Hi, I just found the specifications of the QTv - which has our Diamond. It is here: http://www.qctconnect.com/products/qtv.html , but I am scared a lot. They say "High performance decoding 15-30 fps at 32kbps - 384kbps" but, this seems like a joke. CPUs like Intel PXA 270 even on 312MHZ can do better, PXA 270 on same frequency as Diamond (520 for Xscale) can decode even 1.6 Mb/s video which is about 7 times more. So, this Qualcomm chip is a joke! 4 years old CPU can beat this new one. I am terrified.
i did compare the image quality with coreplayer with a directdraw device like those you mentioned with my htc touch pro and while the benchmark using the qtv driver gives around 150% (using the same video of course) the image quality is really alot better, if you put the 2 devices side by side you will notice a really bad to good quality.
BUT is you put the diamond/touch pro video driver has direct draw, you have the same "bad quality image" but 280% of benchmark power...
So you have to choose, good quality but ""less fps""" ( perfectly working for me since the benchmark shows it can accelerate iven more the video) or less quality gaining nothing...
that specs does reflect my real world testing !
@adolfotregosa: I could not comprehend your 2nd paragraph. How do you get 280% benchmark power (even if its "bad quality")?
@pokevitek: I agree with adolfotregosa - quality with QTv is much better when it comes to scaling. Material looks like it was the correct resolution while in reality it is a little lower.
And btw: please add CorePlayer to the title so that everybody knows what the hell you're talk about!
coreplayer with directdraw driver (the same driver that's used on the other cpus) can accelerate my test video 280% on the touch pro
For me QTv seems to be the fastest setting - and luckily the nicest (meaning on the Diamond).
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For me QTv seems to be the fastest setting - and luckily the nicest (meaning on the Diamond).
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Got to agree with Chatty - coreplayer with that setting can play TV and other source rips natively (dont have to convert) with hardly any frames dropped (even with stereo bluetooth audio)
Any other setting i've tried gives nowhere near the performance
Now, I am little bit off, so, you say, that Xscale CPUs has worse image quality than QTv mode in Coreplayer? With all seting same except render mode? I must ask, if you compared that image quality, did you compare VGA to VGA device? And, what score can do you second testing device in CorePlayer using DirectDraw? I mean 280% to ... % . Anyway, only thing I am scared from is, that specs says that Diamond/Pro can encode video with 380 kb/s TOP and that is bad, compared to other ones with 1.6 Mb/s TOP. And today, there is NO movie in 380kb/s, but about 1.2Mb/s. And last, QTv is fastest mode on Diamond/Pro, so how is it possible that you had abou 130% more with it?
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Got to agree with Chatty - coreplayer with that setting can play TV and other source rips natively (dont have to convert) with hardly any frames dropped (even with stereo bluetooth audio)
Any other setting i've tried gives nowhere near the performance
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YES, this is what I say, specs on original Qualcomm site about MSM7201 says that QTv can encode up to 380kb/s! And you know that 380kb/s is NOTHING, it is like better MP3, but definetelly no like quality movie. And second, adolfotregosa said, that DirectDraw was about 280 comapred to QTv 150 % . And you just wrote that QTv is fastest. So, where is mistake?
Again, please adjust your thread title! (Push the edit button on your first post.)
My VGA avi's benchmark around 98% with QTv. DDraw 95%. Others below 90%.
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...says that QTv can encode up to 380kb/s! ... And second, adolfotregosa said, that DirectDraw was about 280 comapred to QTv 150 % . And you just wrote that QTv is fastest. So, where is mistake?
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At first, QTv decodes! Second, adolfotregosa might have tried some special file, bad ROM, different background tasks while testing...
my compared a Eten m800 that only allows direct draw with my htc touch pro
The video was the avi file found on the net of this video.. OK OK i forgot to tell, i used 100% scale, not best fit so i would have a comparition between the kaiser (qvga and tytn II qtv) eten m800 VGA and touch pro vga, that's why i got 280% like on the kaiser. It has to be a fair test. Not just lunch a benchmark comparing a 320x240 screen to a 4x more pixel screen.. with the same settings the htc touch pro was the fastest. Final
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyT1Lda9yPA
Ehm, no, this is not what I ment. Yes, I know, decodes, only word mistake, I know very well what is it. Next, I didnt want to edit thread name, becouse I mean that QTv specifications is a joke, I didnt mean CorePlayer etc... Just QTv technology. Next, adolfotregosa : I dont mean it bad, but I was talking about Intel Xscale CPUs, PXA 270,272,310,312... You compared Touch Pro to old Qualcomm CPU MSM7200, and Samsung CPU, in e-ten. Samsung is IMHO worst CPU for mebile devices, slowest. Qualcom MSM7200 is definetelly slow CPU. (compared To Xscale). But, there was a hope for Qualcomm, becou in many tests their 7201A can beat in spb benchmark even 624 MHz PXA 312 CPU. And that is NICE! And what is better, it is equal as 624 MHz PXA 312 in graphic benchmark. BUT, And what this thread is about - I just say, that Qualcomm says in 7201 specifications that QTv has High performance decoding 15-30 fps at 32kbps - 384kbps, but everyone know that 384 kb/s in really bad bitrate, so this Qualcomm chip is joke, becouse 384kb/s bitrate is for MP3, not for VGA video. That should have at least 1Mb/s bitrate. And like I said before, Xscale CPUs, even 4 years old can decode 1.6 Mb/s video, absolutelly smooth. 384kb/s - 1600kb/s ? CPU made in 2008 - CPU made in 2004? So, from this, it looks that Qualcomms QTv is very bad technology! Please discuss about this, abou QTv specifications, becouse I dont believe that this new chipset MSM7201 is so much worse than old PXA 270. Please read that Qualcomm page in my first post, and say something about it. I must did some mistake.
well did have a qtek 9000 a long time ago.. vga and intel @ 520 mhz and at that time my father had a tytn (samsung 400Mhz?? ) and god, it just cleaned the 9000, only if i put the cpu at 624 i could get close!
pokevitek i'm with you, ON paper the qualcomm sucks, on real life for me and it seams for more users , QTV it is just great !! better quality when compared to a intel cpu pda but not as fast ok.
Maybe you had high spectations on the device. I just came from a n95-8gb to a touch pro and man, what a diference!
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hi all,
I read the review of the kaiser and wondered whether the better graphics really make a difference.
Can anyone explain the difference to me?
Thanks
Sam.
The difference is that they will be better (!)
So for instance, if you have a Hermes you'll almost certainly have experienced slowdown while watching videos or playing games which will (hopefully) be a thing of the past with the Kaiser.
Even if it still isn't perfect (and what is?) it should at least be a significant improvement...
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The difference is that they will be better (!)
So for instance, if you have a Hermes you'll almost certainly have experienced slowdown while watching videos or playing games which will (hopefully) be a thing of the past with the Kaiser.
Even if it still isn't perfect (and what is?) it should at least be a significant improvement...
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Yeah I thought the Hermes had bad video rendering. I was all like, "Sweet a 400mhz proc now I can watch video flawlessly". Not so. I think my Wizard did video slightly better then the Hermes. OC'd that is...
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Yeah I thought the Hermes had bad video rendering. I was all like, "Sweet a 400mhz proc now I can watch video flawlessly". Not so. I think my Wizard did video slightly better then the Hermes. OC'd that is...
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well hey take a look at these benchmark results.
it shows HUGE improvement. 6 times better graphics. that includes gaming and video.
http://www.modaco.com/index.php?showtopic=256117&st=20
the graphics improvements only help if the app was written with the qualcomm gpu in mind...all the older apps run slow gfx wise unless they use GDI
I really don't watch much video, but I HATE my Hermes taking FOREVER to switch from portrait to landscape (and back, especially when I miss calls because my pouch magnet makes it switch, then it has to switch back, and then load the phone app, then the call is gone!!). Watching the online video review the switching seemed faster, but far from instananeous.
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I really don't watch much video, but I HATE my Hermes taking FOREVER to switch from portrait to landscape (and back, especially when I miss calls because my pouch magnet makes it switch, then it has to switch back, and then load the phone app, then the call is gone!!). Watching the online video review the switching seemed faster, but far from instananeous.
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well im happy to quote from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1394910&posted=1#post1394910
that it takes only .5 seconds for the keyboard screen rotation.
i will know if the graphics are better.
I put my text in the smallest view it has,
and when its changed to landscape mode,
we will see if the graphics are better,
and not that it really matters to me.
As far as I have looked on benchmarks, the Qualcomm CPU @ 400MHz is some 10-20% better than a Samsung @400 MHz (TyTN), Which in turn is arond 20% better than a Xscale 270 @ 400MHz... That means that the Qualcomm can be considered to have performace close to 600MHz of a XScale CPU... At least as far as the benchmarks available from several sources tell us. Now, if it really has that 128MB of RAM, then it will be really really interesting, and the first thing XDA folks would do, of course, would be to pump up the page pool to try to eke out a little bit of extra performance...
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As far as I have looked on benchmarks, the Qualcomm CPU @ 400MHz is some 10-20% better than a Samsung @400 MHz (TyTN), Which in turn is arond 20% better than a Xscale 270 @ 400MHz... That means that the Qualcomm can be considered to have performace close to 600MHz of a XScale CPU... At least as far as the benchmarks available from several sources tell us. Now, if it really has that 128MB of RAM, then it will be really really interesting, and the first thing XDA folks would do, of course, would be to pump up the page pool to try to eke out a little bit of extra performance...
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you sure its only 10-20%? i mean they were saying it's 6 times better than the 8525's graphical index.
Performance comparison to 8525
I was wondering if anyone knew if the OS played a part in the 8525 vs 8925 comparison at http://www.modaco.com/HTC-Kaiser-hands-review-t256117.html&st=20?
Could be a factor for some of the performance boost?
I am interested in the extra memory and the built in GPS. (I hope the battery will last with all the bells and whistles!)
Mark
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I was wondering if anyone knew if the OS played a part in the 8525 vs 8925 comparison at http://www.modaco.com/HTC-Kaiser-hands-review-t256117.html&st=20?
Could be a factor for some of the performance boost?
I am interested in the extra memory and the built in GPS. (I hope the battery will last with all the bells and whistles!)
Mark
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hey i started that thread on modaco!
yes the OS plays a small part in performance boost, wm6 is generally faster than wm5, but the main thing is the Qualcomm chip boosting the peformance.
Hi,
i don't know if everybody knows, you can play PSX 1 games on the PockePC devices...
Diamond has a fast Processor VGA Screen so thats good conditions too play games... the bad ones are the missing buttons... but with FPSEce there is also a onscreen Controller so that should not be the problem...
Heres the offical Homepage:
http://www.fpsece.net/
i prefer to use the .96 Beta from Forum!!
heres a vid of running ff7 on a pocketpc:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OTulLVj3Ww
i'm totally impressed with the psx bt controller... i didn't saw/or know that such things exist... so you dont need hardware buttons
i have testet FF7 today too but i don't get it too run...
the Bios starts well.. FPS over 100... but after that noting happens...
i have tryed different img what i could found for download... my original ff7 cd is lost somewhere... so i can't try to rip it off by my self... maybe someone can try this... (Should be done with alcohol as i read somewhere because all other destroys the images to work with the emu...)
any news for this emulator?
COOL! could you add G-sensor support to this? say to press the center button and then use the g-sensor to detect motion and control the direction?
PS2 games me ay also possibly be playable on the diamond,
Remember the Diamond has a 528 MHz processor, while the PS2 has only 294MHz processor
specs at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2
sorry.. if u are saying the diamond is faster than a ps2.. its not.. the processor speed is simply not the same
for e.g.
1ghz on pentium and 1ghz on pentium 4 with HT.. which is faster? de latter rite...
plus ps2 has a well powered GPU.. diamond has a dedicated video chip but its not v powerful.. merely for touchflo 3D...
try installing pocket pc games like tony hawkk pro skater 2 which was also released on the ps1 and u know wad im toking about.. even with hardware acceleration the game isnt as smooth as playing on the ps1 itself..
actually
actually yes and no to a few people above me
the ps2 actually has 2 cpus a 299mhz cpu and a 150mhz co-processor
these would be the hardest to emulate the 299mhz cpu is actually the easy one the 150mhz cpu is a vector (floating point) cpu which arm cpus (like the diamonds) do very slowly however the graphics card is a 16 pipe 147mhz 4mb graphics card which belive it or not we have more power than (the diamond has a 333mhz 12 pipe gfx card with 16mb of faster ram) but the problem is that there is no driver for the card on the diamond for developers like me to use.
so the short story is yes it is doable even at 30fps if they could use the gfx card to emulate the co-processor but it would take a lot of development time and skills to do and some help from HTC to do it in a relistic time...
In my experience, you need a CPU with at least 10 times the clock speed of the chip you're trying to emulate, unfortunately. That's before you take dedicated graphics processors etc. into account. It will be a good while before we see PS2 games being run on phones.
i managed to get destruction derby working on my trinity at ~24 fps which slowed down to 13 fps when you touched the screen. i am sure the diamond could do better
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i managed to get destruction derby working on my trinity at ~24 fps which slowed down to 13 fps when you touched the screen.
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yup, the infamous touchscreen cpuusage bug HTC hasn't been bothered fixing for 2.5 years...
I've tried the emulator with... Tekken 3 . Just 12-13 fps in portrait mode, so it works but not playable. If you try it in landscape mode, it doesn't work. And the onscreen pad is too small on Diamond screen.
It'd be nice if everyone posted
Games: | Options enabled/disabled | FPS
No need for compatibility, since it's available on the website.
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actually yes and no to a few people above me
the ps2 actually has 2 cpus a 299mhz cpu and a 150mhz co-processor
these would be the hardest to emulate the 299mhz cpu is actually the easy one the 150mhz cpu is a vector (floating point) cpu which arm cpus (like the diamonds) do very slowly however the graphics card is a 16 pipe 147mhz 4mb graphics card which belive it or not we have more power than (the diamond has a 333mhz 12 pipe gfx card with 16mb of faster ram) but the problem is that there is no driver for the card on the diamond for developers like me to use.
so the short story is yes it is doable even at 30fps if they could use the gfx card to emulate the co-processor but it would take a lot of development time and skills to do and some help from HTC to do it in a relistic time...
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So, Diamond still doesent have video drivers? It must have some. And only 16 MB RAM ? Co-procesor has 64 MB RAM, does he?
I've tried the emulator with FF7 but 27 fps in portrait mode
isnt 27fps a very good and playable speed? or is the problem because thats in portrait mode?
27 fps is very slow and not playable
27 is good speed, I played llots of games on my PC on 22 FPS.
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27 is good speed, I played llots of games on my PC on 22 FPS.
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Hahahaha lol. Thats funny.
so i would say 27fps is not awesome but it's defenitly more than enough for FF7.
a average cam used for TV captures about 25f/s
It has to be at least 21fps if you want to cheat the eye.
always posted in this forum...read this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409990 i've made various test with FFIX
I could not get the fpsece run on my diamond. Although I have copied bios file in bios folder (I've already have a PS 1 so everything is legal) and try some game. But after trying to open .iso's diamond stucks for 15 seconds and nothing happens.... Any ideas?
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isnt 27fps a very good and playable speed? or is the problem because thats in portrait mode?
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Yes it is! Especially when you consider that its max Fps on the actual PS1 was 30Fps
hello
Xperia X1 has a Qualcomm MSM7200 528MHz processor and Omnia i900 has a 624MHz Marvell PXA312 processor , now the question is :
Xperia cpu has the top speed or Omnia Cpu ???
please answer with full detail and full info !!!
thanks
ofcource omnia has a faster cpu
xperia in my opinion is suffering from not optimal firmware..
however i have seen a video online about xperia vs touch pro when switching landscape to port. , xperia wins..
what do u intend to use the phone for most impt.
CPU speed has nothing to do with actual performance, there are many variables there like RAM, video processor and many other things.
so if you want to know which is better between the two by comparing the CPU, then i think you are heading the wrong way.
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ofcource omnia has a faster cpu
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thanks but i need full details !!!
May i know why my Quake 3 only running 1fps on my xperia?
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CPU speed has nothing to do with actual performance, there are many variables there like RAM, video processor and many other things.
so if you want to know which is better between the two by comparing the CPU, then i think you are heading the wrong way.
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you right !!!
i want to now xperia x1 has top speed and top performance or Omnia i900 !!!
xperia have 256mb ram and omnia have 128mb ram !!!
I also got an Fujitsu Siemens n560 with xscale 624MHz (pxa 27* i think) and its twice as fast as xperia playing vga avi.
If i compare the time they need to open /windows for example, the xperia is faster.
The qualcomm is made to run with extra graphics chip i think and is slow if it has to draw something itself.
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I also got an Fujitsu Siemens n560 with xscale 624MHz (pxa 27* i think) and its twice as fast as xperia playing vga avi.
If i compare the time they need to open /windows for example, the xperia is faster.
The qualcomm is made to run with extra graphics chip i think and is slow if it has to draw something itself.
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thanks ! nice !!
command , more info , you can do it !!!
CPU Topic only...
No brainer! 624MHz > 528MHz.. Omnia Wins!
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frankly, you can't compare CPU with MHZ. depends on the internal structure.. for example, u take a pentium 3 CPU 3GHZ vs intel core 2 3GHZ, intel core 2 will be WAY faster
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frankly, you can't compare CPU with MHZ. depends on the internal structure.. for example, u take a pentium 3 CPU 3GHZ vs intel core 2 3GHZ, intel core 2 will be WAY faster
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yes , you right !!! we can't compare CPU with MHZ !!!!
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yes , you right !!! we can't compare CPU with MHZ !!!!
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I have to disagree on this one.
Of course there are hundreds of important facts, how the CPU is processing the data, which structure it is using, what processes can be outsourced, how they are transferred and so on.
But these are concerns of the processor type and its environment.
The MHz say, how many operations the CPU can do per second. That is the only indication of its real speed.
Just think about the car industry. If you want to compare the power of an engine to another, everything that counts is the power. There are thousands of reasons why the car with the weaker engine could be faster than the other (maybe the stronger engine is built in a truck or what else).
But you wanted to compare the engines, so the most powerful wins.
I'm sure, the opener of the thread rather wanted to hear about the overall phone speed, but then he asked the wrong question.
i remember he powerpc cpu used to be lower than p4 but used to run a lot faster. i think the ram is the bigger factor between these 2 handsets. i know the x1 has a due core cpu, not sure on the other handset.
correct me if im wrong but these are both based on the same arm cpu right?
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No brainer! 624MHz > 528MHz.. Omnia Wins!
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Just like the old AMD 64 series CPU's beat Intel Pentium 4 chips which ran at a way higher clockspeed?
Get the facts straight before posting ignorant posts like that. Pure clockspeed has nothing to do with overall performance of a CPU.
Non scientific answer here, but ive got both phones.
The omnia on the stock Vodafone UK rom was slow as ya like to the point where the phone was almost useless.
Both phones with cooked roms on them perform about the same.
Personal winner... cant choose, omnia better as a phone, x1 better as a pda, not amazed by either.
lol not amazed by either
Simple test. One is Divx certified and the other isn't. That's a true performance test.
Hi,
i used to have both phone and i have used them and test them a lot.
for processors mhz doesn't mean anything sine a long time now.That why industry has creatd mips instead of frequency . Why ? for instance take a pentium 1 266mhz and a pentium 1 mmx 266mhz. same frequency but p1 mmx was way faster because of optimise instructions inside the cpu itself. Don't forgot we speak for frenquency about cpu cycles. before it was 1 cpu cycle = one simple operation since mmx 1cpu cycle severals operations. So you can have a very high frequency processor which can do worst than a lesser frenquency one. Compare Pentium 2 400mhz with a G3 266 mhz. G3 had the same performance. Why? not the same technology inside. A core 2 duo 1.8gz will outperform an p4 4 ghz even with more than 2ghz frenquency difference!!!
So to come back to the thread. omnia 1 arm cpu. xperia qualcomm 2700a.
2700a = dual core processor with integrated gpu. 1 core for the pda 1 core for the phone and 1 core for the 3d graphic cards( omnia doesn't have an accelerated graphic card.) So with the actual firmware we can say that omnia has reached the maximum of its capabilities. Which is not true with the xperia.
in cpu benchmark the two are about equals. But xperia is faster in all the other domain like memory access ...better multitasking on xperia.
for example on omnia when using their touchscroll music player if you got a lot of music the music will stop during the scrolling because scrolling" iphone like" takes a lot of ram....
the truth is that it's better to have more ram and a less powerfull processor than having a powerfull processor and no ram.
after a lot of testing i have sold my omnia and kept my xperia.
it's only my opinion with the test i made.
cheers.
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Simple test. One is Divx certified and the other isn't. That's a true performance test.
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divx playback with the integrated player was shocking. Packets of pixels everywhere...thx coreplayer to play divx so well!! and the resolution is a bit too small 240*400.
only samsung phone are divx certified... maybe because the other construtor didn't ask for the certification.
hi....
im highly keen on gettin the diamond2 when it comes out (due to the guaranteed free upgrade to 6.5, and for under £400 there isn't much else that rivals it (correct me on this tho if i'm unaware of any rivals!))
BUT. doing research on the chipset i've heard and seen all sorts of posts about bad drivers for the qualcomm chipset that was used in the first touch diamond, about how the video performance was terrible, and how they underperformed compared to much older chips!
So........does anyone know whether the video performance of this diamond2 will be better/whether HTC have fixed these issues/whether the qualcomm chipset in the diamond2 is different to the one in the 1st diamond, or if its been updated or what?
basically.......is the phone going to work as expected! i currently have an ipaq 614c with an intel chipset, PXA270. I mean...is the qualcomm chipset in the diamond2 better??
iv'e also heard that the htc touch HD solved a lot of the problems or something because it had better drivers? if this is true.............the specs on the htc website show the touchHD as having a Qualcomm MSM 7201A. Whereas the Htc touch diamond2 has a Qualcomm MSM 7200A. Now..........whats the difference. Is the 7201A the decent correct chipset with good video performance (if all of the above is true), and the 7200 the crappy one??
until i have answers to all these questions.....i won't be able to focus on university
I think the 7201A is the a 7200 with certain features that would infrnge some US patents deactiviated.
Could be wrong?
The MSM7201A is just like the MSM7200, Graphics wise. Only difference is that HTC adds a "driver" for their so-called 3D...
Look into the Blackstone forums to see for yourself about the performance of the MSM7201A chipset. Then decide if you're still going to buy it. (I wouldn't, although i've got a Blackstone)
no MSM7200a is the world version
which include the ability to recoard vga at 30fps and the world 3g frequescies
MSM7201A is the american version which don't include the 30fps video capture because of a patent by broadcom and it use the american 3g frequescies
this is pure chip hardware and dont have anything to do with what
drivers htc provide
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no MSM7200a is the world version
which include the ability to recoard vga at 30fps and the world 3g frequescies
MSM7201A is the american version which don't include the 30fps video capture because of a patent by broadcom and it use the american 3g frequescies
this is pure chip hardware and dont have anything to do with what
drivers htc provide
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Hmm I live in France, bought a Touch HD, and got a MSM7201a chipste on my device from Orange France. Nothing related to the american market here.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I can do 3G with my phone so...
The last a in MSM7201a and MSM7200a indicates that it's a 528 MHz version, without a it's 400 MHz. I've read that HTC went back to the MSM7200a version because of the poor video recording performance on the MSM7201a chip. So, I guess it may be older, but it's better. That's why both the D2 and the Pro2 get that one.
I guess the chipset could be allright. But HTC hasn't been all that good in providing proper drivers (so it seems).
Although I'm beginning to wonder if the Qualcomm chipsets are actually able to do good 2d and 3d graphics.
For example, when comparing it to a Samsung Omnia with a 624mhz Marvell it's really a world of difference. Ofcourse the Omnia has a smaller resolution (wqvga instead of vga) but it's much much faster than my Diamond (in about everything).
Especially when playing a movie or something with quite a high resolution (divx for example). It's much faster than the Diamond, and usually plays everything without any problem. Even compared to a Diamond with Coreplayer (for the Qualcomm video support).
So.. in short. I would not quite put all my hope on HTC delivering some magical drivers which increase performance a lot.
I rather think the Diamond2 will be much like the original Diamond. But with extra software features like a new TouchFLO 3D and some extra/other hardware features.
Looking at HTC's track record I doubt 'new high performance qualcomm drivers' is not one of the new software features.
edit: Btw, obviously don't take my word on this. I'd say if you are interested in a Diamond2, wait for it to be available and give it a nice test run. Check it out for yourself and see if you like it and think the speed is good enough for you. In the end that's all what counts, if you are happy with your/the device or not!
Like you said , the Omnia is only 400x240 with a CPU clocked 100mhz higher. The msm7201a in the diamond is running slower and has to push X2.74 more pixels! (and 3x more on the wvga phones). it has nothing to do with drivers (the majority doesn't seem to understand that) now regarding video perf that's another story. Coreplayer support HW accel on the Omnia (PXA cpu) but not on the Qualcomm chips (the Qtv mode is only a hack to accel DDdraw overlay) Only
WMP/HTc album support HW accel (and only on MP4 files).
I'm certainly not expecting any dramatic speed enhancements from the D2. And like I said, the difference between the 00 and the 01 is, as I read elsewhere, the video recording speed, not the playback.
Take a look here
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp
Clearly HTC devices for some reason perform worse than 3 year old devices. These new devices will be no different as they are based on the same hardware. HTC are a joke.
So whats a good handy with good 2D/3D performance and Windows Mobile on it?
So...
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So whats a good handy with good 2D/3D performance and Windows Mobile on it?
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I think the toshiba G01 with an 1Ghz Snapdragon CPU,
the HTC "Superstar" with Nvidia chipset
the HTC "Star" with Snapdragon CPU
the Acer F1 with an 800Mhz Snapdragon CPU and an ATI co-processor
Add if I missed one
All of them should run 3D-games etc. well
I would take the F1 from Acer, because it's sleek and elegant designed and only priced at 560€.
take a look: http://translate.google.com/transla...apdragon-cpu.html&sl=nl&tl=en&history_state0=
I've been playing around with Coreplayer by watching TV programs recorded by Vista media centre from a network share. It plays the video at 31 fps and looks absolutely stunning.
Also, screen rotation from landscape to portrait is instantaneous.
I am not too worried about the chipset when I see this performance.
It records video in VGA no problems and plays back no problem - to me, it has no problem with Video
From what I have read the difference between the 7201a and the 7200a is the fab process: 90 vs 65. So the 7201a should be slightly more power efficient (although if it is only the CPU I don't know what the net difference will be).
Why they switched is a mystery. At first I assumed that it was related to their supply side situation: They have plants that can build 7200a and rather than revampt them, they released a few devices that use the 7200a rather than the 7201a.
Ingore that one - the Topaz and Rhodium each have the 7201a. The 7200a was a typo.
pidsw said:
From what I have read the difference between the 7201a and the 7200a is the fab process: 90 vs 65.
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Nope That's what the "a" is for:
7200/7201 (not sure it exists): 90 nm process
7200a/7201a: 65 nm process
the 7201(if it exists)/7201a peculiarity is really due to a US patent. and this peculiarity is a downgrade...So if you have the choice between a 7200 and 7201, pick the 7200 if video recording is important to you, else pick randomly (or the cheaper ;-) ).
Whilst it may not be the fastest device in the world, for a 'Joke' company the reviews of the touch diamond2 are pretty good wouldnt you say?
Its a phone by the way!
PS. My touch diamond 2 has the 7200a, it says so in the 'Device information'
I don't have performance problems....movies in full DVD resolution are playing smooth, GPS lag isn't present, as on TD1...so I am copmpletely satisfied..
Actually speaking of GPS, it seems to work much much better on the TD2 than any others i have tried it against (kaiser/touch pro 2) I actually have close to full reception in buildings that the others wouldnt pick up on.
Video playback works great in media player with .mp4 files.
And the whole thing is just really responsive and fast at a stock rom vs the kaiser and touch pro 2.
Hi, I am just wondering, new Diamond 2 has 7200A CPU, but Diamond has 7201A CPU. I heard that 7200A has VGA video recording option, but is there some other difference? Like is 7200A faster in other thigs? Can it play videos faster than 7201A?
i think u are mistaken about diamond 2 cpu
diamond 2 still use msm 7201A
and msm 72xxA family still sucks when it comes to playing video
htc doesn't want to deliver the full potential of msm 72xxA cpu
its just my opinion though....
sorry 4 my bad english
albert_betet said:
i think u are mistaken about diamond 2 cpu
diamond 2 still use msm 7201A
and msm 72xxA family still sucks when it comes to playing video
htc doesn't want to deliver the full potential of msm 72xxA cpu
its just my opinion though....
sorry 4 my bad english
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Check the facts before you post. You are discrediting yourself. Diamond 2 does come with 7200A while Diamond comes with 7201A processor.
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/touchdiamond2/specification.html
http://www.htc.com/au/product/touchdiamond/specification.html
7200A is 90nm
7201A is 65nm
Is cheaper, may be preferred.
Because Diamond2, will be cheaper than Diamond.
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and msm 72xxA family still sucks when it comes to playing video
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I agree to a degree but it seems like they've at least added hardware acceleration for MP4 video via media player... It handles MP4 video very well...
Lord_BlackAdder said:
Check the facts before you post. You are discrediting yourself. Diamond 2 does come with 7200A while Diamond comes with 7201A processor.
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/touchdiamond2/specification.html
http://www.htc.com/au/product/touchdiamond/specification.html
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sorry
but in my region(SEA)
several days ago i checked the specs and it come with msm7201A!!!!
and today i checked again it revised to msm7200A??
weird
and i check the data in SEA region not europe,
maybe the sea region of htc post a little mislead about diamond 2 cpu specs
i dunno about that
owziee said:
I agree to a degree but it seems like they've at least added hardware acceleration for MP4 video via media player... It handles MP4 video very well...
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yeah
fortunately there is a converter for diamond hd and it works like a charm with diamond
but i think diamond with wm player(or core player) should play all kind of video file(not hd though) without lag out of the box(without converter)
because there is ati gpu in there and 64mb reversed for graphical process
and the cpu is strong enough(i think.....) to handle the process
or maybe because WinMO doesn't like msm72xxA family?