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My brother is gonna enter the ANDROID contest he has good It knowledge but the contest will reward mostly original and break through innovative idea
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so we're gathering any comment or idea on what you would like to see on your mobile.Thanks in advance!
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I would like to see Windows Mobile 6 on my phone so I can program in C# with the .NET framework that I'm already familiar with and have the tools for
I'm really not sure what developers will take up Android as it is just something extra to learn to achieve something that is already possible to do anyway. Open source or closed source doesn't make a difference to how well adopted a device OS becomes with developers, it's the tools and how well they are supported and it will take very much work for Android to have the sort of tools we see available for the compact framework in my opinion.
While MS has it bashers it certainly doesn't have a lack of support from developers as you only have to look at all the applications that are available for Windows Mobile, many are free, many not costing very much. Who needs yet another incompatible mobile device?
I don't see Android doing anything much any time soon. Just my opinion.
Regards
Phil
A good article to read for an opinion contrary to the OH MY GOD ANDROID IS COOL GOOGLE WILL REVOLUTIONIZE THE MARKET mentality:
Article on Microsoft Watch
private69 said:
My brother is gonna enter the ANDROID contest he has good It knowledge but the contest will reward mostly original and break through innovative idea
so we're gathering any comment or idea on what you would like to see on your mobile.Thanks in advance!
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LOL. Who isn't joining the ANDROID contest? I know I will. A cool $25k no questions asked, maybe even $300k or more? I'm sure I'll spend a week trying to make something for that!
Asking other people for ideas is a bit lame though. Essentially you are asking them to provide you with the grail to heaps of cash, for what?
I wanna see Android on my Wing! or matter of fact any HTC Device!
tell your brother to put Android on HTC, and im sure he'll win lots of money!
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A good article to read for an opinion contrary to the OH MY GOD ANDROID IS COOL GOOGLE WILL REVOLUTIONIZE THE MARKET mentality:
Article on Microsoft Watch
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What the? It's interesting how the spin can go isn't it?
Hell I don't know how preditory Google is, BUT, I don't recall Microsoft giving the source code out to Windows Mobile, and then offering 10 MILLION dollars in an OPEN invitation to to the world of developers in a challenge to make "Andriod" do as they will "it" to do with their insight and skills.
What a crock article...
RemE said:
What the? It's interesting how the spin can go isn't it?
Hell I don't know how preditory Google is, BUT, I don't recall Microsoft giving the source code out to Windows Mobile, and then offering 10 MILLION dollars in an OPEN invitation to to the world of developers in a challenge to make "Andriod" do as they will "it" to do with their insight and skills.
What a crock article...
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I agree - what the!
I take the Android name to mean a device that will serve your needs? Perhaps as opposed to WM where you spend a lot of time fighting the device just to get it to do what you want...
I think MS have reason to be worried - my understanding is that Android is the first serious attempt at a (open!) GUI layer for Linux running on a ARM/XScale mobile device architecture. Pretty much invading the space that MS have had to themselves for a while now.
Linux has been capable of running on these devices for some time, but usually has been limited to embedded applications as there hasn't been the impetus to seriously develop it for consumer applications. I believe that the iPhone uses a Linux core, but Apple shot themselves in the foot a bit by making the GUI layer closed.
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Hell I don't know how preditory Google is, BUT, I don't recall Microsoft giving the source code out to Windows Mobile, and then offering 10 MILLION dollars in an OPEN invitation to to the world of developers in a challenge to make "Andriod" do as they will "it" to do with their insight and skills.
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Google are simply paying for development through prizes rather than trying to recruit the traditional way, may even be some tax benefits in giving away prize money in this way. I
What is in it for Google is getting the Google search page on millions of mobile phones, which of course will increase their advertising revenues.
Ironically when Microsoft give away software or pre-set their own search engine on Windows desktops they get into no end of trouble for it, yet Google is doing the same thing surely?
Google or Microsoft, free open source with prize money or a license fee and employed developers, either way it's just each company continuing their revenue streams in the way they see fit.
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Phil
if anyone wants to help on running android on a axim x50v or another htc device go to this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=344076
I would love to see a Geocaching app for android. I currently use smache. So there is an idea for you.
www.geocaching.com
www.cyancanyon.com/software/smache/
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if anyone wants to help on running android on a axim x50v or another htc device go to this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=344076
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cool
thanks.
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I think the point behind the development prize, is its a great way to kick start the platform, because Google can go 'look at all the software options available', something which took time to get going on many platforms. Just look at Symbian, which has taken a couple of years to start getting some good apps, and Palm is suffering (in part) with developers switching to the Microsoft platform, hence some of the thinking behind switching some Palm hardware to run WinMobile. I've owned a number of smart phones over the years (Nokia 9110 anyone?) and they've all suffered from a tiny developer network - even java mobile apps aren't always consistent across devices.
Hopefully we'll see similar development work happen in the way that XDA Developers has helped the WM cause - it certainly influenced my decision to stick with WM for my recent refresh, and I'm certainly intending to checkout the devices when they're released (at around the same time as my contract is up for renewal) to see if its worth migrating.
Also, another point is that Android is based around Java, so anyone with Java development experience should be able to pick up and run with the platform. And the SDK and dev environment is FREE! Id like to try writing apps for WM, but I only want to tinker, so can't justify buying Visual Studio or any of the other payed for development environments. I'm tinkering with MortScript, but its not exactly a proper SDK!
I for one can't wait to see the devices that Android runs on, and see the applications that come about because of this contest!
When will we have the Android platform
on the wm6
I have a At&t Tilt
I've this phone from 2 weeks.
I know very well wm devices. I was a wm programmer.
I can't believe that I spent 800€ to buy a phone slower than my previous HP hw6915.
Scrolling pages is really slow and awful to see.
But this morning... I tried to show a video with TCPMP... incredible. Video playback is really bad!!!! And this is a 400mhz device!!!
Why we bought this device?
Sure, modem, bluetooth, wifi, ... works good... but they works good also on my HP IPAQ and on many other wm devices.. that are really cheaper!!!!
I can understand why there are a lot of tytn II used on sell. Maybe into some days there will be also mine. I prefer to loose 400€ but I can't use this device... I'm really hungry!
I know xda-developer is working hard to understand how to realize video driver.. but I can't believe we have to wait after have payed 800€. It's like to buy a car that can go only at 50km/h but a future upgrade can let me to go at 200!!
Thank you for sharing this unique information...
I beg to differ
I would have to disagree, aside from the driver issue (which is well known in this community) the Tytn II is fast (with a good ROM) relatively powerful and exceptionally highly spec'd, especially if you consider that the handset has been out for some time.
In many people’s opinion it still hold its own to every other handset that has been released since, impressive in context of the pace of development in the pda market right now.
It is easy to take one component of the Tytn II and compare it to another to show the Tytn II as being inferior, however I consider this to be a flawed comparison, you should consider the phone as a complete entity before making any comparisons with another handset. I would probably say that my old Imate Jam, when stripped down to a clean ROM, was faster than anything that has been released before or since, however, specification wise it doesn’t hold a candle to the the Tytn II.
As a personal observation I have not had any speed problems, even running multiple processor intensive apps. I think this goes to show how much of a difference a cooked ROM could make to the handset in terms of speed (and functionality).
I have HyperDragon`s newest ROM and god that this is fast, I thought that there wouldn`t be faster ROM after L26_DV9, but there obviously is. So I haven`t got any of those problems you have there mate, except the driver issue >.<
Cooked ROM, epic win.
I didn't buy a phone to be rebuild at my home.
I bought a finished ready to be sold phone at 800€.
You all have changed your ROM wasting a lot of time and with the risk to brick your phone. And now? If now you've problems with hardware faults you'd have problems with htc warranty.
It would be as if I buy a car in mounting kit... so "hello, here are bumpers, here are wheels, ... please mount it but pay!!!".
When you buy a wm device you buy hardware+wm6 customization for that hardware. If you found roms that can go faster than original one it means that original rom is not good!
With new roms you're not adding new features ... you're only trying to use your hardware device as better as possible.
But in 800€ I paid the development of both hardware and software. If some of them doesn't work is awful!!!!
Try to imagine if, for example, tytn ii speaker doesn't work... many and many items would be sent back for repair. For software??? what can we do? Send tytn II back to htc saying that device is slow? We can't do anything than try to waste our time to upgrade it with non official rom!!!
Simply... MAD!
I can only assume that, as someone who is a WM programmer, you forgot to do some online research before you forked out for your device.
You would have found many posts on here about how you can speed it up with different ROMs but if it isnt up to standard out-of-the-box, then more fool you for buying it the first place.
I don't have any sympathy for people who don't use the information and reviews available online to make a judgement before they buy.
OF COURSE original rom isn`t good since it is directly from ms >.<
With new roms you are adding new features for the os, or that depends from programs which comes with it.
And if you ask me it isn`t time wasting when you update crappy and ****ty original winmo rom to a faster one.
E: Wow, you had expensive tytn, here in Finland is a shop which sells it 650e.
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I can only assume that, as someone who is a WM programmer, you forgot to do some online research before you forked out for your device.
You would have found many posts on here about how you can speed it up with different ROMs but if it isnt up to standard out-of-the-box, then more fool you for buying it the first place.
I don't have any sympathy for people who don't use the information and reviews available online to make a judgement before they buy.
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Well spoken.
This guy is just a
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You all have changed your ROM wasting a lot of time and with the risk to brick your phone.
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And most of us would probably have done the same thing even if the stock rom wasn't a pile of ****e
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I didn't buy a phone to be rebuild at my home.
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Sounds like he should get an iphone. A true "wm Programmer" would love to have the opportunity to modify, customize and bring the device to the brink of "borkage".
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Damn, I had to explain my colleagues why I was suddently laugthing
800 Euros????
holy crap!! You should have bought that car you're on about.... )
now, i'm hungry too, where's my burger.....
on a serious note - don't throw it away yet... wait for android )
Dude the whole point of buying a WM based mobile is to reprogram it, update it,...
Yes you might go and get another brand of WM phone but for someone like me TYTN II by far is the most stable handset I ever had.
FabX doesnt read ( if you look at most of his other posts here, you can clearly tell he didnt even read our WIKI first ) and I have no sympathy for people who dont first research. These phones, even without the 3d drivers, completely smash the market of other WM phones available ( minus the upcoming HTC's ). I have been using WM cell phones for quite a time, and my HP 6315, HP 6515, Blackberry 8830 just to name a few ( all work devices ) could NEVER NEVER NEVER hold up against the performance of my Hermes ( Titan/ 8525 ) let alone my Kaiser. Sorry to tell this guy but if he doesnt realize what he purchased, then he doesnt deserve the technology and should downgrade to an Iphone ........ That way our forum can get rid of the kind of people here who dont contribute
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Sorry to tell this guy but if he doesnt realize what he purchased, then he doesnt deserve the technology and should downgrade to an Iphone ........
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now that's funny..
i've always had wm devices, and just recently sold my tilt and purchased a nokia e71 and love it! my biggest reason for selling it was battery life, (had to charge it at least once in the middle of the day) and adding a extended battery was making a huge device even bigger and heavier. this is my first s60 phone and love it so far. not as many programs as wm, and i'm still getting used to it, but going 2-3 days without a charge is amazing!
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that's what I am doing, s60 till android.
Thanks all for offensive pictures/text..
Fortunately this is a free forum and you (AND ALSO ME) can write what you want...
However, obviously if I bought a wm device again is to change it every time and reprogram it for each need. You can believe me or not... but I'm quite happy to make all try I like.
BUT my observation is that there was nothing on TYTN II specifications that explain me that this device is sold without video driver! Look at picture on htcclassaction regarding "drivers not included" ... this is what I meant.
Thank you very much to all.
FabX said:
Thanks all for offensive pictures/text..
Fortunately this is a free forum and you (AND ALSO ME) can write what you want...
However, obviously if I bought a wm device again is to change it every time and reprogram it for each need. You can believe me or not... but I'm quite happy to make all try I like.
BUT my observation is that there was nothing on TYTN II specifications that explain me that this device is sold without video driver! Look at picture on htcclassaction regarding "drivers not included" ... this is what I meant.
Thank you very much to all.
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OMG he thinks Babies are offensive.
The point is, that you didn't read anything about the Kasier other then the specs, for a phone that is pretty much a year old you could have found a treasure trove of reviews and write-ups. All of which would have said, there are missing video drivers, and then point to a class action lawsuit.
Your reasoning is pretty lame and unoriginal, so stop crying and play with your phone and have fun.
I will never understand why people come on here to tell us that the phone is so slow ect ect,.. Don't you people realize that this site is the formost authority on this phone, HTC comes here to fix ****.
ps. I think babies are cute.
Nobody buys a new phone without doing research, right?
I went to Google, and using the search term "HTC TyTn II" got a link to Wikipedia for our device. And wouldn't ya know that bullet point #5 reads: "Video driver issues".
Was that so hard?
This should help with the redness and irritation caused by not having video drivers.
It appears that HTC is getting in to the bigger screen scene also. They posted videos of the phone on youtube and i think it looks quite nice. I hope a carrier adopts it in the states. It will be nice for AT&T to fill in the void of not getting the bigger screen on the Galaxy S II.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QoLuoboJPM&feature=feedu
hmm...
HTC already released the Ruby/Amaze which is exactly like the Sensation but upgraded
why would they even make a Sensation XL when the Ruby/Amaze is already better & bigger?
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So it's the HTC titan except with a lower quality OS? Yeah, no thanks.
The titan would be great if it didnt have WP7...
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The titan would be great if it didnt have WP7...
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I can imagine which one is going to get more sales
In my opinion quality and user experience come before tweaking. That's just me though.
Ok, i have to call bs now. Wtf HTC? Why are you making tons of stupid iterations of the same friggin' phone? Cheap ass CEO...
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In my opinion quality and user experience come before tweaking. That's just me though.
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You obviously feel threatened by android. You do realize there are WP7 forums on this site, yet you still choose to troll the android forums EVERY DAY. And you are still completely oblivious to the fact that you are a joke. You are like a gay man in a straight bar...we just aren't buying what you are selling buddy...
I like the 4.7" screen running Android 2.3.4
Yeah but 480x800? You are kidding me.
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You obviously feel threatened by android. You do realize there are WP7 forums on this site, yet you still choose to troll the android forums EVERY DAY. And you are still completely oblivious to the fact that you are a joke. You are like a gay man in a straight bar...we just aren't buying what you are selling buddy...
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perhaps you're unaware because of a random bout of illiteracy or because you spent so much time on that oh so witty retort, but this is the general section. The android forums are about 20 forums below this one. I know scrolling through that text on your android device will remind you of how laggy it is but I suppose that's the price you pay for battery sucking live wallpapers on an OS about as innovative as winmo 5.
Everyone of your posts are exactly the same and you never have any support. No one cares what you have to say, seriously. Just remember, in today's society, majority rules. I really don't give a sh*t about what OS you think is better. I am a firm believer that each OS has its plus side, and different OS's are for different people. The problem that I have here is that you come off as a complete douchebag and say stupid sh*t just to start arguments.
Perhaps I should clarify my reasoning. When the Titan was first mentioned with specs and all HTC was promoting the fact that it was hardware exclusive to wp7, we held that hardware exclusivity for what? 3 days? HTC wouldn't exist if not for winmo and now they **** in Microsoft's face, that's annoying to say the least.
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Perhaps I should clarify my reasoning. When the Titan was first mentioned with specs and all HTC was promoting the fact that it was hardware exclusive to wp7, we held that hardware exclusivity for what? 3 days? HTC wouldn't exist if not for winmo and now they **** in Microsoft's face, that's annoying to say the least.
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Well, to be fair, MS shat in their face by foisting such a poor selling OS on them, denying them the right to improve it even a little bit, then gave that right to Nokia.
None of the manufacturers take WP7 seriously, it's just a price they have to pay to produce more popular phones running Android without having to pay MS as much.
Still, it gives them a small pilot group to beta test hardware with before developing it for their real customers.
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Well, to be fair, MS shat in their face by foisting such a poor selling OS on them, denying them the right to improve it even a little bit, then gave that right to Nokia.
None of the manufacturers take WP7 seriously, it's just a price they have to pay to produce more popular phones running Android without having to pay MS as much.
Still, it gives them a small pilot group to beta test hardware with before developing it for their real customers.
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Nokia, developers of the most reliable hardware on the market seem to take it quite seriously and honestly once that ship is afloat I'd see no reason for Microsoft to waste times with any other OEM outside of perhaps Samsung as that partnership offers virtually unlimited possibilities and an unrivaled patent catalogue. No one hoisted a poor selling OS on anyone, Microsoft offered a device that is on par in most categories and even exceeds in some with iPhone and blows android out of the water. The biggest issue is fanboyism, people have invested too much in iOS and/or android and Microsoft is late to the market, however their entry is not invalid by any means.
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Nokia, developers of the most reliable hardware on the market seem to take it quite seriously and honestly once that ship is afloat I'd see no reason for Microsoft to waste times with any other OEM outside of perhaps Samsung as that partnership offers virtually unlimited possibilities and an unrivaled patent catalogue. No one hoisted a poor selling OS on anyone, Microsoft offered a device that is on par in most categories and even exceeds in some with iPhone and blows android out of the water. The biggest issue is fanboyism, people have invested too much in iOS and/or android and Microsoft is late to the market, however their entry is not invalid by any means.
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Lets look at the facts shall we?
In order to sell Android handsets without being taken to court, manufacturers have to pay MS, MS have agreed that if they make WP7 phones then they don't have to pay as much to make Android phones. In some publicised cases it's $5 a phone, sell a million handsets and you've made an extra $5 million compared with if you hadn't entered into the deal with MS.
Microsoft had a market share of just 1.6% at the end of Q2 of this year, compared to 4.9% the year before (WP7 only making 3% at the end of 2010 so in 6 months since then it's share has nearly halved). To make that clear, fewer microsoft phones were sold this year than last year, which means the majority of those who were using WM are either sticking with them or have deserted MS due to WP7 not being what they want.
So to recap in simple terms:
Making a few WP7 devices saves a significant amount of money when considering the numbers of Android phones manufactures are selling instead.
The abysmal sales of WP7 make it clear that that it is poor selling, and as we've discussed in one of your other troll threads you can't even blame cost difference as WP7 devices were priced on a par with similar spec'd Android devices.
Actually, either way they pay, they just have to pay less if they also sign on to make windows phones. As for the market share decline, my only reply can be "duh!" at the end of quarter 2 wp7 was not a worldwide OS, it still isn't and is only now being released to a lot of major countries. Statistics are saying that by the end of q4 we will be in the mid-upper 4 percent, of course this is speculation but a number of the people who are paid to predict this kind of crap are coming up with the same numbers, this would be a hell of an increase in comparison to androids first year but then again if android hadn't beaten the iPhone to Verizon then android would've likely been scrubbed out by now. I see more wp7 devices in public daily and when windows 8 comes out and we have all that sexy integration I don't think there will be any reason to use another OS.
Really people? You managed to make a thread about the Sensation XL into a WP7 Vs Android discussion. Kudos!
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Really people? You managed to make a thread about the Sensation XL into a WP7 Vs Android discussion. Kudos!
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i'm glad i'm not the only one that noticed the topic went sideways
and here i was hoping to hear more why the XL version might be better than what is already out there
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2395315,00.asp#fbid=46CYcVkiOEC
Ultimately, though, Fadell's point of view won out. Apple acquired a couple of chip companies, PA Semi and Intrinsity, and created its own chips, the A4 and later A5. Jobs explains why he didn't go with Intel for the iPad and iPhone in the book.
"There were two reasons we did not go with them" he said. "One was that they are just really slow. They are like a steamship, not very flexible. We are used to going pretty fast. Second is that we just did not want to teach them everything, which they could go and sell to our competitors,"
Jobs also voiced other criticisms. He said Intel's "graphics suck" and that its processors don't have the same system-on-a-chip efficiencies of the A4/A5.
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Designed by Apple manufactured by Samsung, you don't see Apple or any other company give credit to Foxconn either so what's the difference here.
Illicit Hero said:
Designed by Apple manufactured by Samsung, you don't see Apple or any other company give credit to Foxconn either so what's the difference here.
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Not to mention, it behooves Samsung to get along well with Apple to keep their lucrative business. No way would samsung disrupt that flow of money from Apple. Apple could smack Samsung around all day long, every day, and Sammy would overlook it just to keep the extreme Apple revenue coming.
Samsung might be stuck working with Apple as part of a contract. Regardless of the open lawsuits. I would love to see Samsung pull the rug out from under Apple and watch them squirm.
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Samsung might be stuck working with Apple as part of a contract. Regardless of the open lawsuits. I would love to see Samsung pull the rug out from under Apple and watch them squirm.
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I'm pretty sure Samsung makes more money on selling parts to Apple than they make on their mobile phones so that would not be int their best interest.
All of these statements by Jobs just remind me that he never got any official degree in anything and it shows.
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I'm pretty sure Samsung makes more money on selling parts to Apple than they make on their mobile phones so that would not be int their best interest.
All of these statements by Jobs just remind me that he never got any official degree in anything and it shows.
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Shows what? How huge he built Apple or his opinion on products that sells like hotcakes? You don't need a paper to tell you that you are smart.
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Shows what? How huge he built Apple or his opinion on products that sells like hotcakes? You don't need a paper to tell you that you are smart.
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Glad you said it because I was going to. I know and knew more intelligent and inventive people who never had a modern education than anyone who did have. The only thing a paper gives a person is an ego.
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Shows what? How huge he built Apple or his opinion on products that sells like hotcakes? You don't need a paper to tell you that you are smart.
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I'm not saying he wasn't smart, just uneducated in that he always acted in ways that were more consumer-like than professional. Definitely not in any way downplaying the role he had on shaping the industry to what it is today nor any of his achievements.
People tend to not remember where ARM originally came from. Maybe Steve forgot Apple sold its share of it.
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People tend to not remember where ARM originally came from. Maybe Steve forgot Apple sold its share of it.
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The mother of mobiles (well, sort of, maybe distant great, great grandmother)
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People tend to not remember where ARM originally came from. Maybe Steve forgot Apple sold its share of it.
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Are you saying Apple owned ARM? If so, I learn something new every day.
See the wiki for "ARM Holdings" on why ARM was created in the first place.
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See the wiki for "ARM Holdings" on why ARM was created in the first place.
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Wow! Samsung basically is using Apple technology in their chips. Not only Samsung, but also a great many other companies use Apple tech in their products. Samsung owes a lot to Apple and they repay them by ripping them off.
It has always been said the Asians do a good job of copying the hard work of Western civilized nations. Much of the technology in the world came from the USA.
Well to be honest the USA is a bully to any small nation really. E.g. Cuba they have so many doctors and scientists there that could sell their medicine around the world and prosper themselves, but nope, the USA still keep the embargo on them so they're practically stuck. Or Mexico or any third world country, big corporations to medium sized corporations, and even the government sometimes, tend to exploit the labour force in a third world country. Or did you read the article of where US scientists went to a south American country and exploited the populace by administering them STD's and other diseases in "hopes of finding a cure for another." (Note the people did not even know what the scientists were gong to do with them)
So why did I say the USA is a bully, well because of their bullying, they are practically leaving the smaller nations or less prosperous nations, heck even some 1st world countries too, stuck or unable to develop. And since they are unable to develop, they have no new findings. Hence why USA is one of the only nations to have new findings, because they are the ones who allow or disallow countries to prosper.
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Well to be honest the USA is a bully to any small nation really. E.g. Cuba they have so many doctors and scientists there that could sell their medicine around the world and prosper themselves, but nope, the USA still keep the embargo on them so they're practically stuck. Or Mexico or any third world country, big corporations to medium sized corporations, and even the government sometimes, tend to exploit the labour force in a third world country. Or did you read the article of where US scientists went to a south American country and exploited the populace by administering them STD's and other diseases in "hopes of finding a cure for another." (Note the people did not even know what the scientists were gong to do with them)
So why did I say the USA is a bully, well because of their bullying, they are practically leaving the smaller nations or less prosperous nations, heck even some 1st world countries too, stuck or unable to develop. And since they are unable to develop, they have no new findings. Hence why USA is one of the only nations to have new findings, because they are the ones who allow or disallow countries to prosper.
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Well, for one thing, your talking about what the governments do and politics. No politics allowed. I had a thread that wasn't about politics, but because someone decided it was, the thread was closed. So if you want this thread to remain open, keep the politics out.
Ah I see. Well I stated what I stated to simply disprove the implication that the USA is the greatest nation with the greatest minds.
But on topic now, that is pretty cool that Apple invented ARM.
Kailkti said:
Ah I see. Well I stated what I stated to simply disprove the implication that the USA is the greatest nation with the greatest minds.
But on topic now, that is pretty cool that Apple invented ARM.
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ARM existed long before Apple's involvement.
They were one of the major RISC cpu developers.
All that happened was Apple needed a cpu for the Newton (remember that? Many people don't), ARM's RISC processor was nearly up to the job but they didn't have the financial resources to get it there, so Apple invested in them and they created a new company.
Apple provided money and the requirements, ARM and VLSI continued to design and create the CPUs.
For instance, many Brits will remember the BBC Master (first to use an ARM processor in certain models in 86, I miss those orange function keys) and Archimedes/A series, and the horrible RiscPC (powerful computer with very little software support that with "a flick of a switch" could be turned into a P60 dog with lots of software but not the grunt to run it, so basically the worst of both worlds).
I grew up with the BBC B with a sideways ROM/RAM board giving 48KB rather than the standard 32KB
Apple had been unsuccessful at getting into the UK Education market so attempted to ride on the back of Acron and set up Xemplar Software. It failed and they relocated to Eire after Acron sold their shares. I know several people who worked for Xemplar at the time.
By then ARM had long realised that it needed to expand the use of it's processors as schools were moving on to PCs, hence why they branched out into set top boxes for satelite and cable, and mobile devices.
fact trivia
1st ARM CPU = MOS 6502
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS_Technology_6502
ARM = Acorn RISC Machine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM
6502 is truly going back. Not sure I really want to remember the Vic 20/C64 days.
Ahhh oki. Thanks for clearing that up.
I personally think it is damaging to Google/Android that so many people didn't get the Nexus 4. Perhaps not damaging right away, but this phone is a hot seller, demand has shown so, not to mention it's a Nexus. Finally even the not-techy users and people switching from iPhone will finally have access that is a Nexus device with a good spec and frequent updates. (Now I know that there have been previous Nexus devices but overall they were not nearly as attractive of an option as this device, I think we can all agree.)
This phone will allow people to see Android in its current most updated state, without even having to throw on a leaked or custom ROM, like you frequently have to do with a Non-Nexus device, in order to just stay current with Android.
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The funny thing is.. this device is great for DEV's, great for modding/custom ROM's etc... but it's ACTUALLY ALSO good for people who don't want to have to search for leaked updates/newer custom ROM's etc because it has OTA updates frequently/right away, so it's simple for them to stay current with Android, without having to think or research anything. So this phone has two overall target markets IMO.
http://www.talkandroid.com
I can't tell you how many people I know personally, that bought into Android and ditched it for an iPhone because they bought a Non-Nexus device that never received updates and was stuck on an old version of Android for FAR TOO LONG.. (in other words, garbage..)
We all know stock Android has come a long way in the last year. Simply too many people have been discouraged from Android with the Non-Nexus experience/fragmentation/lack of updates on other devices.
http://cultofandroid.cultofmaccom.netdna-cdn.com
If Google flooded this phone to the market (like they should have), because of the attractive price point, spec etc. I personally think that it would capture so many more potential users, who perhaps would not have taken the leap toward Android ordinarily, or maybe to Android but not Nexus - And that's what is important. Little do many know how good the Nexus experience is, until they experience it for themselves. It will change their perspective of Android IMO. The Nexus experience and frequent updates, is what will give Android a really good name. Especially with the features of an OS like Android 4.2 and everything since 4.0. (which have been nothing short of amazing)
Now of course people will still be able to buy this phone is due time, and it's not the end of the world, but time and technology move quick. People don't tend to wait, especially when there are so many other options. And how do we know when they next batches are going to be released? could be 2 weeks? 3 days? 1 month? more? Will it sell out again? Maybe.
Nexus phones come out every year. Therefore every week, or month that passes that these users don't have this phone in their hands, the perceived value of the device for the end user will drop, because it will simply be that much less time until the next Nexus is released.
What I'm really getting at here is that I think it would be in Google's best interest to release more Nexus 4 phones as soon as possible. Simply as a good marketing strategy/"seed for growth" for Android. Making it a reality that Nexus phones will go into the hands of many more users, will be the eye-opener for people to realize Android is the best mobile operating system currently. Especially when I can see on this board alone that many people are switching from Non-Nexus devices to this Nexus. Sadly, other Non-Nexus devices won't stand true to this name, because it's not up to Google to update them, it's mostly up to the manufacturers and service providers to release updates, which as we know doesn't always go ahead as planned.
If I was standing behind Google Android, I know what I would do.
Every point in your post would be irrelevant if the release datr was pushed back. So just image the release date is in 2 weeks and you shall be happy, no?
Also, logistic is not advanced enough to be able to warehouse 30million unit and ship them all in 2 days.
Seriously, put yourself in the shoes of someone in an alternate world where the release was like the 25th. It really won't make you cry as much.
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Every point in your post would be irrelevant if the release datr was pushed back. So just image the release date is in 2 weeks and you shall be happy, no?
Also, logistic is not advanced enough to be able to warehouse 30million unit and ship them all in 2 days.
Seriously, put yourself in the shoes of someone in an alternate world where the release was like the 25th. It really won't make you cry as much.
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30 mil units lol.. buddy u clearly haven't understood possibly how little devices they had stocked.
talking about a later release date and a launch date that completely failed are two completely different things, you're clearly missing the point here
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If I was standing behind Google Android, I know what I would do.
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We don't. What would you do? You'd make more devices appear out of thin air?
Your entire argument is based around the conspiracy theory that Google is not trying to do whatever they can as fast as they can. You don't know that, you can't know that. They (and LG) can only produce devices so fast.
Although hype and demand are great, every time you have a stock-out situation, you potentially lose a sale. People get annoyed, they change their minds, or they spend their money on something else.
As far as I'm concerned, money in hand today is better than potential future sales.
man, a lot of butt hurt people who didn't get the Nexus 4 are spewing rage threads left and right.
Demand > Supply.
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We don't. What would you do? You'd make more devices appear out of thin air?
Your entire argument is based around the conspiracy theory that Google is not trying to do whatever they can as fast as they can. You don't know that, you can't know that. They (and LG) can only produce devices so fast.
Although hype and demand are great, every time you have a stock-out situation, you potentially lose a sale. People get annoyed, they change their minds, or they spend their money on something else.
As far as I'm concerned, money in hand today is better than potential future sales.
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oh because mass production facilities in this day and age, cannot provide more devices than what Google offered on launch?! come on.. look at how many iPhones can sell on a launch. They had the power to make more devices, and they could have taken preorders, and then still claimed "sold out" on the launch day if they really wanted to pull the "marketing scheme"
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oh because mass production facilities in this day and age, cannot provide more devices than what Google offered on launch?! come on.. look at how many iPhones can sell on a launch. They had the power to make more devices, and they could have taken preorders, and then still claim "sold out" on the launch day if they really wanted to pull the "marketing scheme"
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None of that is valid without evidence of exactly how many devices Google had prepared for launch. And if it was a unreasonably low amount, what factors impacted the availability of additional units.
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None of that is valid without evidence of exactly how many devices Google had prepared for launch. And if it was a unreasonably low amount, what factors impacted the availability of additional units.
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my point was not what factors impacted the availability of additional units, but the fact that when people are delayed a product with only a 1-year useful life span with it's successor only 1 year away, many will start looking elsewhere.
Plus if you read all what I wrote, I was explaining the importance of putting Nexus phones in the hands of as many users as possible, so they don't have to be disappointed with a non-Nexus device and lack of updates again...
We all know Google had the power to release more units on launch date. Regardless of how many units they did or didn't release.
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my point was not what factors impacted the availability of additional units, but the fact that when people are delayed a product with only a 1-year useful life span with it's successor only 1 year away, many will start looking elsewhere.
Plus if you read all what I wrote, I was explaining the importance of putting Nexus phones in the hands of as many users as possible, so they don't have to be disappointed with a non-Nexus device and lack of updates again...
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I agree that getting a Nexus device in the hands of as many people as possible is necessary for Android's success. Definitely. And frankly I'm quite convinced that Google does not care about the other players in the Android market at this point or about the openness, etc. of Android nearly as much as people think (or would like to think). They've got one thing in their sights: Apple. And they'd be crazy not to. They are well aware that 35 different Android phones all poorly-skinned and slowly updated is never going to compete. The problem with these forums is developers think they sell phones. They don't. They are the 1%. Consumers don't care about many, many of the things you look for in a phone but they buy the most of them while being the least vocal. They are the money.
What I disagree with is that the implication that Google intentionally did not have enough units on hand. Forecasting supply and demand is very difficult, and the fastest way to sink the ship is to have expensive hardware laying around - especially, like you said, when that hardware only has a 1-year lifespan and you're already selling it at a discount.
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I agree that getting a Nexus device in the hands of as many people as possible is necessary for Android's success. Definitely. And frankly I'm quite convinced that Google does not care about the other players in the Android market at this point or about the openness, etc. of Android nearly as much as people think (or would like to think). They've got one thing in their sights: Apple. And they'd be crazy not to. They are well aware that 35 different Android phones all poorly-skinned and slowly updated is never going to compete. The problem with these forums is developers think they sell phones. They don't. They are the 1%. Consumers don't care about many, many of the things you look for in a phone but they buy the most of them while being the least vocal. They are the money.
What I disagree with is that the implication that Google intentionally did not have enough units on hand. Forecasting supply and demand is very difficult, and the fastest way to sink the ship is to have expensive hardware laying around - especially, like you said, when that hardware only has a 1-year lifespan and you're already selling it at a discount.
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Firstly, glad to see you agree that Nexus devices are the key to Androids success.
I see your points on having over-stock can be detrimental to a companies success, however pre-orders can forecast sales extremely accurately. After-all it's a pre-order.
And in regards to your comments on developers buying phones, being nothing but a small percent.. I agree. BUT I was emphasizing how I think that with this Nexus device, finally we do have a device that has many of the features that the average consumers do look for in a phone, therefore potentially generating massive amounts of money for Google, if they had understood that this phone is no longer targeting only a niche market of dev's. And quite frankly I think it was obvious to see that this device had reached out to more target markets than prior Nexus devices, it doesn't take Einstein to figure that one out. And again, pre-orders would tell us just that.
I doubt Google will care what a couple of impatient little babies are complaining about. "I couldnt order the new phone the first day it came out and everyone tried to order at the same time."
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I doubt Google will care what a couple of impatient little babies are complaining about. "I couldnt order the new phone the first day it came out and everyone tried to order at the same time."
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lol somebody didn't read the first post, AT ALL.
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I see your points on having over-stock can be detrimental to a companies success, however pre-orders can forecast sales extremely accurately. After-all it's a pre-order.
And in regards to the comments on developers buying phones, I was emphasizing how I think that with this Nexus device, finally we do have a device that has many of the features that the average consumers do look for in a phone, therefore potentially generating massive amounts of money for Google, if they understood that this phone is no longer targeting only a niche market of dev's. And quite frankly I think it was obvious to see that this device had reached out to more target markets than prior Nexus devices, it doesn't take Einstein to figure that one out.
And again, pre-orders would tell us just that.
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Sorry, the comments about developers were mostly a personal rant. I get frustrated when people are too close to the issue to fully see it. Ironically, while vanilla Android and a Nexus device are the most developer-friendly, the are most the most consumer-friendly too. When I moved to CM10 on my S3, I found a) the interface more pleasing and much more cohesive, b) easier to navigate. Samsung really went out of their to bury options and settings in TouchWiz and their idea of pleasing interface design is questionable. Must be painful for their developers to actively make something less appealing and more complicated. I digress.
I do feel that splitting stock between pre-orders and "walk-up" sales would've been a good strategy. Especially because you could've had devices in peoples hands for launch day, which would've meant an actual launch day rather than just being available to purchase -- which isn't excited at all from a marketing standpoint.
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I do feel that splitting stock between pre-orders and "walk-up" sales would've been a good strategy. Especially because you could've had devices in peoples hands for launch day, which would've meant an actual launch day rather than just being available to purchase -- which isn't excited at all from a marketing standpoint.
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This is one of the things that failed before with the N7 release. Some stores jumped the gun and started selling earlier than Google sent out preorders.
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This is one of the things that failed before with the N7 release. Some stores jumped the gun and started selling earlier than Google sent out preorders.
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Not talking about stores. Was more of along the lines that if they take pre-orders in October with the release day being November 13th, they ship pre-orders with 2-day shipping on the 11th. Walk-up online sales begin on the 13th, as well as in-store sales where applicable. Sure, some people may get a phone a day early or a day late, but it's more exciting than nobody getting a phone.
Stores are entrusted to release inventory at certain times frequently, that's a whole different issue.
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Sorry, the comments about developers were mostly a personal rant. I get frustrated when people are too close to the issue to fully see it. Ironically, while vanilla Android and a Nexus device are the most developer-friendly, the are most the most consumer-friendly too. When I moved to CM10 on my S3, I found a) the interface more pleasing and much more cohesive, b) easier to navigate. Samsung really went out of their to bury options and settings in TouchWiz and their idea of pleasing interface design is questionable. Must be painful for their developers to actively make something less appealing and more complicated. I digress.
I do feel that splitting stock between pre-orders and "walk-up" sales would've been a good strategy. Especially because you could've had devices in peoples hands for launch day, which would've meant an actual launch day rather than just being available to purchase -- which isn't excited at all from a marketing standpoint.
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Exactly what I was trying to say. Vanilla devices being more Dev-friendly AND more Consumer-friendly. Well said. This is why it is so important to make these devices available to consumers.
Pre-orders are definitely the way to go to gauge consumer demand, especially when you can start pre-orders a month in advance.
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oh because mass production facilities in this day and age, cannot provide more devices than what Google offered on launch?! come on.. look at how many iPhones can sell on a launch. They had the power to make more devices, and they could have taken preorders, and then still claimed "sold out" on the launch day if they really wanted to pull the "marketing scheme"
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Do you know that aside from the Sprint version, all the IP5 are on back order with a minimum waiting time of 2-3 weeks.
If Apple cant keep the in stock, what makes you think that Google could??
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UKROB86 said:
Exactly what I was trying to say. Vanilla devices being more Dev-friendly AND more Consumer-friendly. Well said. This is why it is so important to make these devices available to consumers.
Pre-orders are definitely the way to go to gauge consumer demand, especially when you can start pre-orders a month in advance.
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Even if you pre-ordered that doesn't guaranteed that will be enough for every one, look @ the IP5 for proof of that.
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Do you know that aside from the Sprint version, all the IP5 are on back order with a minimum waiting time of 2-3 weeks.
If Apple cant keep the in stock, what makes you think that Google could??
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Even if you pre-ordered that doesn't guaranteed that will be enough for every one, look @ the IP5 for proof of that.
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Well, to be fair, the iPhone 5 and Nexus 4 are in different leagues in terms of demand. And Google has a hardware partner with years of experience in manufacturing and delivering high-volume electronic goods.
And simple -- limit pre-orders to your actual supply or a fraction thereof.
It's honestly been one day since the release. If you don't get a product on launch day it doesn't mean that the company is failing >.>