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Hi, I just dont get it. Xperia is made by HTC, has the same Qualcomm CPU, and same camera. Why the hell can Xperia record video at VGA 30 FPS, but Diamond can only Cif 15 FPS? And more, Xperia can play video in WVGA DVD-like bitrate, which is at least 1.5Mb , But Diamond barely can run 1 Mb VGA video. Why? Again - Same CPU.
I don't think the CPU is the bottleneck here, but the GPU
pokevitek said:
Hi, I just dont get it. Xperia is made by HTC, has the same Qualcomm CPU, and same camera. Why the hell can Xperia record video at VGA 30 FPS, but Diamond can only Cif 15 FPS? And more, Xperia can play video in WVGA DVD-like bitrate, which is at least 1.5Mb , But Diamond barely can run 1 Mb VGA video. Why? Again - Same CPU.
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i don't why you say Xperia is made by HTC. It's Sony Ericsson and correct me if i m wrong.
For the whys, I guess xperia has some kinda dedicated graphics GPU and more RAM to work all this out.
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i don't why you say Xperia is made by HTC. It's Sony Ericsson and correct me if i m wrong.
For the whys, I guess xperia has some kinda dedicated graphics GPU and more RAM to work all this out.
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nope, HTC manufacture it
bouzoubaa said:
i don't why you say Xperia is made by HTC. It's Sony Ericsson and correct me if i m wrong.
For the whys, I guess xperia has some kinda dedicated graphics GPU and more RAM to work all this out.
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The Experia is in fact produced by HTC, but distibuted by SE
Xperia is made by HTC FOR Sony Ericsson. HTC made it. Yes, Xperia has 256 MB RAM, but I dont tnihk this is it. I am almost sure this is not. Diamond´s 192 is not low number. GPU? It has the same GPU as Diamond. 7201A CPU are dual-core, one core is processor core, and the second one is GPU core. And more, Loox 720 (siemens) can play video VGA 1,5 Mb at 120%, but Diamond only 92%, same displays. And that loox 720 has PXA 520MHz Xscale CPU, 3 years old CPU is way better than brand new 7201A even in QTv mode. HTC universal - VGA, 520 MHz Intel Xscale - 114%. Even HTC old device can play video much better than brand new Diamond. F**k HTC.
Seems they have given Diamond users crap drivers
More like crappy chipset. Coreplayer works with hardware directly, and its still worse than with comparison with XScale.
Or just maybe HTC underclocked MSM on Diamond, because otherwise its 900Mah battery wont last even a day
I dont think so. CorePlayer uses some bypass (TyTN 2 driver mode), Myabe some modifications could be done there. I have official text which says that CorePlayer will beter support Diamond (7201A chipset).
I wasnt aware they tested Coreplayer on Xperia, nor that they already have Xperia support there
No, they didn´t. But official materials says that Xperia will be able to play video at VGA resolution with DVD bitrate. Which is much better than Diamond.
Anyway, With same chipset, Xperia still can make better videos than Diamond. About that CorePlayer official text. I wrote them an e-mail, asking for better Diamond 7201A support, and I get this: "Yes we will be working on this version to better work with the device." So maybe we will have some better video playback performance. Who knows. I dont think that chipset is bad, Call Of Duty mobile is smoother on 7201A then on Xscale 520MHz. And MMX can accelerate graphic. I hope that this is all about implementation of the QTv mode. (Becouse this could be solved).
I wouldnt trust what they *say* in PR statements about device that is still in production at all. I still remember very well how they touted Kaiser as "multimedia-rich" device and then tried to slip off when users started to become outraged of how slow it actually was.
Yes, I know, but there is one thing different - it will be "sony ericsson" phone. I think they know what they promis. Anyway, like I said, CorePlayer maybe increase speed of video playback, becou that is the last bad think on diamond. (At least last BIG bad tnihg)
would be nice to have a multi-window like card like touch sleep screen on th Diamond like the Xperia has
Still, any ideas why Diamond and Raphael can not record video at VGA @ 30 FPS, while Xperia witrh SAME CPU can?
Let's talk about 3D accelerated games that WORK on Touch PRO.
So far I've tested 2 games.
- Quake III Arena (low framerate ~5FPS, sometimes ~9-12).
- Call of Duty (not perfect but quite ok, the sound & music is jerky)
Please, keep the topic limited to 3D hardware accelerated games.
I'm using ATI D3D drivers (irrelevant because the listed games are using OPenGL)
Ancient Evil,
it's a Diablo-like RPG and has even 3D realtime rendered shadows
Chopper Flight
Skyforce Reloaded
Snow Rally Canada 1.1
Volcano Island
Tomb Raider
SPV Duke3d
and that's all i can think of right now...
also, i run a playstation emulator (games that i own) but it doesn't use hardware acceleration as of yet (the developer stopped working on it)... fpsce i think is what its called... if anyone knows of a PS1 emulator that uses hardware acceleration that would be grrrrreat.
Call of duty 4 is out for PPC
Do you really like to play this games with the pen? Would be better with buttons I think. (or maybe a combo).
tony hawk 2 and virtual pool mobile dont work
TheTruth, are you sure that Skyforce Reloaded use HW acceleration? I don't think so .
Here's a video showung quake 3 arena in action on the touch pro: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=x8_wfWaYa_w
As you see, it's not smooth at all. In some arenas work better, in some worse.
For more information about Touch Pro performance please follow this topic (also videos comparison between multiple devices)
DSF - have you tried the new 3D drivers? Do they impact performance on games at all? I know it changes the hologram app but that's just a toy...
http://www.fuzemobility.com/?p=1116
xboxhaxorz said:
Call of duty 4 is out for PPC
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really.. do you have any links?
bugsykoosh said:
DSF - have you tried the new 3D drivers? Do they impact performance on games at all? I know it changes the hologram app but that's just a toy...
http://www.fuzemobility.com/?p=1116
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my TP is 25 FPS standard! with the original rom without any tweaks or something
rohithathie said:
my TP is 25 FPS standard! with the original rom without any tweaks or something
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what is? quake 3???
@mikeeey of course not.. he's talking about the VR hologram application.
@bugsykoosh yeap, i've said that in my first post. However, Quake 3 for example, is using OpenGL CM not Direct3D.
Anyone got THPS2 running hardware accelerated? I only got software renderer . It seems that Touch Pro/Diamond lacks HW OpenGL CL library (libGLES_CL.dll)
About Call of Duty2.
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Also, I made a strange discovery about the sound. If you start the game twice, then kill the first one, the second one carries on with sound fixed! See if it works for you. Only useful if you play it a lot. If so, and it works, you could maybe do something with Mort Script.
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.. it really works.
DSF said:
Anyone got THPS2 running hardware accelerated? I only got software renderer . It seems that Touch Pro/Diamond lacks HW OpenGL CL library (libGLES_CL.dll)
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nope, i installed it and it didnt work. may need to move dlls around or something maybe?
Prince of Persia HD runs, but it seems to be around 15fps. Is there a FRAPs for WinMo? I tried Top Gear and it runs at like 5fps, quite sad.
Brendo said:
nope, i installed it and it didnt work. may need to move dlls around or something maybe?
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You need libGLES_CL.dll, HTC Touch Pro/Diamond have only libGLES_CM.dll. So these devices lacks libGLES_CL.dll hardware accelerated library
If you get the SW version that's bundled with libGLES_CL.dll allowing sofware rendering..
@shinydiamonds that game is not using hardware acceleration. Maybe it's using DirectDraw..
This topic is only for games which are using hardware acceleration.
Ok, now with the help of NuShrike libgles_cl forwarder we can play other Dell Axim x51v compatible games. (even if the framerate is not perfect)
Yes, I've got THPS2 running in hardware accelerated mode.
Download libgles_cl :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=415523
Later edit: unfortunately it's not that playable. sluggish, low FPS (even in low quality) .
It runs so smooth on the del axim x51v ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KS4PVS6_8U
Brendo said:
tony hawk 2 and virtual pool mobile dont work
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now Tony Hawks Pro Skater works, look this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=461948
DSF said:
@mikeeey of course not.. he's talking about the VR hologram application.
@bugsykoosh yeap, i've said that in my first post. However, Quake 3 for example, is using OpenGL CM not Direct3D.
Anyone got THPS2 running hardware accelerated? I only got software renderer . It seems that Touch Pro/Diamond lacks HW OpenGL CL library (libGLES_CL.dll)
About Call of Duty2.
.. it really works.
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look this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=461948
quake 3??? how??!!!
DSF said:
Let's talk about 3D accelerated games that WORK on Touch PRO.
So far I've tested 2 games.
- Quake III Arena (low framerate ~5FPS, sometimes ~9-12).
- Call of Duty (not perfect but quite ok, the sound & music is jerky)
Please, keep the topic limited to 3D hardware accelerated games.
I'm using ATI D3D drivers (irrelevant because the listed games are using OPenGL)
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just very curious how u got quake 3 to run... i tried using a pakconvert program but it just gave me errors? didn't know if u had a diff method?
th2
tony hawk works fine on tp. i stick rre rom.
is getting the first crop of games compatible with the ATI GPU imageON (diamond, xperia, touch pro, touch hd etc ...)
after NFS Undercover, check also Xtrakt (3d game). Is amazing
How can you play this game in a Diamond?. It's for WVGA or not?
Thanks!
can we play it in htc diamond
pls upload the game or link to this game.
can we have a download link pls!
found this download link from HD Forum
http://rapidshare.com/files/2100699...r6415_-_Menu_softkey_fix__-_090227_signed.CAB
Is WVGA. but is fully playable in diamond. Read a topic that has the link too.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=494144&page=2
the game works great
you need to try this guys
very good game
THE BEST 3d game out for ppc
install the ati driver for best graphic picture and more FPS
now we have somthing we can compare with iphone games
Bro can we change the resolution to 480*640 to play in htc diamond cause its for xperia and the game is working but its too wide for htc diamond.
Pls can any expert try and reply here so that we can enjoy this game better
And thanks to marcolero for this thread
there is another thread about this game in (Themes, Applications and Software)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=497503
Aqrab said:
install the ati driver for best graphic picture and more FPS
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Doesn't make any difference at all... This is a opengl (gl_es) game, the ati driver is a d3d driver...
WOW fantastic game, as good as some of the racers on my PSP and smooth as silk
Wont run if I have TF3d turned on but then I am using Rhodium
Also tried to change the .ini file to 480x640 but it does nothing in the game.
Lets have more of this development please
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The developer is currently working on some exciting new updates which includes new holograms and mini games.
HoloPhone 3D Video
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Must say it look Simply Amazing!!!
HoloPhone 3D WP7 Download
That looks really cool
Wow that is nice..... With this step i hope we can get a ui to utilize this advancement .....
kind of cool!
Stats wise this looks like a bang for the buck. I am considering buying this phone. I wanted to know whether the Chipset this phone has will continue to get support. Also wanted to know whether this phone can play Full HD videos. Other than that can this phone play HD Games? Is there any hope that this phone will get further version upgrades? Is it possible to install JellyBean oficially without having to root?
Thanks a lot!
android07 said:
Stats wise this looks like a bang for the buck. I am considering buying this phone. I wanted to know whether the Chipset this phone has will continue to get support. Also wanted to know whether this phone can play Full HD videos. Other than that can this phone play HD Games? Is there any hope that this phone will get further version upgrades? Is it possible to install JellyBean oficially without having to root?
Thanks a lot!
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There is a rumor that it will get 4.2, and stops there. We have official JB, no need to root. There is some lag on full HD, but do you need full HD on 4" screen really? :angel: I am not game player, about games you will need to wait for somebody else to answer you.
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There is a rumor that it will get 4.2, and stops there. We have official JB, no need to root. There is some lag on full HD, but do you need full HD on 4" screen really? :angel: I am not game player, about games you will need to wait for somebody else to answer you.
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Thanks a lot! I really appriciate your help!
This phone is pretty good, but not good enough if compared with the more recent ones.. I mean if you want more Battery Life, Gaming Performance and more (future) Official updates or Dev support then you can opt for better, more popular Mid-Range phones (according to your budget)...
But still this phone is pretty good, better than Galaxy R and closely related to the all famous S2!
And yes two more things:
- I never tried playing 1080p videos, so I don't know whether it will work or not.. but I have a lot of 720p videos (and movies) - and they all have lag free playback on the stock video player... The only 720p video that lags for me is the default Samsung Sample Video :silly:
- You can play most of the games on this phones, but most high end games or too resource demanding 3D games won't play well on Highest settings...
I was an iPhone user before and this is my first Android phone.. but yeah this is still a pretty good phone, but there are better phones (maybe at same cost)..
Take a look at this thread too.. I gave my review on S3 Mini vs SGSA on that thread...
Sami Kabir said:
This phone is pretty good, but not good enough if compared with the more recent ones.. I mean if you want more Battery Life, Gaming Performance and more (future) Official updates or Dev support then you can opt for better, more popular Mid-Range phones (according to your budget)...
But still this phone is pretty good, better than Galaxy R and closely related to the all famous S2!
And yes two more things:
- I never tried playing 1080p videos, so I don't know whether it will work or not.. but I have a lot of 720p videos (and movies) - and they all have lag free playback on the stock video player... The only 720p video that lags for me is the default Samsung Sample Video :silly:
- You can play most of the games on this phones, but most high end games or too resource demanding 3D games won't play well on Highest settings...
I was an iPhone user before and this is my first Android phone.. but yeah this is still a pretty good phone, but there are better phones (maybe at same cost)..
Take a look at this thread too.. I gave my review on S3 Mini vs SGSA on that thread...
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Some of those points are really foolish sorry...For example,the HSDPA speed is the same and it doesn't have HSPA+...our phone supports microSDHC too(someone tried microSDXC and it worked too...weird)...the original s3 mini hasn't NFC,there is a I8190N version with that.
Also,I don't think it will get Key Lime Pie if the Note,S2 and ours will not get it just because it is newer.Remember the S plus case(gigngerbread as the original S)
Not trying to flame,just correcting you.
In conclusion if solid multitasking isn't your thing,at my opinion S advance makes it because it has better front camera and an ambient light sensor.Also I like the design more...because it's smaller S3 mini doesn't look as good the S3.I saw them both.
You can't play 1080p videos with the stock video player.At heavy games the single core Mali says its word.
If you want a better phone just buy the S2.Better screen,ram and processor.Also the developement support is waay greater because of a biiiig user base.In my country,the difference is just like 25 euros.
I might switch to the S2 too...
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Some of those points are really foolish sorry...For example,the HSDPA speed is the same and it doesn't have HSPA+...our phone supports microSDHC too(someone tried microSDXC and it worked too...weird)...the original s3 mini hasn't NFC,there is a I8190N version with that.
Also,I don't think it will get Key Lime Pie if the Note,S2 and ours will not get it just because it is newer.Remember the S plus case(gigngerbread as the original S)
Not trying to flame,just correcting you.
In conclusion if solid multitasking isn't your thing,at my opinion S advance makes it because it has better front camera and an ambient light sensor.Also I like the design more...because it's smaller S3 mini doesn't look as good the S3.I saw them both.
You can't play 1080p videos with the stock video player.At heavy games the single core Mali says its word.
If you want a better phone just buy the S2.Better screen,ram and processor.Also the developement support is waay greater because of a biiiig user base.In my country,the difference is just like 25 euros.
I might switch to the S2 too...
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well yeah of course, you're right... even I hate the shape both S3 and S3 mini has.. in my opinion, S2 and our phone has a better and solid look and feel...
Sami Kabir said:
This phone is pretty good, but not good enough if compared with the more recent ones.. I mean if you want more Battery Life, Gaming Performance and more (future) Official updates or Dev support then you can opt for better, more popular Mid-Range phones (according to your budget)...
But still this phone is pretty good, better than Galaxy R and closely related to the all famous S2!
And yes two more things:
- I never tried playing 1080p videos, so I don't know whether it will work or not.. but I have a lot of 720p videos (and movies) - and they all have lag free playback on the stock video player... The only 720p video that lags for me is the default Samsung Sample Video :silly:
- You can play most of the games on this phones, but most high end games or too resource demanding 3D games won't play well on Highest settings...
I was an iPhone user before and this is my first Android phone.. but yeah this is still a pretty good phone, but there are better phones (maybe at same cost)..
Take a look at this thread too.. I gave my review on S3 Mini vs SGSA on that thread...
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ionescugeo9942 said:
Some of those points are really foolish sorry...For example,the HSDPA speed is the same and it doesn't have HSPA+...our phone supports microSDHC too(someone tried microSDXC and it worked too...weird)...the original s3 mini hasn't NFC,there is a I8190N version with that.
Also,I don't think it will get Key Lime Pie if the Note,S2 and ours will not get it just because it is newer.Remember the S plus case(gigngerbread as the original S)
Not trying to flame,just correcting you.
In conclusion if solid multitasking isn't your thing,at my opinion S advance makes it because it has better front camera and an ambient light sensor.Also I like the design more...because it's smaller S3 mini doesn't look as good the S3.I saw them both.
You can't play 1080p videos with the stock video player.At heavy games the single core Mali says its word.
If you want a better phone just buy the S2.Better screen,ram and processor.Also the developement support is waay greater because of a biiiig user base.In my country,the difference is just like 25 euros.
I might switch to the S2 too...
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Thanks a lot for your input guys! :good: I am considering some other phones like Galaxy Note N-7000 and Sony Xperia L.
The last thing I wanna know is whether the sound output is actually low as some reviewers are saying.
Thanks again!
android07 said:
Thanks a lot for your input guys! :good: I am considering some other phones like Galaxy Note N-7000 and Sony Xperia L.
The last thing I wanna know is whether the sound output is actually low as some reviewers are saying.
Thanks again!
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The sound output is normal.Not too low not too high.
We can't play 1080P Videos on this phone. When I use video players other than stock,it play only audio.
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We can't play 1080P Videos on this phone. When I use video players other than stock,it play only audio.
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Mx player > settings > 2 cores for decoding > laggy 1080p playback
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