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I'm thinking of getting an Acer A1. I live in Canada and have used a G1 before it arrived here, so i think it's time to upgrade. However Canada is lacking in the android department and if i get a phone like the Nexus One...although i can use it on my network, i will only get 2g speeds (which suck). So I was wondering for those of you out there who may have used a few android phones if you can answer a few questions for me to help me decide!
1) How does the hardware/feel of the phone feel compared to others? (acer tends to be lower build quality)
2) What is the highest android firmware version we have ported, I've read around that 2.1 is on it...but can someone confirm this?
3) Does anyone know if the nexus one is coming to canada anytime soon? Or the release date of the Sony x10? (this way i can wait for a more preferred phone)
Thanks in advance!
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1) How does the hardware/feel of the phone feel compared to others? (acer tends to be lower build quality)
2) What is the highest android firmware version we have ported, I've read around that 2.1 is on it...but can someone confirm this?
3) Does anyone know if the nexus one is coming to canada anytime soon? Or the release date of the Sony x10? (this way i can wait for a more preferred phone)
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I have used these Android-phones: HTC G1, HTC Hero, Sony Ericsson X10 (@work) and I have a Acer Liquid myself.
1/ The Liquid device feels a little more "plastic" then other current phones. Also read from alot of people that have dropped their phones in the floor and got problems with "leaking" displays. Dont have any problems with mine Liquid however...
2/ 2.1 is working on Liquid. Using 2.1 on my liquid without any big problems. Still a leaked dev-release that is modified, but it works well with the modifications Angio&Co have made to it.
3/ Dont know anything about release-dates, but I have to say: Dont expect Sony Ericsson X10 to be alot better then the other devices out there. To start with it is "already old" running Android 1.6. It also has the same amount of ram as Acer Liquid. The CPU runs on 1ghz and the Liquid runs on 768mhz, but the Liquid is still faster on starting apps and in respons (this may change to release of X10... but dont expect it...). The "only" things that makes X10 good is the bigger screen and the camera. But I would go for a N1 instead if I was going to buy a phone today...
hi, i'm from Italy and i get my Liquid only 2 month ago, but i can tell you that i'm very happy about my choice.
Before that phone, i had on Iphone 3GS but someone stoled it
Anyway... Hardware 8,5:
Good processor, IMPRESSIVE Touch screen, too plastic cover (not very impression of resistance)
Design 8: very beautiful black screen but the button of camera, volume and pause are placed not in correct mode because they are "descent" and when you are making a pic, often the finger slips to bottom.
Battery 4: only a day of autonomy
My opinion....is a great phone
i got it because is the only android i can get in 1900 3g band... (rogers dream and magic were more expensive to me, go figure, i live in colombia)
its really nice, very fast and i like the looks, its way better than 1st gen android phones, up there with the nexus and the milestone
Thanks for the feedback guys! Looks like I'm going to be going with the Liquid...at least until the N1 makes it's way to Canada! Thanks again!
bgmrk , be prepared for bad customer service. I really mean that, take a look at http://android.modaco.com/content/acer-liquid-liquid-modaco-com/302053/scary-liquidscary-screenhorrible-pictures/
Most of the people in that thread dropped their phones but some did not. Anyway, look and read some of the replies they got from Acer.
As long as I keep my phone alive and well and I don't have to deal with Acer then I say this: I love my Liquid.
MMMM i'm aware of the poor customer service from Acer, having my last laptop be from them. Thats one of the deciders in my choice. Acer products tend to have a low build quality, but thats what makes them cheaper. I'm willing to give it a shot though. Thanks for that link! it was a good read
it's a great device and the price tag is great for what you get, the price performance tag is the best of the whole market for now
I'm pretty happy with my Liquid right now. I initially wanted the black version, but I was sent the wrong one. I was going to send it back, but after a few days with it, I decided that I really wanted to keep it. Now, Acer isn't exactly known for phones, let alone smartphones, so I was a bit hesitant. I can tell you, the phone is much better in person than in screenshots. The build quality is pretty good, it does creak a little bit if twisted a little. The battery cover will NOT come off unless pried, a good thing. Currently, the N1 is the only device with better specs on the market. At a little less than $400, it's a great buy for an unlocked smartphone. The only complaints I might have are the external speaker, which really is bad, and the screen, although very good in clarity and quality, sometimes doesn't register. But, it could be the OS too. Anyway, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the device.
Overall I would give it an 8.5 out of 10.
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MMMM i'm aware of the poor customer service from Acer, having my last laptop be from them. Thats one of the deciders in my choice. Acer products tend to have a low build quality, but thats what makes them cheaper. I'm willing to give it a shot though. Thanks for that link! it was a good read
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not sure if you read the blogs but the n1 is available to canadians. but afte a full 24hrs of research, i'm still highly interested in liquid. thanks for starting this thread. it has also helped me to decide.
ive had my Liquid since christmas. previously i was a winmo HTC user. ive got about 10 HTC devices at home.
i have to say im more than happy with the quality of the Liquid. i wasnt aware of any problems with the screen but after reading that link posted above i find it hard to believe that anyone would expect Acer to repair/replace a device under warranty that had clearly been dropped in such a way that the screen broke. idots in my opinion.
ive had experience of most of Acers smartphone/PDA devices in the past and was always of the opinion that they were pretty rubbish when compared to other manufacturers. the Liquid has changed my opinion of them though.
i love it!
The acer is the best phone with this price: very fast and nice system
I love my Liquid. I got it since January, and it's been great. I think it is the best looking Android phone out there.
I have a HTC Kaiser (aka Tytn II). It wasn't as great as most websites claim it is. You could say it was over-rated. But with Acer Liquid, it was the opposite. The reviews on the Liquid were mostly mixed but when you actually use it, it is quite good.
Now, i am hesitant to get phones of HTC. Two reasons. One is that HTC is slow to fix/update ROM's. The other one is UI customizations (Sense UI in HTC's case and Motoblur in Motorola's case). I think these customizations cause problems with apps. I download a lot of apps from the Market and see a lot of comments about the apps not working on HTC xxx or Motorola xxx. But they all worked fine on my Liquid. So, i prefer "vanilla" Android because i think most developers write for "vanilla" Android.
I see a lot of comments about apps not working on Nexus One, too, but it is different. Nexus One uses Eclair and it is newer than most Android phones out there so there are bound to be problems with apps written for pre-Eclair Android.
All in all, Liquid is a great phone!
Just got my Liquid a few days ago too. I use it with no data plan (wi-fi only) on T-Mobile in the U.S. I owned a myTouch 3G when it first came out, it feels snappier and has better specs than that device. The hardware buttons are a bit hard to fumble with, but no device is perfect. I'm impressed with the camera, 5MP, even has ISO 100-800 manual settings. If Acer follows through and gives us an updated 2.1 ROM for the A1, then they are well on their way to carving a slice of the Android pie.
Hi! i currently have a hero with sensehero 2.1 installed. it works fine, but are getting tired, both speakers blown and quite scratchy screen.
So what i was wondering is, is it worth the buy of a liquid e over my hero? i can get an ok deal on one in norway for 480usd$ last year i payed ~780 usd for my hero. should i save up a bit and buy a htc with non underclocked snapdragon, or the liquid? i dont mind it getting hot as some reviews say, so does my hero. But what im most worried about here is the quality of the screen, is it scratch resistant enough? and how is the speed compared to say a desire or a nexus one?
Hope someone can answer my questions and sosry if there is some bad english
Thank you!
Ole
Never used the Hero (was considering it) but I think that it is a better phone.
I have an A1 (256 megs of RAM while E has 512 megs of RAM). Mine is overclocked to 1GHz so in terms of speed, it is fast (Linpack scores of 6.x nearing 7). Even at 768MHz it was getting Linpack results in the 5.x range. There is also reason to believe that the GPU is overclocked because it gets Nenamark scores in the 16.7 fps range at 1GHz (while HTC 1GHz Snapdragon phones get it in the 10-13 range). So yes, the speed does compare to Nexus/Desire.
The phone is plasticky and creaky, doesn't look amazing or anything, but in terms of hardware, you won't get better bang for buck anywhere.
As far as scratch resistant goes, I was using without a protector for the past 2 months and there are a couple of small scratches (really not too bad. Does not affect anything on the screen). The phone does include a screen protector but it is utter ****. I could not use it. Recently I ordered a 3M protector and a scratch remover, hopefully that takes care of it.
In terms of overall screen quality:
-It is an 800x480 WVGA 3.5" screen so the it does look really good. I don't see pixels or anything.
-The multitouch works but is not great. However there is a custom kernal which does improve it (this is an MT test with the fix, the test is done in FroYo, which is somewhat usable but still lots of work needed til its perfect, but this kernal is also available for Éclair- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTBRwgFPnC8 )
-The sensitivity is not great, however there is a hack which greatly improves it.
If you are looking for something affordable yet nice, you should take a long hard look at this. If you do plan on saving up a bit and stepping up, I think the Galaxy S would be a better buy given how much better the Hummingbird processor is to Snapdragon (especially on graphics) and how nice the Super AMOLED screen is.
Wow. I didnt actually bother checking out the Samsung I9000 Galaxy S from my network supplyer here in Norway, Telenor. I just assumed it would be dirt expensive. And i found it was only 30 dollars more expensive than the acer if i lock my service plan in for another 12 months :O.
I now know its GOING TO be the samsung only downer is that its huge! but ill survive that. Now i cant wait for my paycheck.
Hey All,
I'm having a very hard time deciding whether to get the HTC HD7 or the Samsung Focus and was wondering if any of you could help out.
I'm going to post this in the Samsung Focus Forum as well to get their side of things so I mainly want to know from the HD7 owner's side of the story.
HTC HD7
Large 4.3" Screen (the main reason I want to get it)
Really nice design - mainly screen (Focus has too much plastic around the screen)
16GB Built in memory with option to void warranty and upgrade
Kickstand which will be useful since there are no docks available.
Dual LED flash - not too important for me as I hear the HD7 camera isn't too great.
Heavier than the Focus - seriously, I do prefer a denser phone
Comes with free GPS Navigation Software.
Samsung Focus
Amazing 4" SAMOLED display (although it is smaller than the HD7). I have a Zune HD and the quality of that screen is amazing.
Design is OK, a little plasticky for my taste
Very light, this is an advantage (even though I prefer a denser phone) as it is less noticeable in your pocket.
8GB NAND memory which appears to be much, much faster than the HD7 with the option to upgrade to 40GB with a 32GB card without voiding warranty. 16GB is probably enough for me but 8GB is definitely too small.
According to reviews, has an excellent camera.
Now my decision is even harder because I will not be able to see the devices until I buy one as I live in South Africa and will be getting a relative to send the device out to me. I will be immigrating to the US in less than a years time so if I get the HD7 I will be going with T-Mobile and if I get the Focus I will be going with AT&T as my SP. (Is one better / cheaper than the other?)
I hope you guys can provide me with some information to sway me either way
Thanks,
Jonno
Hi Jonno!
I kind of understand how you are feeling right now because I was also in this situation and when WP7 launched on 11th October I wanted to buy the Omnia 7. It depends what you really need/want from a phone.
Personally , I am not into S-AMOLED screens because of the lower sharpness and I am also not too overwhelmed by having the guy next to me reading all my messages etc. Vibrant colors is cool but you'll get bored of this pretty fast.
The official micro-SD support one the most important advantages if you ask me and NAND is indeed faster BUT I also think apps are not yet optimised for HD7's memory and might see an update soon ,because let's face it, the hardware is there and it can help.
Also a larger battery the 1500 one but the S-AMOLED screen kinda compensates the bigger battery and good sAR values but honestly I wouldn't mind having a 1500 in my HD7
For me, when I pay big cash for a phone I want to have a good-looking one and I might refuse a bit better specs for a gorgeous design which HD7 clearly has.
So, if you want a phone that simply has the specs go for the Samsung, if you want a sexy phone with a BIG display go for the HD7.
P.S. Are you saying you will be buying it in an almost 1 year time ? Ouch , by then you will have a better OS and other devices as well
Hi yly3,
Thanks very much for that advice.
I'm not necessarily after the best specs, I just want to be happy with my decision and I will never be happy until I research all of the options and am sure that I know what I want to do.
Yeah, I'm not too worried about the viewing angles (would also rather have poor angles so that I have my phone to myself). I just noticed in the Focus videos that the display seems almost surreal - the visuals just appeared on the top of the device as if there was no screen.
I'm also wondering about the speed of the two devices. If I get a Focus I will most likely be adding a SD card to it anyway so it'd be interesting to know the performance changes when a card is added to the Focus.
Yeah, as long as the battery lasts me the whole day I'm fine. Will charge it at nights anyway.
I would like this phone to act as a bit of an ambassador for the platform as I'm not sure when it's going to be launched in this country.
Oh, and no, I will be moving to the States in a year but hopefully purchase the device before the end of the month.
S-AMOLED or not the battery will last a little bit longer than HD7's one. Although reading through Microsoft forums I saw that there is not much of a difference between the batteries, Samsung might win in standby mode or using the phone only as a phone.
About the cards, it seems Microsoft is on this one and recommends we wait for the "official seal of approval cards" from them for the best performance. When those will be available , there is no word yet , in my opinion somewhere in Q2 if you ask me but that's just a wild guess.
A small reminder is that the Samsung has slightly less RAM (512 vs HD7's 576) but I am sure it's not a deal breaker anyway ..
If this helps you with anything Bill Gates' phone is the Focus
Yeah, as long as the performance of the HD7 is not a problem, and from what I've read it isn't, then I don't really mind.
If you add a card to the Focus and fill it up I doubt the performance will be any better that the HD7. As MicroSD cards improve it may be possible to upgrade to faster cards anyway.
Does anyone have any experience on how much bigger the 4.3" screen is than the 4" screen? From the pictures it looks to be quite a bit smaller.
Since the big deciding factor is the screen display, please take the time to read this thread I posted regarding AMOLED color representation
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=840883
Also, watch some review videos comparing the two!
Here's a good one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTLfGbvNATA
Also, since the phones are so similarly spec'd with the main difference being the screen, you should focus (pun!) more of you decision on which carrier is better.
For example, where are you moving to in the US? ATT has a stronger signal in the northeast but tmobile is much better in the south and west coast. The 3g speeds also vary depending on your location and if you use a lot of mobile data, expect to pay more for ATT since they no longer offer unlimited data plans.
Overall, you can expect to pay about 10 dollars less for the same plan on Tmobile vs ATT.
But like I said, service and reception should be your ultimate deciding factor since both phones are almost identical and priced the same.
Good luck with your decision!
One thing that I must say about the Samsung Focus that most people leave out of their reviews is that the back of the phone scratches very easily. Compare it to the iphone chrome rim and you get what I mean. It's been a week since my friend bought his focus and the back has already shown some wear and tear and he pretty much babys his phone. So if you do plan on getting the focus make sure you get a case or whatever.
Also, if you are looking for an "ambassador" device, always go with htc since developers on xda focus more of their time developing on htc devices. I mean the HTC XDA II was the reason why this forum was created!
About prices: everything unlimited- Text, Minutes, & Data.
On T Mobile you ll be paying between $80-$90 a month. But 3g is spotty and indoor 3g sucks with T mobile and I live in south florida. Every time I call to complaint they say their working on it, and thats been for three years now.
On AT&T you will be paying between $135-$145 a month for same service.
only difference is At&T has 3G coverage in way more areas than T mobile.
and they dont have the indoor problem with their 3G.
I have till Monday to return my HD7 and Im still debating on what to do cause Im off contract already. I love the phone but what I like most is the OS, Microsoft has done a beautiful job. Still needs a little touch here and there but awesome start I think. I would love to get the samsung focus phone from AT&T but as you see the prices are way more, I guess thats the price you gotta pay for better service. and Verizon is just as expensive. Sprint is the cheapest but the W7 phone they are coming out with is to small for my taste.
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S-AMOLED or not the battery will last a little bit longer than HD7's one. Although reading through Microsoft forums I saw that there is not much of a difference between the batteries, Samsung might win in standby mode or using the phone only as a phone.
About the cards, it seems Microsoft is on this one and recommends we wait for the "official seal of approval cards" from them for the best performance. When those will be available , there is no word yet , in my opinion somewhere in Q2 if you ask me but that's just a wild guess.
A small reminder is that the Samsung has slightly less RAM (512 vs HD7's 576) but I am sure it's not a deal breaker anyway ..
If this helps you with anything Bill Gates' phone is the Focus
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It seems that for cards right now, the ones to get are sandisk class2, those are the ones that people have gotten to work in the hd7s and the ones that are now coming out microsoft certified.
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Yeah, as long as the performance of the HD7 is not a problem, and from what I've read it isn't, then I don't really mind.
If you add a card to the Focus and fill it up I doubt the performance will be any better that the HD7. As MicroSD cards improve it may be possible to upgrade to faster cards anyway.
Does anyone have any experience on how much bigger the 4.3" screen is than the 4" screen? From the pictures it looks to be quite a bit smaller.
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Also, since the phones are so similarly spec'd with the main difference being the screen, you should focus (pun!) more of you decision on which carrier is better.
For example, where are you moving to in the US? ATT has a stronger signal in the northeast but tmobile is much better in the south and west coast. The 3g speeds also vary depending on your location and if you use a lot of mobile data, expect to pay more for ATT since they no longer offer unlimited data plans.
Overall, you can expect to pay about 10 dollars less for the same plan on Tmobile vs ATT.
But like I said, service and reception should be your ultimate deciding factor since both phones are almost identical and priced the same.
Good luck with your decision!
One thing that I must say about the Samsung Focus that most people leave out of their reviews is that the back of the phone scratches very easily. Compare it to the iphone chrome rim and you get what I mean. It's been a week since my friend bought his focus and the back has already shown some wear and tear and he pretty much babys his phone. So if you do plan on getting the focus make sure you get a case or whatever.
Also, if you are looking for an "ambassador" device, always go with htc since developers on xda focus more of their time developing on htc devices. I mean the HTC XDA II was the reason why this forum was created!
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Definitely want to keep the carriers in mind. At&t will get you signal just about anywhere, but doesn't have the best 3g/4g network so your data may suffer.
Tmobile isn't as widespread as the others, but if you live in a city chances are you are good. I live in San Antonio and always have reception (hspa+)
Yeah i also need an advice. Thinking between Samsung Omnia 7 or HTC HD7
HTC HD7
-better design
-bigger screen
Samsung Omnia 7
-better screen
-better battery life
can anyone help me to choose?
Hmm.. It definitely seems like I'll be going with T-Mobile then as AT&T sound too be just a little too expensive.
Thanks for the link on the Color Reproduction, very interesting!
Also interesting to hear about the Focus scratching, I imagine they used too thin a plastic to make it terribly durable.
Since I'll be stuck in South Africa for another year, the carrier isn't too much of an issue for me right now and I will only be able to fully determine which is best once I've tried them out in the places I'll be.
The HD7 always stuck out as me as the phone to get and I think as I look at it, it's turning out to be the better choice.
Does anyone think it's better to hold off till later next year? Maybe better devices (dual core, etc)? Looks like quite a few more coming next year according to http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/how-htc-and-samsung-look-at-their-windows-phone-7-futures
But then again I can't wait until the next best thing comes out as there will always be some better coming out.
Thanks for all of the responses!
Regarding your concern about waiting another year for updated specs, you will feel the exact same way next year when your buying your newer phone. Think about it in the perspective of an iPhone user...they know for a fact that a new upgraded iphone is coming out in a year but nonetheless theres no talk about waiting another year to see what might be released whether its dual core or 10mp cameras.
The truth of the matter is technology will always be doubling in specs at an exponential rate so theres not point in waiting for a year cuz of course there will be better phones and hardware.
Ever since I bought my first G1, I always upgrade my phone in a year or sometimes less either due to better hardware released or just because I get bored easily. And after I buy the newer phone, I just sell my old one. At most i'll be spending about 100-150 to "upgrade."
For example. I sold my iphone 3gs on craigslist for 350 this summer and bought an iPhone 4 for 450 which was a pretty good deal. I then sold my iphone 4 for 500 and bought an hd2 for 250. And then I recently switched to the hd7 buying it for 450 with no contract.
So don't worry about holding off on buying a phone. They seem to improve at a faster rate than computers/tvs so its really not worth keeping around older hardware that grows more obsolete day by day.
Thanks for that.
Good to hear that you can sell them again for a respectable price.
One problem with technology is that very few people want to buy the old stuff if they have a choice so it's nice to know that it is not so for smart phones.
HD 7 for sure. The differences in AMOLED or whatever is not enough to make up for the sheer 4.3 inch size on the HD7. I loved it on my HD2 and told myself I would never go back to anything smaller. And I meant it. The HD7 is hands above as far as stylish looks and the "WOW" factor when you or someone else picks it up. Bottom line is, better looking phone with about the same performance across the board due to the OS just being that much more efficient.
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Thanks for that.
Good to hear that you can sell them again for a respectable price.
One problem with technology is that very few people want to buy the old stuff if they have a choice so it's nice to know that it is not so for smart phones.
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Last generation Android (Moto Droid, Nexus One, Desire) and iOS phones are usually in great demand since most people won't pay $500+ premium prices for the top of the line phones.
The majority of XDA community make up the small percentage of hardcore phone users that are willing to shell out however much for the newest spankn phones.
For your situation, as long as WP7 doenst end up flopping like the Palm webOS, you can expect the resell value of the HD7 to be pretty good in a year.
Had the same problem.
Solved, but wont tell you how
->> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=833140
Hopefully someone here can better explain the differences, pros, and cons of each.
I've been doing some quick research and looking around, even played with the Nexus S at Best Buy, and it seems the main (and ONLY) difference is that the NS has a bigger screen than the N1.
It's my understanding that they both share the same processor, both have the same amount of RAM, both have the same camera, etc.
The only "advantage" to the Nexus S would be the bigger screen and more on-board memory for apps and such, correct?
I can get the Nexus S for $200 through Best Buy and could in turn sell my N1 with it's dock for $400 (already have a buyer lined up). My biggest question, however, is what does the N1 do that the NS does NOT do? Would this be a logical thing to do or is there something that the NS would be lacking by comparison?
Well the NS does not have an SD slot so your stuck with the 16GB of storage.
The NS does have a FFC.
The CPUs are both 1GHz but the NS' is of a newer architecture and is a bit faster especially with games.
The NS touchscreen is better.
I only have an 8GB SD card in my N1 and it's been more than enough, so the "limited" 16GB that the NS has shouldn't be a problem for me.
I'm not sure what "FFC" is...can you define/explain?
Faster or even equal speeds in the processor is fine. I just knew it was close and wasn't inferior to the N1 like a lot of other phones that have come out recently.
And what exactly makes the touchscreen better on the NS? Better resolution or just better responsiveness?
EDIT: I think I just figured out "FFC" means "front facing camera", correct? Not something I'd use, but doesn't hurt either.
It seems that there really isn't a reason NOT to do this exchange. Everything that the N1 can do the NS does and then some. I just wanted to make sure there wasn't anything that I'd be missing out on if I got rid of my N1 after having gotten used to it for so long. Seems like it would be an easy and smooth transition.
How easy is it to obtain all Google Market apps that have already been purchased when switching devices like this? They're all tied to the account, correct?
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How easy is it to obtain all Google Market apps that have already been purchased when switching devices like this? They're all tied to the account, correct?
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Pretty much, yes. You can get some exceptions - eg CoPilot Live is fiddly to transfer, but the Android licence is valid cross-device (you need to deactivate the old device first). In general, if you've purchased from the market and use the same account on the new phone your apps should be available without issue.
I've transferred from G1, to Magic, to N1 without losing any apps to date (although I've sworn a bit at CoPilot )
Keep in mind the Nexus S doesn't have a notification led.
Apart from the glossy plastic i think the Nexus S is a good device. If it doesn't have the screen inaccuracy or power button failure issues of the N1 it could be a worthwhile upgrade.
Depends how affluent you are feeling right now
I asked myself the same question and I came up with these answers.
N1 is better built
upgradeable sd slot
has a notification led
has less a tendency of sliding out of your hand
same specs
and samsung is notorious about never releasing any updates for any of their phones.
Don't forget the nexus s does not have 2 Mic's. There have been some reports of bad call quality on it in noisy environments with background noise.
Having owned them both...
NS has the NFC (near field communication), which one day may be nice.
The 16gb limit does not really present a problem.
The screen is bigger and is supposedly better, but I didn't see anything that really made the new screen stand out, it is nice. It is curved slightly, which is kinda nice.
NS does not have the same build quality, and does not have the unibody, metal design. The Nexus S does feel cheap next to the N1, but it is not showstopper. N1 has a much cleaner design and looks much 'sexier' IMHO.
NS does not have the trackball, much less the lighted trackball of the N1. NS does not even have a charge indicator.
NS does not come with a case or dedicated charger (has the brick and a data cable)
NS with gingerbread is fast, but does not yet have the dev support of the N1.
I felt the cameras were about similar.
NS does not have the second mic (as someone else pointed out). Not sure about call quality of the listener on the other end. I had problems with reboots, but Google knows there is a problem and is working on it.
Why o Why did they change the order of the home/search/menu/back keys in the NS -what a pain.
NS no SD slot.
NS does not have the dock pins on the bottom to use with a car/desktop dock.
NS has a front camera and more RAM
I would wait until Gingerbread comes out for the N1 before you jump ship. You have 30 days to send the phone back to best buy if you don't like it...
Just felt that the new NS was not 'Google' enough for me. Just missing too many little things. It is like they were trying to make a new Nexus that is *more* like the iphone. Kinda a sellout thing to do in my opinion.
My opinion is to keep your N1, the NS is not a real upgrade in my mind.
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another difference... Both have 512 of RAM. N1 has 512 of "ROM", while the NS has 16gb of storage, 1gb reserved for apps and OS.
Thanks for all the replies, guys! After reading some and doing quite a bit more research, including watching comparison videos on YouTube, I have decided to wait.
The only "new" feature that I'd use with the NS is the bigger screen, but I don't really feel that should stand alone as a reason to "upgrade".
The speed differences in the comparison videos were very, VERY minimal and it appears that the N1 has better graphics handling than the NS. It's possible that the minimal speed differences were simply due to the NS having Gingerbread, so hopefully I'll see an increase with the upcoming update for the N1 although if I don't, it's no big problem since it's still the fastest phone I've messed around with.
Another reason is the battery. I've gone as long as 36 hours on my N1 with a single charge and normal use and usually have 60-70% battery life left after a full 15 hour day of being in use. I hear the NS is barely lasting a day for most people which is more than likely in account for the larger screen.
The MAIN reason I've decided to wait, however, is simply because I don't want to be locked into a 2yr contract for the same phone with a bigger screen when the inevitable dual-processor and expanded function phone(s) come out. The N1 does absolutely everything I want/need out of a phone so I'll be waiting until something comes out and totally blows it away and makes it obsolete.
Tenacious Steve said:
..The N1 does absolutely everything I want/need out of a phone so I'll be waiting until something comes out and totally blows it away and makes it obsolete.
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Me too
Hopefully it'll be a new Nexus, made by HTC, with great specs!
I sold my nexus one last week and got a nexus s the same day. I loved my nexus one but my logic for selling my phone is deprecation of the phone when i sell it. Sold the nexus one and dock for 370, not great. So that means I payed $200 for the nexus s. If you are in the market to sell it later you will get less for it. In the next couple of months dual core and 4g is coming out and the value will drop for both phones but i feel that the nexus s will be valued higher. It also seem that the resell market for Galaxy S is bigger then the nexus one, due to the fact that more people know what a Galaxy s phone is.
Some thoughts about the nexus s. The phone seems the same on paper but in actuality its much faster compared the nexus one running gingerbread, this could be that the roms didn't have the drivers. The screen is amazing and i like the look of the nexus s, but miss the dock. NS is a lot lighter in the hand but feels cheap when you're pressing the volume and power buttons. The BIGGEST difference is the responsiveness of the touchscreen.
I have ZERO REGRETS on my purchase of the nexus s.
I have purchased the Nexus S and am still on the fence of whether or not to return it. My previous phone is the Nexus One. The reason that I am on the fence is for the same reason why some people are still trying to decide whether or not to purchase the phone such as there is no led notification, missing sd slot, NFC not really popular at the moment and probably will not be for the next year or two at least in the US, not a dual core phone.
But I will admit it is a nice phone, does have a nice feel, beautiful display, sexy all black face giving it that stealth look, the touchscreen is responsive I don't get all of that wonkiness I used to get with the Nexus one and even with the capacitive touch buttons, those work the way they should. Very responsive in terms of apps seem to respond and open more quickly compared to the N1. It would be nice for google to explain why they chose the phone they chose for there N1 successor, instead of trying to come up with reasons for them.
I have 30 days to decide whether or not to keep the phone. Since I am a T-mobile customer, from as long as I can remember they never really had the hot phones, it was always places like verizon or sprint that had phones that seemed more appealing. And even if t-mobile did end up getting a hot phone it would be like months later after the other networks had that phone for a while ex. razr.
If i had neither an n1 or nexus s and both phones were for sale, I would go for the Nexus S.
hi peeps,
At least in the 1Ghz cpu weight devision, is it still worth buying at ~US$545? i'm not that impressed with the past and current 1Ghz offerings. My main concern is software updates -- which, ironically, was why i hesitated buying the SGS a year ago. But then Samsung appears to have released a Gingerbread update ahead of everyone else( *cough* HTC *cough*), has even announced that it won't lock the bootloader, and appears to have a ton of custom ROMs and just as much "unofficial" developer support.
Then again, the projected price range of the dual core monsters coming in May isn't really that big; imho a US$100 price premium is well worth it for me.
I think as of right now, anyone who wants a phone should wait for the SGSII, but as for buying the SGS, im glad i bought it when i did (jan). The community make it what it is. If there wasnt custom roms to speed the phone up then i would have been bitterly disapointed with the lag of a stock SGS, yes gingerbread is quick but its been awhile in the making.
One year and another month different story SGS 2 on sale SGS 1 at a cheaper price .
jje
Nope. Save your money for SGS2 or dual-core HTCm whatever suits you.
I would definitely hang on for whichever dual core floats your boat, be it HTC or SGS II. As good as the SGS is (I love mine) it will struggle to compete with the heavyweight dual core handsets.
Get a Tegra 2 based device. See how much juice they consume though.
SGS 2 is silly big, well for me personally, there ought to be some constraints to limit overall size of device, afterall its mobile phones we're talking about. Bigger devices defeat the purpose of having a mobile phone and tend to look rather unprofessional, more like portable gaming devices.
I'm going to take the opposite opinion to many on here.
+es
SGS is a solid, reliable, known platform, that just keeps improving with each android revision.
not possible to have a problem that can't be answered by reading here
****load of 3rd party hardware, from spare batteries on up
-es
doesn't have dual core, waaa waaa my penis isn't big enough, go and buy 3 spare batteries to run the dual core SGS2, better still buy a laptop, because the only people I have seen with ANY kind of computing power problems are frankly assholes who could bring a cray to its knees in a week.
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phones have got to the place desktops got with 3ghz cpu's and xp/linux, almost nobody actually needs faster more than 0.5% of the time.
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The next big revolution is going to be in battery tech, when you can get 5000 mAh into the volume and mass of 1000 mAh today, that will open new doors
thermal rejection of an SGS at full battery draining whack is already as high as you can go and stay healthy silicon wise.
just be grateful it ain't x86.... (speaking as someone who used to run 64bit MIPS Cobalt RAQ2's back in the day when they were the new kid on the block... wow, an empty pizza box with not even any heatsinks on the silicon...)
save your money for SGS II
i just bought mine last week. got it for around $470 (8GB version) in Vietnam. the reason i got it was mainly due to the great screen as well as the strong community developer support which coming from the Galaxy Spica is a BIG difference in the overall user experience. I love tech and love tinkering with my phone. I don't believe dual core will make that much of a difference unlike on a laptop/desktop where you really have to run multiple programs (note: antivirus). I know my SGS will be astounding as soon as the devs finish tweaking the heck out of the GB code!
If you are going to pay that kind of price (around 500$) and you care about updates, why don't you get a Nexus S ?
Same phone, slightly better and corrected hardware-wise. It is supported by Google and CyanogenMod.
I think it's worth considering buying second hand. I just bought a 1 month old handset for quite a bit less than a new one. It's in perfect condition. And I'll use it for the next year and then upgrade when the SGSII (and others like it) are down to a reasonable price. Rinse and repeat (too expensive to be on the bleeding edge all the time ).
benoitb85 said:
If you are going to pay that kind of price (around 500$) and you care about updates, why don't you get a Nexus S ?
Same phone, slightly better and corrected hardware-wise. It is supported by Google and CyanogenMod.
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the deal breaker for me on the nexus s was the lack of micro SD support
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the deal breaker for me on the nexus s was the lack of micro SD support
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I had 2 deal breakers...
No microsd slot and no fm radio.
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depends on $$$$
Johnny55555555 said:
I'm going to take the opposite opinion to many on here.
+es
SGS is a solid, reliable, known platform, that just keeps improving with each android revision.
not possible to have a problem that can't be answered by reading here
****load of 3rd party hardware, from spare batteries on up
-es
doesn't have dual core, waaa waaa my penis isn't big enough, go and buy 3 spare batteries to run the dual core SGS2, better still buy a laptop, because the only people I have seen with ANY kind of computing power problems are frankly assholes who could bring a cray to its knees in a week.
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phones have got to the place desktops got with 3ghz cpu's and xp/linux, almost nobody actually needs faster more than 0.5% of the time.
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The next big revolution is going to be in battery tech, when you can get 5000 mAh into the volume and mass of 1000 mAh today, that will open new doors
thermal rejection of an SGS at full battery draining whack is already as high as you can go and stay healthy silicon wise.
just be grateful it ain't x86.... (speaking as someone who used to run 64bit MIPS Cobalt RAQ2's back in the day when they were the new kid on the block... wow, an empty pizza box with not even any heatsinks on the silicon...)
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I agree. SGS is still a great buy.
honestly, i do find dual cores a bit of an overkill for phones...but yeah, the price diff is just too close, esp. if you compare it with the G2X. dual core it is then. i just wish HTC(and all the other brands) would stop with the signed bootloader crap.
Then again, once the other dual cores come out, then the SGS drops to US$350...hmm...
badkuk said:
hi peeps,
At least in the 1Ghz cpu weight devision, is it still worth buying at ~US$545?
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For sure it wasn't worth buying one year ago when I bought mine...
maybe it's like wine, the older the better
Soulbrighter
In Austria, you get the I9000 for 299€ .
A year ago, I paid the same + 24 months contract...
As you look around and see the tons of fixes / mods / developments, I would suggest, this is a very good buy even though I guess, SGS 2 is quite interesting as well...
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ww
in scotland you can get galaxy s's from £170 second hand on gumtree.
most are around £200 but to me thats still a bargain
regards