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Hello all.
I'm currently trying to find some new games for my Kaiser, and would love to play some emulators.
What I'm after are emulators that run at full speed (if possible) in landscape mode. Any ideas?
My M600i that is nearly 2 years old could play Megadrive at 100% speed WITH sound on a 250mhz processor: I hope the Kaiser can at least match that without the drivers
Thanks!
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Girvo said:
My M600i that is nearly 2 years old could play Megadrive at 100% speed WITH sound on a 250mhz processor
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The original MC68000 was fabricated using an HMOS process with a 3.5-micron feature size. Initial engineering samples were released in late 1979. Production chips were available in 1980, with initial speed grades of 4, 6, and 8 MHz. 10 MHz chips became available during 1981, and 12.5 MHz chips during 1982. The 16.67 MHz "12F" version of the MC68000, the fastest version of the original HMOS chip, was not produced until the late 1980s.
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You emulated a 10Mhz processor on a 250Mhz Processor, whoop-de-do
And my phone with a 400mhz processor can't. At least, not with the ones I've tried. Like I said: any ideas?
Until we get proper drivers, emulation will suffer on Kaiser. So far, the only system I've been able to get full speed and sound emulation out of is Gameboy via MorphGear.
Pocketnester is what I use. It works fine for me, although there is no support for landscape mode.
ugoff said:
Until we get proper drivers, emulation will suffer on Kaiser. So far, the only system I've been able to get full speed and sound emulation out of is Gameboy via MorphGear.
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Thought that was the case. It's a shame. The GP2X can emulate more than us in 2D, with a slower processor. As did the M600i.
*sigh*
Oh well. I'm going to bite the bullet and get me a P1i I think. Luckily Mum needs a new phone (took her Atom for a swim).
Morphgear is probably the best one out there.
Anybody got a ink to Morphgear?
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Pocketnester is what I use. It works fine for me, although there is no support for landscape mode.
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PocketNester does support landscape mode.
Just go to Options -> Graphics and turn off GAPI.
Hi, I just found the specifications of the QTv - which has our Diamond. It is here: http://www.qctconnect.com/products/qtv.html , but I am scared a lot. They say "High performance decoding 15-30 fps at 32kbps - 384kbps" but, this seems like a joke. CPUs like Intel PXA 270 even on 312MHZ can do better, PXA 270 on same frequency as Diamond (520 for Xscale) can decode even 1.6 Mb/s video which is about 7 times more. So, this Qualcomm chip is a joke! 4 years old CPU can beat this new one. I am terrified.
i did compare the image quality with coreplayer with a directdraw device like those you mentioned with my htc touch pro and while the benchmark using the qtv driver gives around 150% (using the same video of course) the image quality is really alot better, if you put the 2 devices side by side you will notice a really bad to good quality.
BUT is you put the diamond/touch pro video driver has direct draw, you have the same "bad quality image" but 280% of benchmark power...
So you have to choose, good quality but ""less fps""" ( perfectly working for me since the benchmark shows it can accelerate iven more the video) or less quality gaining nothing...
that specs does reflect my real world testing !
@adolfotregosa: I could not comprehend your 2nd paragraph. How do you get 280% benchmark power (even if its "bad quality")?
@pokevitek: I agree with adolfotregosa - quality with QTv is much better when it comes to scaling. Material looks like it was the correct resolution while in reality it is a little lower.
And btw: please add CorePlayer to the title so that everybody knows what the hell you're talk about!
coreplayer with directdraw driver (the same driver that's used on the other cpus) can accelerate my test video 280% on the touch pro
For me QTv seems to be the fastest setting - and luckily the nicest (meaning on the Diamond).
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For me QTv seems to be the fastest setting - and luckily the nicest (meaning on the Diamond).
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Got to agree with Chatty - coreplayer with that setting can play TV and other source rips natively (dont have to convert) with hardly any frames dropped (even with stereo bluetooth audio)
Any other setting i've tried gives nowhere near the performance
Now, I am little bit off, so, you say, that Xscale CPUs has worse image quality than QTv mode in Coreplayer? With all seting same except render mode? I must ask, if you compared that image quality, did you compare VGA to VGA device? And, what score can do you second testing device in CorePlayer using DirectDraw? I mean 280% to ... % . Anyway, only thing I am scared from is, that specs says that Diamond/Pro can encode video with 380 kb/s TOP and that is bad, compared to other ones with 1.6 Mb/s TOP. And today, there is NO movie in 380kb/s, but about 1.2Mb/s. And last, QTv is fastest mode on Diamond/Pro, so how is it possible that you had abou 130% more with it?
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Got to agree with Chatty - coreplayer with that setting can play TV and other source rips natively (dont have to convert) with hardly any frames dropped (even with stereo bluetooth audio)
Any other setting i've tried gives nowhere near the performance
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YES, this is what I say, specs on original Qualcomm site about MSM7201 says that QTv can encode up to 380kb/s! And you know that 380kb/s is NOTHING, it is like better MP3, but definetelly no like quality movie. And second, adolfotregosa said, that DirectDraw was about 280 comapred to QTv 150 % . And you just wrote that QTv is fastest. So, where is mistake?
Again, please adjust your thread title! (Push the edit button on your first post.)
My VGA avi's benchmark around 98% with QTv. DDraw 95%. Others below 90%.
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...says that QTv can encode up to 380kb/s! ... And second, adolfotregosa said, that DirectDraw was about 280 comapred to QTv 150 % . And you just wrote that QTv is fastest. So, where is mistake?
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At first, QTv decodes! Second, adolfotregosa might have tried some special file, bad ROM, different background tasks while testing...
my compared a Eten m800 that only allows direct draw with my htc touch pro
The video was the avi file found on the net of this video.. OK OK i forgot to tell, i used 100% scale, not best fit so i would have a comparition between the kaiser (qvga and tytn II qtv) eten m800 VGA and touch pro vga, that's why i got 280% like on the kaiser. It has to be a fair test. Not just lunch a benchmark comparing a 320x240 screen to a 4x more pixel screen.. with the same settings the htc touch pro was the fastest. Final
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyT1Lda9yPA
Ehm, no, this is not what I ment. Yes, I know, decodes, only word mistake, I know very well what is it. Next, I didnt want to edit thread name, becouse I mean that QTv specifications is a joke, I didnt mean CorePlayer etc... Just QTv technology. Next, adolfotregosa : I dont mean it bad, but I was talking about Intel Xscale CPUs, PXA 270,272,310,312... You compared Touch Pro to old Qualcomm CPU MSM7200, and Samsung CPU, in e-ten. Samsung is IMHO worst CPU for mebile devices, slowest. Qualcom MSM7200 is definetelly slow CPU. (compared To Xscale). But, there was a hope for Qualcomm, becou in many tests their 7201A can beat in spb benchmark even 624 MHz PXA 312 CPU. And that is NICE! And what is better, it is equal as 624 MHz PXA 312 in graphic benchmark. BUT, And what this thread is about - I just say, that Qualcomm says in 7201 specifications that QTv has High performance decoding 15-30 fps at 32kbps - 384kbps, but everyone know that 384 kb/s in really bad bitrate, so this Qualcomm chip is joke, becouse 384kb/s bitrate is for MP3, not for VGA video. That should have at least 1Mb/s bitrate. And like I said before, Xscale CPUs, even 4 years old can decode 1.6 Mb/s video, absolutelly smooth. 384kb/s - 1600kb/s ? CPU made in 2008 - CPU made in 2004? So, from this, it looks that Qualcomms QTv is very bad technology! Please discuss about this, abou QTv specifications, becouse I dont believe that this new chipset MSM7201 is so much worse than old PXA 270. Please read that Qualcomm page in my first post, and say something about it. I must did some mistake.
well did have a qtek 9000 a long time ago.. vga and intel @ 520 mhz and at that time my father had a tytn (samsung 400Mhz?? ) and god, it just cleaned the 9000, only if i put the cpu at 624 i could get close!
pokevitek i'm with you, ON paper the qualcomm sucks, on real life for me and it seams for more users , QTV it is just great !! better quality when compared to a intel cpu pda but not as fast ok.
Maybe you had high spectations on the device. I just came from a n95-8gb to a touch pro and man, what a diference!
hello
Xperia X1 has a Qualcomm MSM7200 528MHz processor and Omnia i900 has a 624MHz Marvell PXA312 processor , now the question is :
Xperia cpu has the top speed or Omnia Cpu ???
please answer with full detail and full info !!!
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ofcource omnia has a faster cpu
xperia in my opinion is suffering from not optimal firmware..
however i have seen a video online about xperia vs touch pro when switching landscape to port. , xperia wins..
what do u intend to use the phone for most impt.
CPU speed has nothing to do with actual performance, there are many variables there like RAM, video processor and many other things.
so if you want to know which is better between the two by comparing the CPU, then i think you are heading the wrong way.
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ofcource omnia has a faster cpu
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thanks but i need full details !!!
May i know why my Quake 3 only running 1fps on my xperia?
mcbyte_it said:
CPU speed has nothing to do with actual performance, there are many variables there like RAM, video processor and many other things.
so if you want to know which is better between the two by comparing the CPU, then i think you are heading the wrong way.
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you right !!!
i want to now xperia x1 has top speed and top performance or Omnia i900 !!!
xperia have 256mb ram and omnia have 128mb ram !!!
I also got an Fujitsu Siemens n560 with xscale 624MHz (pxa 27* i think) and its twice as fast as xperia playing vga avi.
If i compare the time they need to open /windows for example, the xperia is faster.
The qualcomm is made to run with extra graphics chip i think and is slow if it has to draw something itself.
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I also got an Fujitsu Siemens n560 with xscale 624MHz (pxa 27* i think) and its twice as fast as xperia playing vga avi.
If i compare the time they need to open /windows for example, the xperia is faster.
The qualcomm is made to run with extra graphics chip i think and is slow if it has to draw something itself.
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thanks ! nice !!
command , more info , you can do it !!!
CPU Topic only...
No brainer! 624MHz > 528MHz.. Omnia Wins!
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frankly, you can't compare CPU with MHZ. depends on the internal structure.. for example, u take a pentium 3 CPU 3GHZ vs intel core 2 3GHZ, intel core 2 will be WAY faster
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frankly, you can't compare CPU with MHZ. depends on the internal structure.. for example, u take a pentium 3 CPU 3GHZ vs intel core 2 3GHZ, intel core 2 will be WAY faster
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yes , you right !!! we can't compare CPU with MHZ !!!!
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yes , you right !!! we can't compare CPU with MHZ !!!!
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I have to disagree on this one.
Of course there are hundreds of important facts, how the CPU is processing the data, which structure it is using, what processes can be outsourced, how they are transferred and so on.
But these are concerns of the processor type and its environment.
The MHz say, how many operations the CPU can do per second. That is the only indication of its real speed.
Just think about the car industry. If you want to compare the power of an engine to another, everything that counts is the power. There are thousands of reasons why the car with the weaker engine could be faster than the other (maybe the stronger engine is built in a truck or what else).
But you wanted to compare the engines, so the most powerful wins.
I'm sure, the opener of the thread rather wanted to hear about the overall phone speed, but then he asked the wrong question.
i remember he powerpc cpu used to be lower than p4 but used to run a lot faster. i think the ram is the bigger factor between these 2 handsets. i know the x1 has a due core cpu, not sure on the other handset.
correct me if im wrong but these are both based on the same arm cpu right?
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CPU Topic only...
No brainer! 624MHz > 528MHz.. Omnia Wins!
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Just like the old AMD 64 series CPU's beat Intel Pentium 4 chips which ran at a way higher clockspeed?
Get the facts straight before posting ignorant posts like that. Pure clockspeed has nothing to do with overall performance of a CPU.
Non scientific answer here, but ive got both phones.
The omnia on the stock Vodafone UK rom was slow as ya like to the point where the phone was almost useless.
Both phones with cooked roms on them perform about the same.
Personal winner... cant choose, omnia better as a phone, x1 better as a pda, not amazed by either.
lol not amazed by either
Simple test. One is Divx certified and the other isn't. That's a true performance test.
Hi,
i used to have both phone and i have used them and test them a lot.
for processors mhz doesn't mean anything sine a long time now.That why industry has creatd mips instead of frequency . Why ? for instance take a pentium 1 266mhz and a pentium 1 mmx 266mhz. same frequency but p1 mmx was way faster because of optimise instructions inside the cpu itself. Don't forgot we speak for frenquency about cpu cycles. before it was 1 cpu cycle = one simple operation since mmx 1cpu cycle severals operations. So you can have a very high frequency processor which can do worst than a lesser frenquency one. Compare Pentium 2 400mhz with a G3 266 mhz. G3 had the same performance. Why? not the same technology inside. A core 2 duo 1.8gz will outperform an p4 4 ghz even with more than 2ghz frenquency difference!!!
So to come back to the thread. omnia 1 arm cpu. xperia qualcomm 2700a.
2700a = dual core processor with integrated gpu. 1 core for the pda 1 core for the phone and 1 core for the 3d graphic cards( omnia doesn't have an accelerated graphic card.) So with the actual firmware we can say that omnia has reached the maximum of its capabilities. Which is not true with the xperia.
in cpu benchmark the two are about equals. But xperia is faster in all the other domain like memory access ...better multitasking on xperia.
for example on omnia when using their touchscroll music player if you got a lot of music the music will stop during the scrolling because scrolling" iphone like" takes a lot of ram....
the truth is that it's better to have more ram and a less powerfull processor than having a powerfull processor and no ram.
after a lot of testing i have sold my omnia and kept my xperia.
it's only my opinion with the test i made.
cheers.
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Simple test. One is Divx certified and the other isn't. That's a true performance test.
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divx playback with the integrated player was shocking. Packets of pixels everywhere...thx coreplayer to play divx so well!! and the resolution is a bit too small 240*400.
only samsung phone are divx certified... maybe because the other construtor didn't ask for the certification.
hi....
im highly keen on gettin the diamond2 when it comes out (due to the guaranteed free upgrade to 6.5, and for under £400 there isn't much else that rivals it (correct me on this tho if i'm unaware of any rivals!))
BUT. doing research on the chipset i've heard and seen all sorts of posts about bad drivers for the qualcomm chipset that was used in the first touch diamond, about how the video performance was terrible, and how they underperformed compared to much older chips!
So........does anyone know whether the video performance of this diamond2 will be better/whether HTC have fixed these issues/whether the qualcomm chipset in the diamond2 is different to the one in the 1st diamond, or if its been updated or what?
basically.......is the phone going to work as expected! i currently have an ipaq 614c with an intel chipset, PXA270. I mean...is the qualcomm chipset in the diamond2 better??
iv'e also heard that the htc touch HD solved a lot of the problems or something because it had better drivers? if this is true.............the specs on the htc website show the touchHD as having a Qualcomm MSM 7201A. Whereas the Htc touch diamond2 has a Qualcomm MSM 7200A. Now..........whats the difference. Is the 7201A the decent correct chipset with good video performance (if all of the above is true), and the 7200 the crappy one??
until i have answers to all these questions.....i won't be able to focus on university
I think the 7201A is the a 7200 with certain features that would infrnge some US patents deactiviated.
Could be wrong?
The MSM7201A is just like the MSM7200, Graphics wise. Only difference is that HTC adds a "driver" for their so-called 3D...
Look into the Blackstone forums to see for yourself about the performance of the MSM7201A chipset. Then decide if you're still going to buy it. (I wouldn't, although i've got a Blackstone)
no MSM7200a is the world version
which include the ability to recoard vga at 30fps and the world 3g frequescies
MSM7201A is the american version which don't include the 30fps video capture because of a patent by broadcom and it use the american 3g frequescies
this is pure chip hardware and dont have anything to do with what
drivers htc provide
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no MSM7200a is the world version
which include the ability to recoard vga at 30fps and the world 3g frequescies
MSM7201A is the american version which don't include the 30fps video capture because of a patent by broadcom and it use the american 3g frequescies
this is pure chip hardware and dont have anything to do with what
drivers htc provide
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Hmm I live in France, bought a Touch HD, and got a MSM7201a chipste on my device from Orange France. Nothing related to the american market here.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I can do 3G with my phone so...
The last a in MSM7201a and MSM7200a indicates that it's a 528 MHz version, without a it's 400 MHz. I've read that HTC went back to the MSM7200a version because of the poor video recording performance on the MSM7201a chip. So, I guess it may be older, but it's better. That's why both the D2 and the Pro2 get that one.
I guess the chipset could be allright. But HTC hasn't been all that good in providing proper drivers (so it seems).
Although I'm beginning to wonder if the Qualcomm chipsets are actually able to do good 2d and 3d graphics.
For example, when comparing it to a Samsung Omnia with a 624mhz Marvell it's really a world of difference. Ofcourse the Omnia has a smaller resolution (wqvga instead of vga) but it's much much faster than my Diamond (in about everything).
Especially when playing a movie or something with quite a high resolution (divx for example). It's much faster than the Diamond, and usually plays everything without any problem. Even compared to a Diamond with Coreplayer (for the Qualcomm video support).
So.. in short. I would not quite put all my hope on HTC delivering some magical drivers which increase performance a lot.
I rather think the Diamond2 will be much like the original Diamond. But with extra software features like a new TouchFLO 3D and some extra/other hardware features.
Looking at HTC's track record I doubt 'new high performance qualcomm drivers' is not one of the new software features.
edit: Btw, obviously don't take my word on this. I'd say if you are interested in a Diamond2, wait for it to be available and give it a nice test run. Check it out for yourself and see if you like it and think the speed is good enough for you. In the end that's all what counts, if you are happy with your/the device or not!
Like you said , the Omnia is only 400x240 with a CPU clocked 100mhz higher. The msm7201a in the diamond is running slower and has to push X2.74 more pixels! (and 3x more on the wvga phones). it has nothing to do with drivers (the majority doesn't seem to understand that) now regarding video perf that's another story. Coreplayer support HW accel on the Omnia (PXA cpu) but not on the Qualcomm chips (the Qtv mode is only a hack to accel DDdraw overlay) Only
WMP/HTc album support HW accel (and only on MP4 files).
I'm certainly not expecting any dramatic speed enhancements from the D2. And like I said, the difference between the 00 and the 01 is, as I read elsewhere, the video recording speed, not the playback.
Take a look here
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp
Clearly HTC devices for some reason perform worse than 3 year old devices. These new devices will be no different as they are based on the same hardware. HTC are a joke.
So whats a good handy with good 2D/3D performance and Windows Mobile on it?
So...
Moby2kBug said:
So whats a good handy with good 2D/3D performance and Windows Mobile on it?
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I think the toshiba G01 with an 1Ghz Snapdragon CPU,
the HTC "Superstar" with Nvidia chipset
the HTC "Star" with Snapdragon CPU
the Acer F1 with an 800Mhz Snapdragon CPU and an ATI co-processor
Add if I missed one
All of them should run 3D-games etc. well
I would take the F1 from Acer, because it's sleek and elegant designed and only priced at 560€.
take a look: http://translate.google.com/transla...apdragon-cpu.html&sl=nl&tl=en&history_state0=
I've been playing around with Coreplayer by watching TV programs recorded by Vista media centre from a network share. It plays the video at 31 fps and looks absolutely stunning.
Also, screen rotation from landscape to portrait is instantaneous.
I am not too worried about the chipset when I see this performance.
It records video in VGA no problems and plays back no problem - to me, it has no problem with Video
From what I have read the difference between the 7201a and the 7200a is the fab process: 90 vs 65. So the 7201a should be slightly more power efficient (although if it is only the CPU I don't know what the net difference will be).
Why they switched is a mystery. At first I assumed that it was related to their supply side situation: They have plants that can build 7200a and rather than revampt them, they released a few devices that use the 7200a rather than the 7201a.
Ingore that one - the Topaz and Rhodium each have the 7201a. The 7200a was a typo.
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From what I have read the difference between the 7201a and the 7200a is the fab process: 90 vs 65.
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Nope That's what the "a" is for:
7200/7201 (not sure it exists): 90 nm process
7200a/7201a: 65 nm process
the 7201(if it exists)/7201a peculiarity is really due to a US patent. and this peculiarity is a downgrade...So if you have the choice between a 7200 and 7201, pick the 7200 if video recording is important to you, else pick randomly (or the cheaper ;-) ).
Whilst it may not be the fastest device in the world, for a 'Joke' company the reviews of the touch diamond2 are pretty good wouldnt you say?
Its a phone by the way!
PS. My touch diamond 2 has the 7200a, it says so in the 'Device information'
I don't have performance problems....movies in full DVD resolution are playing smooth, GPS lag isn't present, as on TD1...so I am copmpletely satisfied..
Actually speaking of GPS, it seems to work much much better on the TD2 than any others i have tried it against (kaiser/touch pro 2) I actually have close to full reception in buildings that the others wouldnt pick up on.
Video playback works great in media player with .mp4 files.
And the whole thing is just really responsive and fast at a stock rom vs the kaiser and touch pro 2.
Found the datasheet on MSM7200A, would be pleased if any of you guys check it and compare it to iPhone graphics chip
Xperia proccessor MSM7200A, with integrated graphics chip
iPhone graphics chip PowerVR MBX-Lite (Sorry no datasheet)
Since the most popular (because of its app store, games quantity) is iPhone,
And I must say iPhone games are really superb for a graphics aspect, imo best graphics in mobile phones/pda/smartphones field. (like Sims 3, NFS Undercover), I wonder if Xperia could do the same.
In GSM arena, I discovered that iPhone graphics chip is Powervr MBX-Lite (On iPhone & iPhone 3G), featuring OpenGL ES 1.1, OpenVG 1.0, Direct3D and of course full 2D/3D support, which, compared MSM7200A integrated ATi accelaration, well, really Im not a Pro out here, so I've just found a Datasheet on this.
Not to tell about the WM gaming industry, which is ermm "....", but the fact, hope, that we could have this...
Now we have almost everything - itje, who dedicated very much to xda (his roms, other deeds are priceless) ((ofcourse his Touch-IT testing team, who not only answer touch-it related questions but is active like everyhwere)) other Rom and active app's/ xda contributors like gtrab, smaberg, jackleung,Tnyynt, fingerkeyboard makers, HTC encoder makers, other guys, fixing our phone bugs, creating soft for us,moderators... I could go on and on
naming these great people, who raised up our xperia from stock to almost perfection.
So only issue is...(for me ) gaming.
Heard that EA, gameloft are porting iPhone games to newer WM devices, but, I dont think that these sources are...well...realistic.
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Been looking in forums, web, to be precise, everywhere, even Xperia X1 White Paper, but Still havent got clarified answer on what Graphics chip does Xperia use. So I made several assumptions, by checking the information a little bit.
As common answer is Xperia uses ATI Imageon 2700, in Wikipedia there's no such chip number as "2700", also, Products with Imageon well, there's no xperia!
Imo, variants Xperia graphics chip is "Imageon 2388/2380" or "Imageon 2300" (If its even Imageon) , just need you guys to clarify this.
Just why I am making this thread - since Xperia is very versatile, like music/internet/messaging/videos with qwerty and etc. the only problem (for me), well, not as a problem, but as a shortage - gaming.
We have ScuMMM, sNes, sega, even PSX emu's, and maybe one game, who shows what Xperia is capable of - Xtrakt.
Since the most popular (because of its app store, games quantity) is iPhone,
And I must say iPhone games are really superb for a graphics aspect, imo best graphics in mobile phones/pda/smartphones field. (like Sims 3, NFS Undercover), I wonder if Xperia could do the same.
In GSM arena, I discovered that iPhone graphics chip is Powervr MBX-Lite (On iPhone & iPhone 3G), featuring OpenGL ES 1.1, OpenVG 1.0, Direct3D and of course full 2D/3D support, which, compared to "Imageon 2388/2380", is "almost" equal (dunno about Direct3D, although I think its not supported by Imageon) , so if any of you would tell whats the Xperia graphics chip, we would clarify the fact that we "could" enjoy the iPhone graphics (^^)
Not to tell about the WM gaming industry, which is ermm "....", but the fact, hope, that we could have this...
Now we have almost everything - itje, who dedicated very much to xda (his roms, other deeds are priceless) ((ofcourse his Touch-IT testing team, who not only answer touch-it related questions but is active like everyhwere)) other Rom and active app's/ xda contributors like gtrab, smaberg, jackleung,Tnyynt, fingerkeyboard makers, HTC encoder makers, other guys, fixing our phone bugs, creating soft for us,moderators... I could go on and on
naming these great people, who raised up our xperia from stock to almost perfection.
So only issue is...(for me ) gaming.
Heard that EA, gameloft are porting iPhone games to newer WM devices, but, I dont think that these sources are...well...realistic.
My target is to clarify Xperia graphics potential, know full information about graphics chip
P.S. Yes I've searched xda/google for this like crazy. Sorry for this thread to go as a poem.
P.S.S. Yes Xperia is business class phone, but hey, why not to dream? It still has got one of the best HW on WM devices around.
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Could you maybe find out by taking the x1 apart and looking at all of the chips? I looked at some videos online but couldnt see the names on any chips - not sure if it would even say but it seems as if it could work - i looked around a bit too and i keep hearing about the Imageon 2300 but i cant confirm it sorry
the ati part is not a chip it's intergrated into the qualcomm cpu
http://www.google.dk/search?source=ig&hl=da&rlz=&q=MSM7200a+ati&btnG=Google-søgning&aq=f&oq=
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Well its not the 2300, here a quote from ati "Imageon 2300 integrates an advanced 2D and 3D graphics engine, MPEG-4 video decoder, JPEG encoding/decoding, and a 2 Mega pixel camera sub-system processing engine. With support for up to 2MB of ultra low-power SDRAM, it "
link:http://ati.amd.com/products/imageon2300/
since we have (being said) 128 mb shared ram and ive also read some where in some sheet that we have an tuned up gpu. (this is all speculative tho)
and why do the touch pro have 288 and we 256 ram? do we have a better gpu needing more ram ?
Updated the post, please check, now only we need guys to compare both phones graphics capability.
Chaosstorm said:
Well its not the 2300, here a quote from ati "Imageon 2300 integrates an advanced 2D and 3D graphics engine, MPEG-4 video decoder, JPEG encoding/decoding, and a 2 Mega pixel camera sub-system processing engine. With support for up to 2MB of ultra low-power SDRAM, it "
link:http://ati.amd.com/products/imageon2300/
since we have (being said) 128 mb shared ram and ive also read some where in some sheet that we have an tuned up gpu. (this is all speculative tho)
and why do the touch pro have 288 and we 256 ram? do we have a better gpu needing more ram ?
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Seems like SE/HTC made some kind of adjustment with these GPU on xperia's MSM7200A, wondering what, so your guessing might be right about better xperia's gpu, or its just that touch pro's all interface/oem/os modifications are more "hungry" for ram.
Just for curiosity, new released iPhone 3GS has PowerVR SGX535 graphics, also SE iDou has same chip from SGX family (530 one), so we can expect awesome graphics, chip's techinical capabilities are very big:
# next generation fully programmable universal scalable shader architecture
# exceeding requirements of OpenGL 2.0 and up to DirectX 10.1 Shader Model 4.1
Just that 3GS's chip will be better than iDou's (535 - 28MPolys/s , 530 - 14 MPolys/s)
soo..... where can we find an D3D drivers for X1i?