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Car chargers, please recommend !

I'm going on a looooong trip next week, and will be away from home for about two weeks... Most of the driving will be of about 6 hours between hotel stops or whatever, and unless I'll be sleepy, I'll surely abuse my Note, haha. Will reach a hotel where I'll stay for 10 days, but the rest of the time will be wasted on the road...
So... a car charger is needed .
What would you guys recommend? In terms of brand, first... because I know some manufacturers write 1A on them, when they give not even half...
I've seen MOMAX chargers that give 1A @ 5V x 2 (had two USB outs) at about 15 bucks, for example.
I've also seen an orange-branded charger at 5 EUR (but it was almost double in lenght than the MOMAX one), with an included microUSB cable, that outputs 2A or 2.1A @ 5V. Would THAT one be safe to use? Or any charger that outputs >1.5A, for example...?
Also, will the phone charge faster if using a charger that gives 2A? I know it won't draw 1900mA out of it, lol, but still...

Formhault said:
What would you guys recommend? In terms of brand, first... because I know some manufacturers write 1A on them, when they give not even half...
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Formhault, last week I have purchased for my Note a Samsung car holder with 1A charger from this shop in Bucharest: http://www.alliselectronics.ro/inca...-ecsk1e1-pentru-galaxy-note-incarcatoare-auto
Unfortunately I did not test it yet on the car on a long drive and with the Note running empty; also due to the small form of the microusb plug I cannot perform any electric measurement.
I can confirm that measuring other car chargers of 0.5A and 0.7A I have found out that the o/p voltage is dropping a lot during the charging process, thus explaining the resulting low current and long charging time.
At he same shop you also can find a stand alone Samsung car charger, also of 1A at http://www.alliselectronics.ro/incarcatoare/auto/incarcator-auto-samsung-ecau16c-accesorii-tablete
Formhault said:
I've also seen an orange-branded charger at 5 EUR (but it was almost double in lenght than the MOMAX one), with an included microUSB cable, that outputs 2A or 2.1A @ 5V. Would THAT one be safe to use? Or any charger that outputs >1.5A, for example...?
Also, will the phone charge faster if using a charger that gives 2A? I know it won't draw 1900mA out of it, lol, but still...
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The output current capability of a charger has nothing to do with how much curent the phone will draw while charging (of course the maximum rating of the charger must not be exceeded), on the condition that the 5V output voltage is not going too high at the lowest current consumption (when the battery is almost full).
Good luck in finding the suitable charger for your needs!

Mobile Inverter is the solution.
Formhault said:
I'm going on a looooong trip next week, and will be away from home for about two weeks... Most of the driving will be of about 6 hours between hotel stops or whatever, and unless I'll be sleepy, I'll surely abuse my Note, haha. Will reach a hotel where I'll stay for 10 days, but the rest of the time will be wasted on the road...
So... a car charger is needed .
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Try a mobile inverter and use your prefered wall charger. in 400W range you can charger all your devices. Try here:
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias=lawngarden&field-keywords=Mobile+Inverter
I use a chinese one here, one with two outlets and 2 usbs 1A each. It's big but it's the perfect solution. Otherwise i have a powerjolt from griffin ,5A for the phone during car navigation. http://www.amazon.com/Griffin-Powerjolt-Dual-Universal-Micro/dp/B0042B9U8Q It's really small and stealth.
Cya.
Tech

axelTP2 said:
Formhault, last week I have purchased for my Note a Samsung car holder with 1A charger from this shop in Bucharest: http://www.alliselectronics.ro/inca...-ecsk1e1-pentru-galaxy-note-incarcatoare-auto
Unfortunately I did not test it yet on the car on a long drive and with the Note running empty; also due to the small form of the microusb plug I cannot perform any electric measurement.
I can confirm that measuring other car chargers of 0.5A and 0.7A I have found out that the o/p voltage is dropping a lot during the charging process, thus explaining the resulting low current and long charging time.
At he same shop you also can find a stand alone Samsung car charger, also of 1A at http://www.alliselectronics.ro/incarcatoare/auto/incarcator-auto-samsung-ecau16c-accesorii-tablete
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Erm... the first one looks expensive. I don't need a holder. No-go.
The second one is expensive, too, but I think I'd rather pay that money for THAT instead of the Momax one. GOSH, they don't state the lenght of the cable. Any idea how long that is?
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The output current capability of a charger has nothing to do with how much curent the phone will draw while charging (of course the maximum rating of the charger must not be exceeded), on the condition that the 5V output voltage is not going too high at the lowest current consumption (when the battery is almost full).
Good luck in finding the suitable charger for your needs!
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Yeah... I kind of noticed that. The Note draws even 1200mA at times, and I tried with the original charger and a HTC wall brick charger (both giving 1A @ 5V). So yeah... guess the phone can draw more than the charger can provide, if that makes sense, lol.
So you're saying that even a 700mA @ 5V charger can give 1A to the phone? Or I got it all wrong?

TekNiTe said:
Try a mobile inverter and use your prefered wall charger. in 400W range you can charger all your devices. Try here:
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias=lawngarden&field-keywords=Mobile+Inverter
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WHAT?! LOL!
That makes me think... why not use a car battery rectifier and give it 50 amps to eat . Sorry, but that's the first thing that popped in my head when I heard "inverter".
Still not sure what that thing is, so let's proceed to the second part.
TekNiTe said:
I use a chinese one here, one with two outlets and 2 usbs 1A each. It's big but it's the perfect solution. Otherwise i have a powerjolt from griffin ,5A for the phone during car navigation. http://www.amazon.com/Griffin-Powerjolt-Dual-Universal-Micro/dp/B0042B9U8Q It's really small and stealth.
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Heard Griffin are good!
You mean that Griffin Powerjolt (which is stated to give 1A) outputs 5 AMPS TO YOUR PHONE?!?!?!
Although that thing is cheap on Amazon... it's about 20 EUR here, in Romania . At least that's the smallest price I can find for it... so, not sure I'll go for that one .

Formhault said:
The Note draws even 1200mA at times, and I tried with the original charger and a HTC wall brick charger (both giving 1A @ 5V).
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How did you measure that 1.2A charging current, please?
Formhault said:
So you're saying that even a 700mA @ 5V charger can give 1A to the phone? Or I got it all wrong?
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No, I did not say that, on the contrary.
Here are some measured values:
0.7A car charger:
Open circuit voltage (disconnected phone):5.34V
Voltage under charging: 4.52V
Charging current: 0.6A measured on a resistor load
0.5A car charger:
Open circuit voltage (disconnected phone):5.31V
Voltage under charging: 3.16V
Charging current: 0.42A measured on a resistor load
Both chargers are doing the job, but very, very slow (2 to 3 hours from empty to full battery charge) and IF not many services are running on the phone.
Hope that helps......

axelTP2 said:
How did you measure that 1.2A charging current, please?
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Battery Monitor Widget - set the logging to every 60 seconds.
I attached the .txt logs to this post. Each log was done during charging, with Wi-Fi, Data and GPS off. Alarms were set to go off sometime in the morning (7 AM or 8, whatever), it is visible in the logs.
Even 2 and 1.6 amps were drawn at some point .
I used two chargers, because I wanted to see whether the HTC one can charge faster... if it can give more than 1A more often. It seems not, so I won't spend 10 bucks on a HTC one; will stick to the provided Samsung charger.
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No, I did not say that, on the contrary.
Here are some measured values:
0.7A car charger:
Open circuit voltage (disconnected phone):5.34V
Voltage under charging: 4.52V
Charging current: 0.6A measured on a resistor load
0.5A car charger:
Open circuit voltage (disconnected phone):5.31V
Voltage under charging: 3.16V
Charging current: 0.42A measured on a resistor load
Both chargers are doing the job, but very, very slow (2 to 3 hours from empty to full battery charge) and IF not many services are running on the phone.
Hope that helps......
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It is said that charging at lower currents/voltages is healthier for the battery. But no thank you... I'll buy a car charger that gives 1A, lol. Still haven't decided which one I'll go for, but anyway...
Thank you

Using different chargers question please

I have numerous chargers at home all of which have charged my evo, gs2, Nexus 7, etc.
Can these be used interchangeable in the Note 2 without harming the charging process?
Thanks

As long as the Voltage is the same (5V) there is no Problem. But you should have a charger at 2 Amper for optimal charging speed.

I just tried charging mine with the normal microUSB charger I use for every other phone I have had and it took 7.5 hours to charge from 5%-62%. I used the stock charger that was in the box and it charged it in 3.5-4 hours no problem. Seems like the charger in the box charges faster.

reading this thread made me curious, my NOTE II should arrive in about a week, I can't tell for myself yet, what is the A (amps) specification mentioned on the original charger?
as i come from HTC, my current chargers go up to 1 A current. witch is the double A a standard USB port will give unless crossover'd .
thanks in advance!
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in the wiki thread i found the answer, the supplied charger delivers 5 V 2 A output to the device.

WendigoNL said:
what is the A (amps) specification mentioned on the original charger?
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2A! Same as the Tab 10.1 charger.
Filling a 3100mAh battery requires some grunt.

i think even the usb cable makes a difference..
when i use the stock usb cable with the stock charger ..my s3 would charge up comparatively faster than with the other usb cable connected to the same stock charger.:rolleyes

max.android said:
i think even the usb cable makes a difference..
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It certainly does! :good:
All electrical cables have some resistance. Very low (but not zero) for quality cables, sometimes quite noticeable for thin and cheap offerings.
From Ohm's Law we know that voltage drop will be proportional to current. A cable with a resistance of just half an ohm will loose about 0.5% at 50mA. That's pretty much nothing. However, at 2000mA the loss reaches 20%.

dude use any charger, just don't use LG charger **** !!!!!

You must use the 5volt 2amp charger and cable provided or a replacement with the same output or youll either be waiting for ever for it to charge or do some damage.
I tryed using my note 1 charger rated at 1amp and guess what? It took about twice as long to charge.
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Some of my old 1 Amp chargers aren't happy at all, and will often decide to stop charging randomly.
I though it was something weird with my phone, but after switching chargers it never happened again.
- Frank

USA official charger
This are the images of the official USA charger that will comes when they release the device in USA
And yes its a 2.0A charger, so the SIII charger isn't appropriate for NoteII.
this is the kind of charger used in Canada, USA, and Latin America, i bought this NoteII in Mexico from an authorized Samsung provider, of course factory unlocked 710usd, like 10,900mxn.

Has anyone tried a 3A charger? Just wondering if this would speed up charging even more than the standard 2A charger.

mcdill the pig said:
Has anyone tried a 3A charger? Just wondering if this would speed up charging even more than the standard 2A charger.
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No, it won't speed it up. It's what the device takes from a charger, and not what a charger can potentially supply. If the device's charging circuit is spec'd for up to 2A current, that's what it will suck out of a charger, not more. You can connect a 30A lab power supply, and it will still be the same 2A (or less) input. To speed up the charging process, you need to mod the charging circuit of the device itself.

Is it Safe to charge Note 2 with other device's charger...?!?

My Note 2 charger says....
Input : 150-300 VAC 50-60Hz 0.35A
Output : 5.0V = 2.0A
Can i charge it with with following chargers....?
1. Note 1 Charger
Input : 100-240 V 50-60Hz 0.15A
Output : 5.0V = 1.0A
2. Iphone 3G Charger
Input : 100-240V 50-60Hz 0.15A
Output : 5V = 1A
3. Logitech Harmony Remote Charger
Input : 100-240V 50-60Hz 180mA
Output : 5V = 1A LPS
So can i Safely charge my Note 2 with any of the above chargers ? Or will charging with any charger Harm/Damage my Note 2's battery/internal components...?
Thanks.... :fingers-crossed:

As long as the Amper on the charger you use is lower than 2 there is no risk.
Voltage should always be the same or else it will damage your phone. (5volts = USB standard voltage)
If you use a 2,5 A charger the note will charge faster but will heat and damage the battery.
If you use a 1 A charger the note will charge twice slower than with the 2A charger but this charge will last longer because slower charging gives a little better battery life When I charge the note on USB 2.0 (0.5 A) / 3.0 is at 0,8 ampers it takes a whole night to get around 90% but my note lasts usually a little longer than when I fastcharge with the stock charger (one gets lazy to charge when a battery lasts so long lol...)

You can in theory use those other chargers but the charge time will be significantly slower, probably double the time. I used my nexus one charger which I use to charge everything in my room and I got an error message saying that I needed a stronger charger. You may get that message as well on those 1A chargers. I have been successfully been able to use my 1.8A blackberry charger with success though as well as my 1.5A griffin at work but I shorted the pins on the cable I use on that charger.
Like I said you can maybe use those other chargers but you may get a power message. You're best off with the stock charger.

use everything. "Just don't use LG chargers"
regards

From what I understand through research, It doesn't matter at all. Stay around the official amp voltage range. If it is a bit high, the phone will regulate how much power it draws from the charger. If it is a bit lower, then expect slow charge.
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avetny said:
use everything. "Just don't use LG chargers"
regards
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Why not?

I am using a Galaxy S III charger, I guess I am not causing any harm with that... ?

You can use any charger that outputs at 5 volts. Even if the charger is 5 volts 10amps. The phone will only draw as mu current as its built to draw and no more than that.

Been using my s2 charger since I got my note 2 with no trouble at all. I also sometimes use my HTC desire charger and again no trouble here.

epicfailguy2 said:
As long as the Amper on the charger you use is lower than 2 there is no risk.
Voltage should always be the same or else it will damage your phone. (5volts = USB standard voltage)
If you use a 2,5 A charger the note will charge faster but will heat and damage the battery.
If you use a 1 A charger the note will charge twice slower than with the 2A charger but this charge will last longer because slower charging gives a little better battery life When I charge the note on USB 2.0 (0.5 A) / 3.0 is at 0,8 ampers it takes a whole night to get around 90% but my note lasts usually a little longer than when I fastcharge with the stock charger (one gets lazy to charge when a battery lasts so long lol...)
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Hmm I thought changing the voltage makes the difference in how much power it draws (and puts into the battery) and the amp rating is how much power the charger is meant to give. So if the phone uses up 2 amps at 5 volts, then it could overheat a charger rated at 1A at 5 volts.
That's how powering something like LEDs works. If an LED is rated at drawing 700 ma at 3.3V, a power supply rated at 3.3V and 700 or higher will work - it could be rated at 2,000 at 3.3V and the LED would still draw 700. If you raised the voltage to 3.7V, then the LED would consume more than 700mA and would be brighter, if it's made to take the higher voltage.

DarkManX4lf said:
You can use any charger that outputs at 5 volts. Even if the charger is 5 volts 10amps. The phone will only draw as mu current as its built to draw and no more than that.
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This is correct. As long as you are using a standard USB charger, which will output 5v, you will be fine. The amperage will determine how fast your phone will charge. A charger with an output of 0.5A (500mAh) @ 5V, which is equal to 2.5 watts, will charge your phone slower than a 1A @ 5V (5 watt) charger.
No need to worry about hurting your phone with a higher amperage output. Your phone will only use as much current as it can handle. If it is rated to draw 900mAh @ 5V, doesn't matter if the charger can output 1A, 2A, or 5A, the phone will only draw a maximum 900mAh.

I bought some Palm microUSB charger during their liquidation. These days I dont even open the chargers for any phones I buy. Infuse, Xperia Ion, Focus, Exhibit, Note 1 all of them charge fine with it.

Mr_Armageddon said:
This is correct. As long as you are using a standard USB charger, which will output 5v, you will be fine. The amperage will determine how fast your phone will charge. A charger with an output of 0.5A (500mAh) @ 5V, which is equal to 2.5 watts, will charge your phone slower than a 1A @ 5V (5 watt) charger.
No need to worry about hurting your phone with a higher amperage output. Your phone will only use as much current as it can handle. If it is rated to draw 900mAh @ 5V, doesn't matter if the charger can output 1A, 2A, or 5A, the phone will only draw a maximum 900mAh.
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Hi
If the voltage output of a charger is less than 5V (let's say 4.5V), will this hurt the phone & battery?

Note 2 isn't that picky on charger.
I have several off-brand 5V 2-3A chargers and all of then just work fine.

Glad I'm not the only one using a random charger... The ones phones come with, the cords are entirely too short.

DarkManX4lf said:
You can use any charger that outputs at 5 volts. Even if the charger is 5 volts 10amps. The phone will only draw as mu current as its built to draw and no more than that.
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This is exactly what I am going to say.

Yes, its perfectly safe. I've used my iPad charger to charge my note 2 before, because it charges at 10 volts intsead of 5 so the phone charged faster.
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I use whatever charger is available and fits. Have for YEARS. You guys worry too much about crap. It is just a phone, if it breaks, I'll buy a new one. Never had a problem though.

Using other device's charger is usually OK. But...
- An iPhone charger will work but because apple doesn't use the same standard to signal a USB charging port, you will be limited to 500mA (i.e. slow).
- Using another phone charger most of the time but because they are usally rated 1A instead of 2A it will charge slower.
The Note 2 seems to be quite picky about chargers and cables, for example, I couldn't get a full charge with cheap micro-USB cables from eBay and my old Nexus One charger. The best IMHO is a quality 5V charger that does at least 2A and follows the USB charging port convension of shorting D+ and D-.
More than 2A is not a problem because the device will only use as much as it needs. However if it is less, as the phone will try to pull 2A, the voltage will drop bellow the acceptable threshold. Usually the phone can adapt by charging slower but for some reason it didn't work with my Nexus One charger (1A).

Fast(er) AC Charger Recommendations

Greetings! I was wondering what is the maximum rated input current of the Xperia Z. There's no indication of it's rated input current anywhere on the phone. The supplied charger is rated at 1.5A and I was wondering if a higher amperage charger above 5V 1.5A (such as of those catered to tablets/ipad) would charge the battery at a faster rate before investing in one.
Anyone with any experience using a higher amperage charger on the Z could advice on any notable improvements in charging time as well.
Thanks!

Used a Nexus 7 charger rated at 2A and it charged fine with no detrimental effects. Charging time is about 1.5, hours from 10% to full.
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cliffordlee said:
Greetings! I was wondering what is the maximum rated input current of the Xperia Z. There's no indication of it's rated input current anywhere on the phone. The supplied charger is rated at 1.5A and I was wondering if a higher amperage charger above 5V 1.5A (such as of those catered to tablets/ipad) would charge the battery at a faster rate before investing in one.
Anyone with any experience using a higher amperage charger on the Z could advice on any notable improvements in charging time as well.
Thanks!
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While increasing the Amps will result into fast charging... the bad part is that it kills your battery life overall.

I've tried Sony charger rated output 1500mA
and Galaxy tab charger 2A
phone on, screen off
in 10 minutes charge, both added , just the same, 10% juice.
may try it longer next time.

Dsteppa said:
While increasing the Amps will result into fast charging... the bad part is that it kills your battery life overall.
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Would you care to explain?

Great findings! I guess it's safe to say that there is no notable reduction in charging times even with the provision of higher amperage chargers, and that the Xperia Z's power management IC can only take in 1500mA at max.
moraal said:
Would you care to explain?
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Charging at higher amperage would generate more heat and this increase in heat would degrade the battery cells at an increased rate, thus reducing the lifetime of the battery in the long run
Well unless you value your charging time (or loss of usable time) more than the cost of premature replacement of battery, then quick charging is for you. Personally, given a choice, I'd rather not charge at a higher current unless necessary, especially when time is the essence. (;

moraal said:
Would you care to explain?
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I will post when I find the correct link.

Erm I'm fairly sure that whatever amp you use the phone will only draw a set amount I used a 2500mah charger with my old phone for two years no difference in charging time nor degraded battery life or iverheating , just meant I had one charger for everything lol

That's correct, it's impossible to over-charge or charge too quickly a device by using a charger with a higher current rating than the original charger. Current flow is a RESULTING property of a particular voltage applied across a particular resistance. Applying too much voltage will usually be detrimental, but you cannot SUPPLY too much current. The device will draw as much as it needs unless it is limited by the charger's maximum current rating first.
I've been using an old Blackberry charger rated at much less than 1000mA. It might take a bit longer to charge, but I love the long, supple lead that comes with it.
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Can someone explain me this...
My Xperia Z came with (1) Power plug-adapter with USB port + (2) USB to Micro-USB cable + (3) Docking station.
The (1) has Output = 1500 mA written on it, the (3) has 1800 mA on it.
Questions:
Can the USB cable transfer more than 500 mA? From reading USB page on Wiki, looks like it can do 1500 mA - 5000 mA when not transferring data so I should not worry about the cable?
What is the point of including a 1800 mA docking station + 1500 mA power plug? Does the station only charge at 1500 mA when connected with that plug or am I missing something?
Thanks, sorry for noob questions

Sushifiend said:
That's correct, it's impossible to over-charge or charge too quickly a device by using a charger with a higher current rating than the original charger. Current flow is a RESULTING property of a particular voltage applied across a particular resistance. Applying too much voltage will usually be detrimental, but you cannot SUPPLY too much current. The device will draw as much as it needs unless it is limited by the charger's maximum current rating first.
I've been using an old Blackberry charger rated at much less than 1000mA. It might take a bit longer to charge, but I love the long, supple lead that comes with it.
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The charging chip it self support higher current by default, but the manufacturer chooses the charger depending on different factors, design of the phone, capacity of the battery and also their stock chargers available... they will choose the best charger to match... in most cases it will be rated lower than what the charging chip is capable of...
the charging chip has it's limits also... using regular USB cables will only provides the standard current... I've used same amperage chargers as the orignal but with different cable and charging was slower... when I switched to the original cable charging was faster and had the same time as original charger ( same amperage )
When you use the original cable and higher current charger then you will have faster charging...
My Xperia arc came with socket charger rated at 950mA and a car charger rated at 1200mA... and the car charger is really faster but only when I use the original cable, when I used a longer cheap cable the charging was actually slower... even when I'm charging non-Sony devices ( like my Note 2 ) when I use original cable ( wether Samsung or Sony one ) charging is always faster... I don't know why it might be a way to protect the standard usb cable from over-current as the standard USB current is 500mA, so the charger will normally send the usual current unless the device requested higher current then it will negotiate with the charger to send higher current the original cables might have something like impedance between some pins so the phone will detect them as original then they will negotiate the charger to send higher current or the charger might actually use the other pins to send higher current but the phone will only use these pins when it detect the original cable... if not then it will not use these pins and will have regular 500mA charging... I've always faced this when dealing with other cables... now when I want longer cable I just use USB extension cable with the original cable and it will work !

wlkatz said:
Can someone explain me this...
My Xperia Z came with (1) Power plug-adapter with USB port + (2) USB to Micro-USB cable + (3) Docking station.
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As you've got the docking station can you tell us how it's wired?
Which pin is + and which is -
Cheers
Sent from my C6603 using Tapatalk 2

Thanks for all the replies, really informative.

fards said:
As you've got the docking station can you tell us how it's wired?
Which pin is + and which is -
Cheers
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Looking at the dock station from the front, + is on the left, - is on the right.
See pic + bonus
Also will be grateful if someone could answer my questions on 1st page.

wlkatz said:
Can someone explain me this...
My Xperia Z came with (1) Power plug-adapter with USB port + (2) USB to Micro-USB cable + (3) Docking station.
The (1) has Output = 1500 mA written on it, the (3) has 1800 mA on it.
Questions:
Can the USB cable transfer more than 500 mA? From reading USB page on Wiki, looks like it can do 1500 mA - 5000 mA when not transferring data so I should not worry about the cable?
What is the point of including a 1800 mA docking station + 1500 mA power plug? Does the station only charge at 1500 mA when connected with that plug or am I missing something?
Thanks, sorry for noob questions
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- Yes, the cable can easily transfer more than 500mah. No worries.
- It means the docking station is rated for a maximum of 1800mah - so if you buy a 2100mah charger, the docking station may get warm and if it fails Sony won't cover it under warranty. If you use the 1500mah power plug, then the docking station supplies the 1500mah - it's just a pass-through. The docking station itself doesn't really have additional circuitry.

wlkatz said:
Looking at the dock station from the front, + is on the left, - is on the right.
Also will be grateful if someone could answer my questions on 1st page.
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Prefect thanks!
Can now make some docks/charging clips using sugru and a usb cable
Not sure why the dock would be rated at 1800, unless they've fitted it with some circuitry, a simple micro usb to prongs would do.
I charge mine using the adapter that came with my note tablet which is 2a and also with the 2a output of an external battery pack.
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fards said:
Prefect thanks!
Can now make some docks/charging clips using sugru and a usb cable
Not sure why the dock would be rated at 1800, unless they've fitted it with some circuitry, a simple micro usb to prongs would do.
I charge mine using the adapter that came with my note tablet which is 2a and also with the 2a output of an external battery pack.
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Yes, they're right to write the 1.8A there.
because, not all microUSB survive to deliver more than an amps. They maybe melt. especially the cheap one that have very small and loose contact area.
the pogo pins too... Not so easy deliver 1.8A with pogo pins...
that's why intel processor, have 1000+ pins, but almost 300pins are for power supply only (GND and VCC). Although the chip is only 1.25volts, but the current sometimes about a hundred amps (Core 2 Extreme, Core i7)

Rashkae said:
- Yes, the cable can easily transfer more than 500mah. No worries.
- It means the docking station is rated for a maximum of 1800mah - so if you buy a 2100mah charger, the docking station may get warm and if it fails Sony won't cover it under warranty. If you use the 1500mah power plug, then the docking station supplies the 1500mah - it's just a pass-through. The docking station itself doesn't really have additional circuitry.
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Wrong. If you connect a 2.1A supply, you'll see no difference.
Charging rate is set by the phone, as long as the power supply feeding it doesn't "brown out" under the load.
2.1A, 3.1A - doesn't matter, the phone will draw less (I'll need to drain my battery down a bit to determine how much less, it's often less than whatever the wall charger is rated.)
There is a possibility that when it sees voltage on the pogo pin connectors, it increases charge current to a different value than on AC via the USB port. The ext charger handling in the pm8921 driver is really convoluted and difficult to read.

pls keep ur n10 charger in safe place.

Last nite, I played dead trigger until battery warning indicated 4%.
But I still keep playing and suddenly the screen went black.
I think the battery is totally dried out at that time. So I used the following
charger but failed to charge even after 10min. Here's the charger:
1. 3rd party 5V 3A charger,liteon brand.
2. old nokia 0.5A charger.
3. original samsung note2 charger.
all those 3 charger works normall on my n10 before last nite.
and suddenly i think maybe i can try out the original charger of n10.
And it works!
So i wonder if samsung or google put special charger on the adapter?
Before we know anything furthur.pls put ur n10 charger in safe place.

I think most tablet chargers output a voltage of 12v. That might of kicked your battery back to life.

xxKamikazexx said:
I think most tablet chargers output a voltage of 12v. That might of kicked your battery back to life.
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I've confirm the voltage of my n10 adapter. Which printed "5V 2A".

It probably just needed a certain amount of minimum battery voltage to function and show charging. I doubt if the OEM power supply is special in any way. The charging circuit is really inside the N10.

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It probably just needed a certain amount of minimum battery voltage to function and show charging. I doubt if the OEM power supply is special in any way. The charging circuit is really inside the N10.
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when i plug in the non-n10 charger, even after 10min,n10 is not able to boot. Only flaahing the battery charging symbol for 1 sec.
when i plug in the original charger, n10 can be boot instantly.
thats why i think it is very weird about the original charger. but other chargers still works well when n10 battery is NOT completely dried out.

matika said:
when i plug in the non-n10 charger, even after 10min,n10 is not able to boot. Only flaahing the battery charging symbol for 1 sec.
when i plug in the original charger, n10 can be boot instantly.
thats why i think it is very weird about the original charger. but other chargers still works well when n10 battery is NOT completely dried out.
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Yeah, that is very strange indeed. It does draw in the 1800mA range from the battery during boot up. Are you using the same micro-USB cord all the time? It was reported that there are big differences in charging rate with different brands of cords.

This was covered in another thread recently.
Basicially the Samsung chargers have 2 pins shorted together to get full charging power of around 1.5A with the n10. Using other chargers will get you around 500ma output.
My guess is if you left your tablet on the "other" chargers overnight it would come on just fine. They simply don't output enough juice to power the tablet when the battery is that low.

matika said:
when i plug in the non-n10 charger, even after 10min,n10 is not able to boot. Only flaahing the battery charging symbol for 1 sec.
when i plug in the original charger, n10 can be boot instantly.
thats why i think it is very weird about the original charger. but other chargers still works well when n10 battery is NOT completely dried out.
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Had you left the other chargers on long enough, the tablet would have booted fine. I've run into this. I have an old(er) Samsung Tab 2 10.1 charger I use with my N10 (now along with a Pogo cable) and my N10 charges rapidly. That, coupled with the two wires shorted out in Samy's setup for the larger amp's.....also, in my job, I work with other chargers all the time and use them all the time across multi platforms, to include my N10, and it charges fine (albeit much more slowly).

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Had you left the other chargers on long enough, the tablet would have booted fine. I've run into this. I have an old(er) Samsung Tab 2 10.1 charger I use with my N10 (now along with a Pogo cable) and my N10 charges rapidly. That, coupled with the two wires shorted out in Samy's setup for the larger amp's.....also, in my job, I work with other chargers all the time and use them all the time across multi platforms, to include my N10, and it charges fine (albeit much more slowly).
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My charger(PS) for my Dell Streak 7 works just fine with the N10. This all makes sense except for the fact that the poster stated using a: 3rd party 5V 3A charger,liteon brand which didn't work.

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My charger(PS) for my Dell Streak 7 works just fine with the N10. This all makes sense except for the fact that the poster stated using a: 3rd party 5V 3A charger,liteon brand which didn't work.
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Should still work fine. Voltage is the same and the device will only draw as much amperage as needed. May have something to do with the circuitry in the charger? It may have been bad. As long as you don't supply more volts you are OK. More amps is also OK. Not enough amps will lead to burning up the charger unless the device is smart enough to realize its on a low amp charger (like the n10) and kick down so as not to over draw (ie - over drawing from the USB port which is a .5amp (500mAmp) or 1amp (1000mAmp)...someone correct me on the number here please)
The whole reason manufacturers tell you not to use someone else's charger is so you don't plug in, say, a 12 volt charger into a 5 volt item. That would pop something. That or some cheap charger poorly built could allow "dirty" power through causing problems. Both issues voiding warranties

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but depending on the usage of the tablet, you might not be able to charge it quicker than the power usage. For me, if I'm playing a demanding game at 1.7Ghz and max brightness, neither USB or Pogo can charge the tablet, and battery still drops (slower, but still drops).

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Should still work fine. Voltage is the same and the device will only draw as much amperage as needed. May have something to do with the circuitry in the charger? It may have been bad. As long as you don't supply more volts you are OK. More amps is also OK. Not enough amps will lead to burning up the charger unless the device is smart enough to realize its on a low amp charger (like the n10) and kick down so as not to over draw (ie - over drawing from the USB port which is a .5amp (500mAmp) or 1amp (1000mAmp)...someone correct me on the number here please)
The whole reason manufacturers tell you not to use someone else's charger is so you don't plug in, say, a 12 volt charger into a 5 volt item. That would pop something. That or some cheap charger poorly built could allow "dirty" power through causing problems. Both issues voiding warranties
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Never seen anything burn up because of low amperage., power or watts generate heat and power(watts)=voltage x current.
Did you ever see a PS(charger is inside the N10) with a USB port that supplies anything but 5V? I haven't.

Current (amps) does the charging.
No USB charger will provide anything more than 5.1 volts. If the charging block has a USB plug look at the rating. Amperage for smaller devices may be 1a or even less. Newer big smartphones have bigger batteries and need more current to charge. My old Thunderbolt charger is 1A, the charger Motorola provides for my Maxx HD is 1.5A, the Samsung charger for my Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 is a 2 amp charger, so is the charger for the iPad that some frickin' jerk ripped off from my house. The Xoom escaped that problem by having a separate charge plug, not using the USB system, it 12 volts at 1.5 amps. See the pattern? A tablet of any kind has an even bigger battery and needs even more current to charge. The reason the N10 may lose charge even when plugged in is that the charger can't deliver the current needed to run the device and charge the battery simultaneously.
As I see it, Samsung and Google need to supply a slightly higher amperage power block to compensate for the use/charge balance problem. Our solution would be to turn it off and charge the device every night or even leave it plugged in when not in use.
Another thing is the surface area for current transfer. The USB points are tiny, the POGO Pins, dedicated to charging would be able to handle more current because they have more surface area.
Any one who knows better may correct me, I just ordered an N10 today from Google so my information here is what I have read here and what I know from years in the electronics field..

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No USB charger will provide anything more than 5.1 volts. If the charging block has a USB plug look at the rating. Amperage for smaller devices may be 1a or even less. Newer big smartphones have bigger batteries and need more current to charge. My old Thunderbolt charger is 1A, the charger Motorola provides for my Maxx HD is 1.5A, the Samsung charger for my Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 is a 2 amp charger, so is the charger for the iPad that some frickin' jerk ripped off from my house. The Xoom escaped that problem by having a separate charge plug, not using the USB system, it 12 volts at 1.5 amps. See the pattern? A tablet of any kind has an even bigger battery and needs even more current to charge. The reason the N10 may lose charge even when plugged in is that the charger can't deliver the current needed to run the device and charge the battery simultaneously.
As I see it, Samsung and Google need to supply a slightly higher amperage power block to compensate for the use/charge balance problem. Our solution would be to turn it off and charge the device every night or even leave it plugged in when not in use.
Another thing is the surface area for current transfer. The USB points are tiny, the POGO Pins, dedicated to charging would be able to handle more current because they have more surface area.
Any one who knows better may correct me, I just ordered an N10 today from Google so my information here is what I have read here and what I know from years in the electronics field..
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You don't need more current to charge a bigger battery, it's all about how long it will take to charge to full.
Some have stated that they've seen a 3A battery drain with certain games. The 9Ah battery would last approx. 3 hours which exceeds the max rate of the charging circuit and the PS. Even on a fully charged battery at that rate doesn't last that long.

AFAIK for any tablet to be able to draw 2A from any 5V charger (that can supply the needed amperage) the data pins (middle two pins from the use cable) have to be at 2.5V. Otherwise even if the charger is with correct specifications 5V/2A the tablet might not charge at all, or charge at a lower rate.
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I forget the actual brand/model of the actual charging chip but if you poke around in the N10 files you can find it but it's specs are list as 2.5A max but N10's code limits it to 2.1A. This isn't the PS wall wart commonly called the "charger".

The recommended charging current for any lithium ion or lithium polymer is 0.7C. What that actually means is a current 0.7 x max capacity in mAh. For most phones e.g. my Galaxy Note 2 with a capacity of 3100 mAh this means a current at about 1.7A.
The battery Nexus 10, on the other hand, could very well be charged at a whooping 6.3A current.
In USB Battery Charging Specification 1.2 the maximum current a USB port can supply for charging purposes can be as high as 5A.
With the Perseus kernel for Note 2 you can actually specify the max limit for how much current the phone will draw from any charger.
So in theory.. it should be possible to charge the Nexus 10 with a 5V 5-6,3A charger.. and that would probably be very quick!
For the record: I havn't seen many (any?) chargers with more that 2.3A

MartiniGM said:
The recommended charging current for any lithium ion or lithium polymer is 0.7C. What that actually means is a current 0.7 x max capacity in mAh. For most phones e.g. my Galaxy Note 2 with a capacity of 3100 mAh this means a current at about 1.7A.
The battery Nexus 10, on the other hand, could very well be charged at a whooping 6.3A current.
In USB Battery Charging Specification 1.2 the maximum current a USB port can supply for charging purposes can be as high as 5A.
With the Perseus kernel for Note 2 you can actually specify the max limit for how much current the phone will draw from any charger.
So in theory.. it should be possible to charge the Nexus 10 with a 5V 5-6,3A charger.. and that would probably be very quick!
For the record: I havn't seen many (any?) chargers with more that 2.3A
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Sure the charging rate is way under what it should be but as they use larger and larger capacity cells the only solution is a removable cell to charge by other means.