
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I'm into photography. Love the Oppo Reno 10x Zoom that that I won on a giveaway 2 years ago and gave to my wife (features that she doesn't use, tbh).
But I've read that the S21 Ultra is terrible taking pictures for moving stuff because of the shutter lag. Is this true?
Where I live I can't get the snapdragon version, unfortunately.
Thank you all for your opinions.

I had the Pixel 3 XL then Pixel 4 XL because Google kept showing off great features that were eventually only released in the U.S. Call screening, call waiting, even certain features of Google Photos. They are doing that same bull**** about the Pixel 6 chip is needed for the eraser feature, yet the feature has been proven to work on older Pixels. They excel in camera/photos and new features but fail to deliver a whole package when it comes to phones. And they are the best in class for bait and switch tactics with their phones. As I mentioned, I got the Pixel 2 for call screening, and then they dropped the bombshell coming soon outside the U.S. The same with the Pixel 4, it's coming soon so I stayed with them. Now nearly 4 years later the feature has arrived, I gave up waiting.

lywyn said:
I had the Pixel 3 XL then Pixel 4 XL because Google kept showing off great features that were eventually only released in the U.S. Call screening, call waiting, even certain features of Google Photos. They are doing that same bull**** about the Pixel 6 chip is needed for the eraser feature, yet the feature has been proven to work on older Pixels. They excel in camera/photos and new features but fail to deliver a whole package when it comes to phones. And they are the best in class for bait and switch tactics with their phones. As I mentioned, I got the Pixel 2 for call screening, and then they dropped the bombshell coming soon outside the U.S. The same with the Pixel 4, it's coming soon so I stayed with them. Now nearly 4 years later the feature has arrived, I gave up waiting.
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Yeah, your right, most of the smart features they announced don't even work in Portugal, where I live. Some of them can work in the future but who knows. Which phone do you own now? Are you thinking about switching? If you were me: Samsung S21 Ultra for 720 euros or Pixel 6 Pro for 900 euros?
Cheers

Badelhas said:
Yeah, your right, most of the smart features they announced don't even work in Portugal, where I live. Some of them can work in the future but who knows. Which phone do you own now? Are you thinking about switching? If you were me: Samsung S21 Ultra for 720 euros or Pixel 6 Pro for 900 euros?
Cheers
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I have the S21 Ultra. Switched after getting sold a lie by Google too often. Even the photos "free pixel" storage was removed for older Pixels. Classic a bit and switches as per Google One is now a must-have for Pixel owners.
Now they are selling a 30W fast charger with claims the Pixel 6 supports it, but again lies and false claims.
Pixel 6 devices don’t really charge at 30W speeds
One of the selling points that Google is pushing about its Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro is that it has fast-charging capabilities. While they don’t actually include a fast charger when you buy the…
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lywyn said:
I have the S21 Ultra. Switched after getting sold a lie by Google too often. Even the photos "free pixel" storage was removed for older Pixels. Classic a bit and switches as per Google One is now a must-have for Pixel owners.
Now they are selling a 30W fast charger with claims the Pixel 6 supports it, but again lies and false claims.
Pixel 6 devices don’t really charge at 30W speeds
One of the selling points that Google is pushing about its Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro is that it has fast-charging capabilities. While they don’t actually include a fast charger when you buy the…
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I know. And they claim that the fingerprint reader is slow for security reasons. lol.
So you are happy with your S21 Ultra? What were the downsides and upsides from switching from stock android from your old Pixel?
Cheers

Badelhas said:
I know. And they claim that the fingerprint reader is slow for security reasons. lol.
So you are happy with your S21 Ultra? What were the downsides and upsides from switching from stock android from your old Pixel?
Cheers
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They integrate more with Google, supporting Google Messages, Photos, Discovery, etc. But the are still niggles that I've had to get used to. The biggest annoyance is Samsung making screenshots part of the photos/camera storage folder so they are included in Google Photos backups. I am moving off Google services bit by bit due to them just cancelling things or removing free from things. You can use Android gestures for navigation so the switch was easier than I thought it would be. Everything Samsung say the phone can do it does and that is better than Google ever claimed.

arknailed7754 said:
Personally I'd stick with the s21 ultra. If the pixel was a massive jump I might of swapped over but it's not great, battery is a bit rubbish. It's just ok...I think the s21 wins in more ways. Id like stock android though for su
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Badelhas said:
I know. And they claim that the fingerprint reader is slow for security reasons. lol.
So you are happy with your S21 Ultra? What were the downsides and upsides from switching from stock android from your old Pixel?
Cheers
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I do not understand this question, it's basically lacking any base knowledge of how Android works?
"What were the downsides and upsides from switching from stock android from your old Pixel?"
Load or remove what you use or do not use, it's no different. The only thing is Samsung makes some cool APPS, that you can use if you like. Just like you can go with third party APPS from the Galaxy Store or Play Store. Running plan-jane Android is no longer some great thing. Wake UP!

I think many stock android comments go back to the day that touchwiz and other variants were awful.
That being said development wise you get a lot more than on the s21. Updates for longer also.
As I said though this alone isn't enough to rock a pixel

arknailed7754 said:
I think many stock android comments go back to the day that touchwiz and other variants were awful.
That being said development wise you get a lot more than on the s21. Updates for longer also.
As I said though this alone isn't enough to rock a pixel
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Maybe that's why I didn't get the question, I was thinking stock, and now you bring up launchers. All good, hey can't we just download and use google's launcher now anyway, on any Android? For me, thinking stock smooth, is just no longer a thing, it was, a while back, because of bloat and slow down, but today, there really is no such things, all these upper end phones are smooth as butter. BTW, I do switch and use Nova Launcher always.

S21 Ultra Pros:
- Feels more premium. Pixel 6 Pro and the iPhone 13 sound plasticy or hollow when tapped. The s21 ultra absorbs the touch. It's something you have to feel, but it's definitely noticeable.
- 10x Zoom. Wow. This is the only way the camera wins, but it's nice.
- Screen. I had a P6P and the screen is noticeably brighter, and adjusts to the lighting so much faster on the S21 Ultra. I can't believe how long it was taking the P6P to adjust.
- Way less Jank and is faster. The P6P had issues hanging when scrolling in apps. Nothing like this on the S21U
- FP Sensor. The fingerprint sensor is much faster on the S21U
- Heat. My S21U running games doesn't get noticeably hot, the P6P does.
- Battery life. My battery on my S21U has been better overall, but I don't know if that's due to only having the pixel for a little over a week.
Pixel 6 Pro Pros:
- Camera. Camera wins in every way besides the 10x. Samsung over smooths faces or something. It's ridiculous how good the hardware is and how bad the processing is on the S21U
- AOD. The always on display turns off in your pocket. No idea why Samsung took this option away.
Other Notes:
- I've heard the haptics are better on P6P, but I think both are great.
- I've also heard that the P6P has an older modem, but I did not notice any slower loading while on cellular in my testing.
- The charging time is reported to be better on the P6P, but in my testing they were similar.
I went back to the S21U. I just didn't think there were any upgrades that made it worth choosing the Pixel over the S21U as the S21U is better in almost every way.

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S21 Ultra Pros:
- Feels more premium. Pixel 6 Pro and the iPhone 13 sound plasticy or hollow when tapped. The s21 ultra absorbs the touch. It's something you have to feel, but it's definitely noticeable.
- 10x Zoom. Wow. This is the only way the camera wins, but it's nice.
- Screen. I had a P6P and the screen is noticeably brighter, and adjusts to the lighting so much faster on the S21 Ultra. I can't believe how long it was taking the P6P to adjust.
- Way less Jank and is faster. The P6P had issues hanging when scrolling in apps. Nothing like this on the S21U
- FP Sensor. The fingerprint sensor is much faster on the S21U
- Heat. My S21U running games doesn't get noticeably hot, the P6P does.
- Battery life. My battery on my S21U has been better overall, but I don't know if that's due to only having the pixel for a little over a week.
Pixel 6 Pro Pros:
- Camera. Camera wins in every way besides the 10x. Samsung over smooths faces or something. It's ridiculous how good the hardware is and how bad the processing is on the S21U
- AOD. The always on display turns off in your pocket. No idea why Samsung took this option away.
Other Notes:
- I've heard the haptics are better on P6P, but I think both are great.
- I've also heard that the P6P has an older modem, but I did not notice any slower loading while on cellular in my testing.
- The charging time is reported to be better on the P6P, but in my testing they were similar.
I went back to the S21U. I just didn't think there were any upgrades that made it worth choosing the Pixel over the S21U as the S21U is better in almost every way.
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Thanks for the comparison and tour inputs. I are almost decided to go with the S21 Ultra. I love the point and shoot great pictures that I get on my Pixel 2 but I guess the S21 Ultra photos are good as well, from the reviews I´ve seen...
Cheers

arknailed7754 said:
Personally I'd stick with the s21 ultra. If the pixel was a massive jump I might of swapped over but it's not great, battery is a bit rubbish. It's just ok...I think the s21 wins in more ways. Id like stock android though for sure
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Hmmmm.This is false. I own both devices. The battery appeared rubbish first couple of days. Due to Google's amazing adaptive battery, I'm getting around 10:16 min-ishscreen on time. That Tensor AI is the real deal. I continually become more more impressed as I noticed the device getting better and learning.
The smart features in the pixel 6 pro alone makes it worth it. I typed this entire message by voice, without touching the keyboard at all. The AI automatically inserted all the punctuation and deep learned the grammar checking all on it's own.
I think people underestimate how good pixels improve over time with Google magic.
The other smart features are incredibly convenient, intuitive and without getting too hyperbolic, amazing. Live translate allows you to literally translate anything anytime, anywhere with your keyboard or microphone. Being able to see hold times when you call ridiculous companies like insurance companies is downright cool. I recently got into a car accident and been having to call Geico repeatedly. One hour hold times. I'm able to see when those hold times. As soon as i preemptively see the call volume subside throughout the day, this allows me to make the perfectly timed pinpointed call. Call screening is amazing too. Telemarketers and Scam callers get tea bagged. Not even to mention live caption...
The smoothness and raw ui usage speed is slightly better than my s21 ultra.
The six pro screen is the clearest most beautiful screen I've ever seen on a smartphone. All videos and anything other than websites actually look like beautiful web pages with perfect clarity.
Additionally, The six Pro has just been released. Like literally just released. It's had only one day one update. As amazing as the 6 pro is, it'll even get dramatically better than it is now -- in the next couple months, with those updates. People forget how crappy the s21 Ultra or the 9 Pro software was on day one.
Don't get me wrong. I adore my s21 ultra. But my carefully calibrated and monitored opinion is the Pixel 6 Pro is better.
Now, if we're talking the s22 Ultra compared to the pixel 6 Pro, now we have legitimate conversation.

S21 ultra. the pixel 6 pro is hyperthetic

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Hmmmm.This is false. I own both devices. The battery appeared rubbish first couple of days. Due to Google's amazing adaptive battery, I'm getting around 10:16 min-ishscreen on time. That Tensor AI is the real deal. I continually become more more impressed as I noticed the device getting better and learning.
The smart features in the pixel 6 pro alone makes it worth it. I typed this entire message by voice, without touching the keyboard at all. The AI automatically inserted all the punctuation and deep learned the grammar checking all on it's own.
I think people underestimate how good pixels improve over time with Google magic.
The other smart features are incredibly convenient, intuitive and without getting too hyperbolic, amazing. Live translate allows you to literally translate anything anytime, anywhere with your keyboard or microphone. Being able to see hold times when you call ridiculous companies like insurance companies is downright cool. I recently got into a car accident and been having to call Geico repeatedly. One hour hold times. I'm able to see when those hold times. As soon as i preemptively see the call volume subside throughout the day, this allows me to make the perfectly timed pinpointed call. Call screening is amazing too. Telemarketers and Scam callers get tea bagged. Not even to mention live caption...
The smoothness and raw ui usage speed is slightly better than my s21 ultra.
The six pro screen is the clearest most beautiful screen I've ever seen on a smartphone. All videos and anything other than websites actually look like beautiful web pages with perfect clarity.
Additionally, The six Pro has just been released. Like literally just released. It's had only one day one update. As amazing as the 6 pro is, it'll even get dramatically better than it is now -- in the next couple months, with those updates. People forget how crappy the s21 Ultra or the 9 Pro software was on day one.
Don't get me wrong. I adore my s21 ultra. But my carefully calibrated and monitored opinion is the Pixel 6 Pro is better.
Now, if we're talking the s22 Ultra compared to the pixel 6 Pro, now we have legitimate conversation.
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Yeah but I live in Portugal. Besides the fact that I have to import it from France or Germany none of those smart features you mentioned work in my language/country. Samsung doesn't make it those distinctions and their hardware is supported and sold all over the world.

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I'm debating for weeks now on which phone to upgrade my small Pixel 2. I love its camera but battery life sucks, even after replacing the battery.
I am able to buy a new Samsung S21 Ultra for 720 euros or try to import the new Pixel 6 Pro for 900 euros.
Which one would you choose and why?
Cheers
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I bought both of these because I couldn't make up my mind. It was a very hard choice but I plan to return the Pixel 6 Pro for a refund and keep the S21 Ultra.
The software on the Pixel seems buggier. There have been a few times while using the browser that it just straight locked up. Mostly while browsing XDA. Stock Android is also very meh to me.
After using both for only a week I've noticed the camera is only marginally better on the pixel if you aren't doing any zoom shots. If you're zooming at all, it's not that great. I took a bunch of photos with both phones and both consistently looked really good.
The pixel is easier to hold in the hand and I think it feels a little bit more premium than the S21 Ultra.
I think the S21 Ultra may be better for battery.
Odd that the price difference is like that. Here in the states, the S21 Ultra is like $300 more than the pixel 6 pro.

Question Pixel 5a - worth buying in 2022? 🤔

Greetings to Pixel 5a owners from Ukraine!!
I was a happy Pixel 4a owner for some time, but battery life upset me. The battery replacement didn't help, so I switched to a mid-range Realme.
I am missing the Pixel experience and looking forward to rejoining the Pixel family. Pixels have never officially sold in my country, and since the war started, it's become even harder to find one on sale.
Luckily, the local retailer has brand-new Pixel 6 and Pixel 5a for a reasonable price (~$600 and ~$400 with taxes included), especially considering how our local currency is losing its value each day. I'm choosing between these two models.
Would you say it's safe to buy a Pixel 5a right now? I am excited about its battery life; at the same time, it's not that large and heavy. However, I'm a bit concerned that it has only 6 GB of RAM, and the Snapdragon processor might be not too future-proof, as Google might save some features for their Tensor-based models. What do you think?
Best,
Andrii

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Would you say it's safe to buy a Pixel 5a right now? I am excited about its battery life; at the same time, it's not that large and heavy. However, I'm a bit concerned that it has only 6 GB of RAM, and the Snapdragon processor might be not too future-proof, as Google might save some features for their Tensor-based models. What do you think?
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Andrii
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Currently I only use my 5a and 6 for testing.
Between the two, I prefer the 5a and plan on switching to it as my daily use phone.
I am still using (and like) my 3a as my daily-use phone.
The 5a is very close in size and style.
Between the camera style and positioning, a dedicated fingerprint sensor, ..
Might be why I prefer the 5a.
Cheers.

Forgot to add - both 6 and 5a are Japanese versions. I have found that the shutter sound can't be disabled; maybe you know any other issues or differences?

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Between the two, I prefer the 5a and plan on switching to it as my daily use phone.
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Between the camera style and positioning, a dedicated fingerprint sensor, ..
Might be why I prefer the 5a.
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thanks for sharing your experience! very helpful!!

As I stated in your Pixel 5 thread, I believe you can still get the 5a new. Here are the main differences between the 5 and 5a:
Screen size: 5a is bigger but only 60Hz, 5 is 90Hz
Battery capacity: 5 has 4080MaH, 5a 4680
RAM: 5 has 8GB, 5a has 6GB
Wireless charging: 5a doesn't have it
They both use the same SoC (Snapdragon 765G), same GPU, and same modem.
There are some additional minor differences - the 5 has Gorilla Glass 6, vs the 5a only uses Gorilla Glass 3. Negligible with a screen protector. 5 is IP68, 5a is IP67.

V0latyle said:
As I stated in your Pixel 5 thread, I believe you can still get the 5a new. Here are the main differences between the 5 and 5a:
Screen size: 5a is bigger but only 60Hz, 5 is 90Hz
Battery capacity: 5 has 4080MaH, 5a 4680
RAM: 5 has 8GB, 5a has 6GB
Wireless charging: 5a doesn't have it
They both use the same SoC (Snapdragon 765G), same GPU, and same modem.
There are some additional minor differences - the 5 has Gorilla Glass 6, vs. the 5a only uses Gorilla Glass 3. Negligible with a screen protector. 5 is IP68, 5a is IP67.
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Thanks, buddy, for kindly sharing your feedback in both threads.
I am planning to purchase a new device this week and was trying to get as much feedback as possible within an extremely short period of time.
Initially, I thought about P5 vs. P5A vs. P6.
Only used P5 are in stock, so its battery life is likely even worse than the new P5A and P6. So now, I'm choosing between the latter two.

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Thanks, buddy, for kindly sharing your feedback in both threads.
I am planning to purchase a new device this week and was trying to get as much feedback as possible within an extremely short period of time.
Initially, I thought about P5 vs. P5A vs. P6.
Only used P5 are in stock, so its battery life is likely even worse than the new P5A and P6. So now, I'm choosing between the latter two.
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TBH I haven't handled the P6, but with the physical design and the problems many have had with the new hardware, I'd say stick with the P5a. I doubt the 2GB of RAM will make much difference for you. My wife uses hers pretty heavily for playing games and she's never had an issue with sluggishness.
If you want to be able to root, make sure you buy an unbranded Google device.

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make sure you buy an unbranded Google device
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What do you mean under "unbranded"?
I saw devices sold in open boxes, and their screens are covered by a protective film like on new phones—the semi-transparent on the P5A and the solid white on P6.
I assume they might be the refurbished units. Is there any way to check it?
upd: ##786# and *#*#786#*#* do not work either on my P4A or other phones, and I assume, on P5A and P6 won't work as well

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What do you mean under "unbranded"?
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Don't get a carrier branded device. But since you're in the Ukraine, I'm not sure this would be of any concern.
JetVoz said:
I saw devices sold in open boxes, and their screens are covered by a protective film like on new phones—the semi-transparent on the P5A and the solid white on P6.
I assume they might be the refurbished units. Is there any way to check it?
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No idea.
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upd: ##786# and *#*#786#*#* do not work either on my P4A or other phones, and I assume, on P5A and P6 won't work as well
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What are you trying to do with that?

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What are you trying to do with that?
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I have
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No idea.
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Hello, I also from Ukraine, I bought my 5a 2 month ago in stylus. Everything works fine. It's not Japan it's US model.

Thanks, @ipdev, @V0latyle, @[email protected], for your feedback
Today I placed my order for the P5A (US version), and I look forward to receiving it next week! Should I check something when in-store? I'm not confident about the seller, so it's better to find out issues before paying.
The idea was: Everything works for me in my P4A, except its battery drains too fast. P5A is similar to P4A but with excellent battery life. Snapdragon SoC, 60Hz screen, and rear-mounted fingerprint are more pros to me than cons.

Bad thing with this phone is how easily overheats during warm summer days while taking pictures or having video call and gps turned on. Google really made cheapest phone they could.
Also idiots from google didn't enable VoLTE like normal company but they locked it so only "certified" carriers have it. This is my first and last pixel phone.
Battery is great, cameras are standard Google reliable and good.
Clean Android with regular updates is also good and everything just works.

predragiPredrag said:
Bad thing with this phone is how easily overheats during warm summer days while taking pictures or having video call and gps turned on. Google really made cheapest phone they could.
Also idiots from google didn't enable VoLTE like normal company but they locked it so only "certified" carriers have it. This is my first and last pixel phone.
Battery is great, cameras are standard Google reliable and good.
Clean Android with regular updates is also good and everything just works.
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Just install custom and do undervoult for CPU and GPU it will be colder and more battery backup

[email protected] said:
Just install custom and do undervoult for CPU and GPU it will be colder and more battery backup
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I am hesitant to do that since I risk lossing banking apps and payments that use nfc. Google is trying hard to disable hiding of unlocked bootloader...idiots.
Only ROM that for now works is pixel experience and rooting will again cause issues with banking and payment apps.

I don't know, magisk is hiding it perfectly

Thinking of buying it for 2023, but it was released only in like 3-4 countries so the communites for ROMs and other development could be far stronger. Rule#1 when future-proofing through custom ROMs: Make sure the phone is widely available.

eried1 said:
Thinking of buying it for 2023, but it was released only in like 3-4 countries so the communites for ROMs and other development could be far stronger. Rule#1 when future-proofing through custom ROMs: Make sure the phone is widely available.
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I'd personally say stay away. The overheating issue isn't *terrible* if you're not a frequent user of video chat, but when you do need it, your phone is going to overheat and your radios shut off. I was trying to use a telehealth visit with my doctor for a recent diagnosis using 5G on Visible, and it keep shutting off the radio and freezing the phone. I had to use my wife's iPhone instead. The doctor couldn't even call my phone because it was locked up for 5 minutes.
I'm on my 3rd Pixel 5a (due to screen breaks) they have all had the overheating issue. It won't come up for months but if/when it does come up it can be during a critical time.

Question X90 Pro+ vs Honor Magic 5 Pro

Looks like the much much better X90 Pro+ on first look.
Software Policy that promises 3 major android upgrades, 5 years of security updates vs nothing on Vivo (likely 1-2 major upgrades only). Caveat on MWC it was spotted with Android 12 out of the box - but the China OS version seems to be on Android 13. Very unlikely it will launch with Android 12.
Software stability/notificatins: Yeah Huawei/Honor isn't top but way better than Vivo.
Google: fully inbuilt on European model - no China OS spyware
Sensor: Yes it's only 1/1.12" but it has F1.6 vs F1.8 so the natural bokeh will be pretty identical. Amount of light per pixel even slightly better
Ultrawicde: a bit higher quality sensor,
Selfie sensor: much better.
Zoom: Identical but faster lens - so in theory also slightly better. F3.0 vs F3.5
Camera software: well Huawei has always been top...
Battery: 5100maH (Global version only, Chinese gets 5450) vs 4700 on X90..
Bluetooth: X90 Pro+ has 5.3 s 5.2 only on Huawei.
Wifi: some special Wifi 6 promised - but both miss Wifi 6e and Wifi 7 as it looks now
esim: Magic 5 Pro should come with e-sim and dual sim for Europe.
Price: 1200€ including VAT and warranty in Europa - price is for Germany.... (that's basically identical to China plus VAT)
Price in China: The 90 Pro+ has today dropped today with vouchers to 4500RMB on JD (quite a drop from once 6999RMB even tough it was available at 6000 right from the start - Magic 5 Pro starts at 7473RMB - don't know about discounts... Clearly in China the X90Pro+ is a bargain vs the Magic 5 Pro in price right now. S23 Ultra goes for around 78000 RMB in China for the 512GB version.
Biggest default for Magic 5 Pro: concering camera: no variable aperture! This will hurt exactly the same as on X90 Pro+. Likely Xiaomi 13 Ultra will have the better main camera due to variable aperture on the IMX 989.
Magic 5 Pro likely has small Ultrasonic fingerprint sensor only (however their face unlock should be safer - unlike Vivo that opens with a picture...)

I'm really enjoying the 2x f/1.6 zoom on the Vivo - using it more than the main camera at the moment

Haskren said:
I'm really enjoying the 2x f/1.6 zoom on the Vivo - using it more than the main camera at the moment
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I understand that if you want to shoot portrait, 50mm is the sweet spot, it's always been. But assuming you want to use the stock camera in portrait mode, do you really thing the main sensor at 1.9x (or even better disable the lens auto switching) vs the portrait sensor is worse?
I feel it's a tiny bit different but not really worse so I feel the 2.2x camera is a bit useless anyhow. But yeah I much rather have a main sensor with variable aperture if it uses such a big sensor and the honor fails this one as well. But the rest of the package to me is much much better than the Vivo.
Oh and I was wrong about the sensor. Read a wrong report. The zoom lens uses IMX 858 not the omnivision 64b as on that vivo. Both are using periscope 90mm however.

extremecarver said:
Looks like the much much better X90 Pro+ on first look.
Software Policy that promises 3 major android upgrades, 5 years of security updates vs nothing on Vivo (likely 1-2 major upgrades only). Caveat on MWC it was spotted with Android 12 out of the box - but the China OS version seems to be on Android 13. Very unlikely it will launch with Android 12.
Software stability/notificatins: Yeah Huawei/Honor isn't top but way better than Vivo.
Google: fully inbuilt on European model - no China OS spyware
Sensor: Yes it's only 1/1.12" but it has F1.6 vs F1.8 so the natural bokeh will be pretty identical. Amount of light per pixel even slightly better
Ultrawicde: a bit higher quality sensor,
Selfie sensor: much better.
Zoom: Identical but faster lens - so in theory also slightly better. F3.0 vs F3.5
Camera software: well Huawei has always been top...
Battery: 5100maH (Global version only, Chinese gets 5450) vs 4700 on X90..
Bluetooth: X90 Pro+ has 5.3 s 5.2 only on Huawei.
Wifi: some special Wifi 6 promised - but both miss Wifi 6e and Wifi 7 as it looks now
esim: Magic 5 Pro should come with e-sim and dual sim for Europe.
Price: 1200€ including VAT and warranty in Europa - price is for Germany.... (that's basically identical to China plus VAT)
Price in China: The 90 Pro+ has today dropped today with vouchers to 4500RMB on JD (quite a drop from once 6999RMB even tough it was available at 6000 right from the start - Magic 5 Pro starts at 7473RMB - don't know about discounts... Clearly in China the X90Pro+ is a bargain vs the Magic 5 Pro in price right now. S23 Ultra goes for around 78000 RMB in China for the 512GB version.
Biggest default for Magic 5 Pro: concering camera: no variable aperture! This will hurt exactly the same as on X90 Pro+. Likely Xiaomi 13 Ultra will have the better main camera due to variable aperture on the IMX 989.
Magic 5 Pro likely has small Ultrasonic fingerprint sensor only (however their face unlock should be safer - unlike Vivo that opens with a picture...)
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I think you should sell your Vivo X90 Pro Plus as you bought it anawares. You were probably forced to buy it by someone.
Certainly the Honor Magic 5 Pro is an excellent smartphone but the hardware seems to me to be on par with the Vivo X90 Pro Plus and certainly not superior. A big flaw is that they have lowered the charging speed from 100W to 66W. Reading your words, it almost seems to me that we are talking about a comparison between a Twingo and a Ferrari... so I wonder again, why did you buy the Vivo X90 Pro Plus since the specifications and potential problems related to the software and frequency of updates (on a device imported from China) have been known for some time?
You knew very well what you were getting into. Do yourself and all of us a favor. Sell your Vivo and buy Honor Magic 5 Pro.
There is a great forum here dedicated to that brand.

Well if you read reviews like the XDA one: https://www.xda-developers.com/vivo-x90-pro-plus-review/
There is no mention at all about rotten software experience..I didn't dig through the forums to find this out. Plus In Taiwan the s23U is crazy expensive in comparison vs a China import of x90pro+ and I wanted a phone with great battery life and waited especially for 8gen2 for that. Not knowing vivo would mess that up due to a power hungry modem which clearly isn't x70.
The magic 5 clearly also hasn't x70 modem, nor does it seem to use fast connect at all. But honor/Huawei have great track record in sourcing battery efficient components. If that applies to magic 5 pro has to be seen.
Not being able to sell the x90pro+ for more than 500 euros in Taiwan I wait to be back in Europe and then exchange it against a phone with good software and battery life. Maybe s23U, if significantly cheaper maybe magic 5 pro. If until mid may it's clear that Pixel 8 would use a Samsung 3nm processor I may just wait for pixel 8 pro. Clearly nothing from BBK or Xiaomi cause they don't know how to do software and support.

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Well if you read reviews like the XDA one: https://www.xda-developers.com/vivo-x90-pro-plus-review/
There is no mention at all about rotten software experience..I didn't dig through the forums to find this out. Plus In Taiwan the s23U is crazy expensive in comparison vs a China import of x90pro+ and I wanted a phone with great battery life and waited especially for 8gen2 for that. Not knowing vivo would mess that up due to a power hungry modem which clearly isn't x70.
The magic 5 clearly also hasn't x70 modem, nor does it seem to use fast connect at all. But honor/Huawei have great track record in sourcing battery efficient components. If that applies to magic 5 pro has to be seen.
Not being able to sell the x90pro+ for more than 500 euros in Taiwan I wait to be back in Europe and then exchange it against a phone with good software and battery life. Maybe s23U, if significantly cheaper maybe magic 5 pro. If until mid may it's clear that Pixel 8 would use a Samsung 3nm processor I may just wait for pixel 8 pro. Clearly nothing from BBK or Xiaomi cause they don't know how to do software and support.
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I think even more you made an unconscious purchase. As many here will be able to confirm to you, buying imported smartphones or other devices coming from China is only advisable for very aware users or advanced users.
Vivo has always made great cameraphones, not battery phones. S23U has a battery that lasts longer but also has a much slower recharge and this in my opinion is a big flaw for those who use their smartphone a lot.
I think you should evaluate the purchase of Xiaomi 13 Pro which has excellent cameras (although not at the level of Vivo X90 Pro Plus) and a battery that lasts long enough but above all with a very fast recharge.
My previous smartphone was the Xiaomi 11T Pro and I can assure you that a 120W recharge completely solves any battery problems.

Nope I couldn't care much about charging. I need a phone that lasts as long as possible while being outdoors. No access to chargers.
And Xiaomi has horrible software and not great battery life either. And I need a decent tele and main camera. Don't care much about ultrawide. Plus I of course expect stable and functional software. I don't care about homescreen or widgets at all, as I'm fine with Nova

Is it possible to install Google Services on Honor phones?
Or even root and remove Chinese spyware?

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Is it possible to install Google Services on Honor phones?
Or even root and remove Chinese spyware?
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Honor will be available with global OS. Impossible on Chinese OS. And the price is nearly the same as jn China, unlike vivo and Xiaomi who ask for ridiculous prices

maxel77 said:
S23U has a battery that lasts longer
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No, Samsung is not better than Vivo in terms of autonomy. Yes, it can also give you 8-9 hours of screen time, and the next day only 5 - you'll never be sure of its battery life. Samsung has never been good at autonomy and batteries.
About honor. Not bad, but much more expensive than vivo, plus the main sensor gn2 against 989 is worse.
variable aperture is not an advantage - it's pure marketing, nothing more.
it also has a very very strange design with some kind of giant camera module. horror. Yes, and the appearance is not serious. Vivo has a very cool and at the same time strict appearance.
well, maybe he will take great photos, but what about the video recording in which the huawei and honor never knew how ...

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No, Samsung is not better than Vivo in terms of autonomy. Yes, it can also give you 8-9 hours of screen time, and the
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Read the reviews - Samsung is 5% better on continous gamin/benchmark tests (as expected due to bigger battery), 20% better on surfing via Wifi, 40-50% better on standby and surfing via 4G/5G or calltime. It's not even a competition. The S23U crunches the X90P+ and other X90 series with ease.
Samsung used to be average - but that was due to their Exynos processors malperforming. Considering Samsung before more or less matched the competition with worse SOC was actually quite impressive. It's way better than Vivo X90 Pro+ in battery runtime (charging slower of course). And in the past the Galaxy S8+ was actually the best device for battery life too.
The GN2 will likely be used on Pixel 8 too. Should it come with 50MP on camera2api it will be the perfect sensor for gcam mods. Yes video was never a strong place for Huawei. But I'm also not impressed with Vivo either. It's not even confirmed it's GN2 just likely (due to size). However some sources claim it has an IMX878 sensor for the main cam. Nothing would be known so far about that sensor. Maybe the 878 will only come on the Magic 5 Ultimate (which will be China only).

extremecarver said:
Looks like the much much better X90 Pro+ on first look.
Software Policy that promises 3 major android upgrades, 5 years of security updates vs nothing on Vivo (likely 1-2 major upgrades only). Caveat on MWC it was spotted with Android 12 out of the box - but the China OS version seems to be on Android 13. Very unlikely it will launch with Android 12.
Software stability/notificatins: Yeah Huawei/Honor isn't top but way better than Vivo.
Google: fully inbuilt on European model - no China OS spyware
Sensor: Yes it's only 1/1.12" but it has F1.6 vs F1.8 so the natural bokeh will be pretty identical. Amount of light per pixel even slightly better
Ultrawicde: a bit higher quality sensor,
Selfie sensor: much better.
Zoom: Identical but faster lens - so in theory also slightly better. F3.0 vs F3.5
Camera software: well Huawei has always been top...
Battery: 5100maH (Global version only, Chinese gets 5450) vs 4700 on X90..
Bluetooth: X90 Pro+ has 5.3 s 5.2 only on Huawei.
Wifi: some special Wifi 6 promised - but both miss Wifi 6e and Wifi 7 as it looks now
esim: Magic 5 Pro should come with e-sim and dual sim for Europe.
Price: 1200€ including VAT and warranty in Europa - price is for Germany.... (that's basically identical to China plus VAT)
Price in China: The 90 Pro+ has today dropped today with vouchers to 4500RMB on JD (quite a drop from once 6999RMB even tough it was available at 6000 right from the start - Magic 5 Pro starts at 7473RMB - don't know about discounts... Clearly in China the X90Pro+ is a bargain vs the Magic 5 Pro in price right now. S23 Ultra goes for around 78000 RMB in China for the 512GB version.
Biggest default for Magic 5 Pro: concering camera: no variable aperture! This will hurt exactly the same as on X90 Pro+. Likely Xiaomi 13 Ultra will have the better main camera due to variable aperture on the IMX 989.
Magic 5 Pro likely has small Ultrasonic fingerprint sensor only (however their face unlock should be safer - unlike Vivo that opens with a picture...)
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Hello , my lovely friend . Can i ask you again why you bought such a bad phone like the X90 pro plus ? what are you trying to prove here? I know i risk getting blocked soon because of you . Can you please tell me why on earth you still use the x90 pro plus? we got your point , its sh*t , you hate it . You are the only guy here who has this opinion .even so we respect that. Why do you use this phone if its so dissapointing to you ?

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Hello , my lovely friend . Can i ask you again why you bought such a bad phone like the X90 pro plus ? what are you trying to prove here? I know i risk getting blocked soon because of you . Can you please tell me why on earth you still use the x90 pro plus? we got your point , its sh*t , you hate it . You are the only guy here who has this opinion .even so we respect that. Why do you use this phone if its so dissapointing to you ?
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The sad thing is that he bought it thinking it was a battery phone but he is also complaining about photo quality even if in many comparisons Vivo is better than S23U.

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The sad thing is that he bought it thinking it was a battery phone but he is also complaing about photo quality even if in many comparison Vivo is better than S23U.
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He is complaining about battery , camera , design , modem , google services ( everybody knows the problems with chinese phones) . How is that possible ? How is that even being tolerated every single day its beyond my power of understanding . I get it peoples got opinions , i like criticism as long as its constructive and realistic . But he is literally aberrating . Im ready to be banned right now . Banned for speaking in the name of 99% of this forum .

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I think it should be even preinstalled on the global variant. They're saying 5G is also possible so I don't see the problem to release the phone with Playstore or Google apps.

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Read the reviews - Samsung is 5% better on continous gamin/benchmark tests (as expected due to bigger battery), 20% better on surfing via Wifi, 40-50% better on standby and surfing via 4G/5G or calltime. It's not even a competition. The S23U crunches the X90P+ and other X90 series with ease.
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reviews? seriously? what about the owners?
reviews have never been true about samsungs (I owned a samsung for a long time and I will not return to this hell again). the reality is that today it will give out 8 hours of screen, like vivo x90pp, and tomorrow under the same conditions it will be only 5...
I'm sure the honor will be more autonomous, as they install high-quality batteries and optimize the firmware kernel well, but definitely not Samsung
Samsung is not a competitor for vivo at all in all parametres, except maybe with a s-pen

vendetta17 said:
Hello , my lovely friend . Can i ask you again why you bought such a bad phone like the X90 pro plus ? what are you trying to prove here?
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as you can read above it rates the phone based on reviews and not actual usage or even owner reviews on forums

Reading the threads about battery lifes with screenshots it's ace clear too. S23U is way better than the x90pro+. Vivo gets 7-8 hours only with wifi, s23U gets 10-12 hours on WiFi for DoT. Some people even squeezed 14 hours out of s23U.
With mobile data all day without WiFi and consuming 2-3 GB lucky to get 6-7 hours from x90. If bad reception and using the camera I've had 4 hours only over 12 hours use.
There's a battery thread here and besides me no one posted screenshots from accubattery...
As I often said, it's clear the modem/firmware is the culprit. It can easily be verified by using both s23u and x90pro+ as hotspot and download a big file. X90pro+ goes down 5% every 20minutes. Vs 3% on s23U. 3G call time and standby see Dxomark, clearly better than Vivo. If you are on wifi all day or don't use much mobile data the difference is much smaller. Changing Vivo stock camera for gcam saves a lot of battery too (stock camera literally sucks the battery empty in no time).
The last firmware update improved the modem slightly, so when surfing news websites/text the consumption is better now. When watching YouTube or high resolution video on X90pp over mobile data it's still munching battery like crazy (I even tested that very close to a cell tower at -70db reception, cannot get much better).
If reception is really bad, meaning -110db or less the X90pp drains like crazy but keeps the connection where my reference (Huawei p30 pro) would often drop the network. at least with screen off and for background data I would prefer a more battery conservative strategy. Not sure how S23U behaves, but X90pp even in the least power balanced network mode is a real battery sucker. Meaning while being outdoors I have to put it in airplane mode or switch of mobile data to make it a day. Same use case my p30pro would hold up nearly two days (yeah much brighter screen in sunlight makes a difference too, but much less than the modem).
Yeah because of bigger cooling x90pro+ will drain faster under load in benchmark tests, but in normal use neither phone gets close to overheating plus x90pro+ allows this overheating anyhow only for benchmark apps (57° measured for example by toviworks YouTuber, vs 43° on s23U). Without benchmark mode the X90pp actually throttles already at 32° so much earlier (throttling to around 80% max speed)...
And yes, the notifications problem on the X90pp clearly plays its part too. With vivo.pem killing google FCM removing it all apps under high battery use are uncontrolled. No way to have a strategy like besides FCM push only every 120seconds allow apps to pull stuff. Deep sleep therefore is much better on Samsung where there is an intelligent deep sleep management. That explains the standby numbers.
How good will be the honor magic 5 pro? They already more or less stated that they use their own modem, even Bluetooth and WiFi won't be fastconnect 6900 like on X90pp (7800 on s23U which has better battery saving too vs 6900), but Huawei/honor have a good track record. I doubt they reach x70/fastconnect 7800 efficiency however. And unlike origin OS they have a decent sleep management.

extremecarver said:
Reading the threads about battery lifes with screenshots it's ace clear too. S23U is way better than the x90pro+. Vivo gets 7-8 hours only with wifi, s23U gets 10-12 hours on WiFi for DoT. Some people even squeezed 14 hours out of s23U.
With mobile data all day without WiFi and consuming 2-3 GB lucky to get 6-7 hours from x90. If bad reception and using the camera I've had 4 hours only over 12 hours use.
There's a battery thread here and besides me no one posted screenshots from accubattery...
As I often said, it's clear the modem/firmware is the culprit. It can easily be verified by using both s23u and x90pro+ as hotspot and download a big file. X90pro+ goes down 5% every 20minutes. Vs 3% on s23U. 3G call time and standby see Dxomark, clearly better than Vivo. If you are on wifi all day or don't use much mobile data the difference is much smaller. Changing Vivo stock camera for gcam saves a lot of battery too (stock camera literally sucks the battery empty in no time).
The last firmware update improved the modem slightly, so when surfing news websites/text the consumption is better now. When watching YouTube or high resolution video on X90pp over mobile data it's still munching battery like crazy (I even tested that very close to a cell tower at -70db reception, cannot get much better).
If reception is really bad, meaning -110db or less the X90pp drains like crazy but keeps the connection where my reference (Huawei p30 pro) would often drop the network. at least with screen off and for background data I would prefer a more battery conservative strategy. Not sure how S23U behaves, but X90pp even in the least power balanced network mode is a real battery sucker. Meaning while being outdoors I have to put it in airplane mode or switch of mobile data to make it a day. Same use case my p30pro would hold up nearly two days (yeah much brighter screen in sunlight makes a difference too, but much less than the modem).
Yeah because of bigger cooling x90pro+ will drain faster under load in benchmark tests, but in normal use neither phone gets close to overheating plus x90pro+ allows this overheating anyhow only for benchmark apps (57° measured for example by toviworks YouTuber, vs 43° on s23U). Without benchmark mode the X90pp actually throttles already at 32° so much earlier (throttling to around 80% max speed)...
And yes, the notifications problem on the X90pp clearly plays its part too. With vivo.pem killing google FCM removing it all apps under high battery use are uncontrolled. No way to have a strategy like besides FCM push only every 120seconds allow apps to pull stuff. Deep sleep therefore is much better on Samsung where there is an intelligent deep sleep management. That explains the standby numbers.
How good will be the honor magic 5 pro? They already more or less stated that they use their own modem, even Bluetooth and WiFi won't be fastconnect 6900 like on X90pp (7800 on s23U which has better battery saving too vs 6900), but Huawei/honor have a good track record. I doubt they reach x70/fastconnect 7800 efficiency however. And unlike origin OS they have a decent sleep management.
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It looks like you have a defective phone. because I don't see anything like that on my phone. Of course, the mobile network consumes more energy, but not by that much. Here are the numbers for you. Watching videos through YouTube Wi-Fi - consumption is about 350mAh on average, which will give about 13 hours of screen if we only watch YouTube. Now 4g. consumption is about 450mAh, which will give more than 10 hours of screen. Yes, as I wrote, the mobile network on any phone consumes more. But what you described suggests that you most likely have a phone defect. I was recently on the road for about 1.5 hours. All this time there was an extremely unstable 2g3g4g network, the phone was constantly online - I needed the Internet and it constantly switched between bad networks. Moreover, two GPS navigators were continuously turned on, between which I switched. as a result, the phone sat down by a little more than 20% giving out 1.5 hours of screen time. that is, nothing like what you described on my copy is simply impossible. Well, except that I will use the phone for two days.
I do not argue that competitors will be even more energy efficient, but vivo is very good in terms of autonomy in any conditions. I highly doubt that an external modem will be better than a modem in SOC. But this needs to be tested. At least so far, no one has been able to do it.
About notifications - here I agree. Very strange behavior on different phones. It seems to be the same firmware, the same applications, the same settings, and on one phone all notifications work and even on a dark theme, and on the other they can fail even on a white theme. Everything works fine for me even with smart battery management. But I always reset the phone after purchase and install all applications from markets - I can’t stand phone cloning programs. perhaps this is the reason.

The Magic5 Pro is looking impressive for sure.
I was interested in the 4 Pro last year but ultimately did not buy it because it had an IMX766 main cam which can be found on midrange phones. And without OIS at that... Not good. The Magic5 Pro looks like a significant upgrade.