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X1 Charger specifications?

Hello,
I have been a victim of stolen bag recently.
Inside, among other things, was my original X1 wall charger, which is lost now.
At home I have a couple of other usb chargers but although they are 5V the Amber are different.
I know they work, but I prefer to use one closest to the original output for the wellness of battery.
(I slightly remember that the genuine charger was less than 1A)
Could someone pls check the original power adapter and tell me which exactly is the output?
(thanks in advance)

nek4d said:
Hello,
I have been a victim of stolen bag recently.
Inside, among other things, was my original X1 wall charger, which is lost now.
At home I have a couple of other usb chargers but although they are 5V the Amber are different.
I know they work, but I prefer to use one closest to the original output for the wellness of battery.
(I slightly remember that the genuine charger was less than 1A)
Could someone pls check the original power adapter and tell me which exactly is the output?
(thanks in advance)
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700ma. you don't have to keep close to the charger's specs other than the 5V. ampre rating is merely affects the speed of charging.
Just like how u charge from ur computer's usb port, you get maximum of 500mA /port anyway.

alvino said:
700ma. you don't have to keep close to the charger's specs other than the 5V. ampre rating is merely affects the speed of charging.
Just like how u charge from ur computer's usb port, you get maximum of 500mA /port anyway.
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Thank you alvino!

Further to this question, can anyone tell me if a Blackberry In-Car Charger is OK with the X1?

Any usb port charger will work with your phone. Although, you might not wanna let your battery drain completely, one of the cells may fail and you'll get the dreaded "On button red light" syndrome... which I did. The main solution to that is to replace the battery. Considering the difficulties I've had, I'm sad I didn't pick a C905 instead

as long as it's 5volt it can be 1MEGA amp
amps are drawn not pushed
ohms law is
A = volt / Resistance
the device will draw as much as it require nothing more

It works just fine with my Zune charger, which is 5v 1.5A.

Safe to use non genuine X1 car charger?

I've bought this X1 car windscreen holder & charger off ebay...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200317246131
The holder itself is very good for the price, but I'm a bit nervous about using the charger as it's not genuine SE.
It is CE marked, but it says its output is 5.0V=2A, whereas the output of my SE wall charger is 5.0V=700mA.
Is it safe to use?

you should be good. its the voltage rating that is important and not the so much as the amps.
i wish i can give you the technical as to why right now but i just cant remember all the details. i think your phone can draw in or pull in its rated amps. if your phone charger that you bought is rated at 2 amps, your phone can only draw in its max rated amps (700ma) and your charge time will be lower than that of a charger rated at 5 volts, 500ma.
if you did have a charger that was rated at 5 volts, 500ma, then your phone can draw in only the max that the charger can put out and will tend to overwork the charger thats rated lower and have a longer charge time.

Thanks for your reply
So even though the charger can supply up to 2A, the phone will only take the 700mA it needs?
Just out of curiosity, can anyone with a genuine SE car charger tell me what output it supplies?

BUT, charging that fast isn't the best thing to do for your batterly lifetime. Slower charging == longer battery life.
Though, same goes for the normal wall socket charger from SE.
Legaspi is right, the phone will only pull as many amps as it needs and can take, no more.

Well, I'll only be using it occasionally when I'm at a few car shows over summer. So it should be safe enough.
Cheers guys

amps are not pushed but drawn
amps is the max the charger can provide
before it get pressured and lover the volts
you could use a 5volt 10000MegaAmp charger
and the device would only draw the amps the device
was made to draw all the rest of the amps would stay
at your electricity company
ohms law state Amps == volts / residence

Rudegar said:
amps are not pushed but drawn
ohms law state Amps == volts / residence
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In other English:
P = VI, where
P = Power of device (watts) and is fixed
V = Voltage used by device (volts) and is fixed
I = Current (amps) and is decided by P/V (a fixed ratio)
So the device cannot draw more current than the fixed ratio. It may draw less current if the charger cannot supply the highest amount, but then as in one of the above posts, it simply takes longer to recharge.
With these devices, milliWatts/miliAmps are the scale, 5V is generally the fixed Potential Difference.
Used in a vehicle, the device is generally both drawing and expending energy (ie. charging and running say, GPS) simultaneously. This in/out situation when prolonged is the cause of the observed overheating with the original X1 battery.

i use a HTC car charger with my SEX1, it works flawlessly

I handmade two 12->5V converters (first with LM7805, second - with LM2678 regulator).
Both are OK, but I'm thinking about two stage regulation with radiators (LM7809/7805) or 5W DC2DC converter now...
Cheap car $5 5V USB converters usually use LM7805 without any radiators. So 500mA+ are hardly achievable.

hello , i just bought an genuine htc car charger for my xperia with the following carac : 5V - 2A
so don't worry , it's normal to have a more powerfull charger because when you will use X1 like GPS, he will need more power than a simple charge

Hi guys,
first of all, thank you for the great forum, with lots of useful information and application for my xperia.
I would kindly ask someone with an original car charger (CLA-70) to post its specifications here (volts, amps output).
I have a car (usb) charger from a BT GPS device that has a 5V,1000 mA output and I am not sure if it will suit my xperia. I need the car charger for use of navigation software, which consumes a lot of battery power.
Thank you for any replay!

i believe it's safe to use. I have a handmade 12-to-5V converter with 3000mA possible output and for over two months have no problems with X1i.
But Xperia will not use all your 1000mA. About a half or so at maximum. No 15 minutes charge possible...

I have done in many times. It is safe.

Don't worry!
I use the Kensington 4-in-1 car charger for iPod.
http://us.kensington.com/html/11205.html
Ratings are 5V and 500mA. It manages to charge my iPod, my X1, and my Plantronics Voyager 510 Bluetooth headset. Same charger, three cables, one Case Logic pocket, and everything becomes under your control!

ianl8888 said:
In other English:
P = VI, where
P = Power of device (watts) and is fixed
V = Voltage used by device (volts) and is fixed
I = Current (amps) and is decided by P/V (a fixed ratio)
So the device cannot draw more current than the fixed ratio. It may draw less current if the charger cannot supply the highest amount, but then as in one of the above posts, it simply takes longer to recharge.
With these devices, milliWatts/miliAmps are the scale, 5V is generally the fixed Potential Difference.
Used in a vehicle, the device is generally both drawing and expending energy (ie. charging and running say, GPS) simultaneously. This in/out situation when prolonged is the cause of the observed overheating with the original X1 battery.
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No, no, no! Voltage is not fixed.
This is a variable controlled by the source. If you connect a device to a 3V battery, it is different from when you connect it to a 12V battery, yes? Your flashlight or torch battery will not start your car. But your car battery can and will burn your torch bulb. Therefore, it is important to always connect a battery, or in this case a charger, of the specified voltage, otherwise you will fry your phone.
P=V * I.
The higher the voltage, the higher the power.
For example: Your American 110V TV will not work in Europe, where the voltage is 220V. It will fry!

Imdking said:
No, no, no! Voltage is not fixed.
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For example: Your American 110V TV will not work in Europe, where the voltage is 220V. It will fry!
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Depends on many things. FOA it depends on the type of PSU used in your TV.
Same correct for car converters. Be aware that during average driving your supposed to be 12V are really above 13V. May be even 14.5V.
What I'd not recommend is to buy cheap chinese converters based on 7805 chip. You cannot make it small, the radiator must be a half the size of Xperia itself. No radiator means a sub-100mA current at best.
Better to use something based on LM2678 chip.

sms2000 said:
Depends on many things. FOA it depends on the type of PSU used in your TV.
Same correct for car converters. Be aware that during average driving your supposed to be 12V are really above 13V. May be even 14.5V.
What I'd not recommend is to buy cheap chinese converters based on 7805 chip. You cannot make it small, the radiator must be a half the size of Xperia itself. No radiator means a sub-100mA current at best.
Better to use something based on LM2678 chip.
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Of course there are sophisticated appliances that allow for different voltage sources. I, for example, buy household appliances that are "multi-national". Like many international students that go to school overseas and take TV's and Hi-Fi's back to their home countries after completing studies. These have power supplies that that can be set to 110v or 220v. Now with techonology advancement, some gadgets will auto detect and automatically switch transformers as needed. The regular TV designed for use in America at 110v will not work in Botswana.
But the principle still stands.
P = V * I.
The higher the voltage, the higher the power! So what when I open the control panel and measure the voltage on a dc power supply it shows 23v instead of the specified 24. No big deal. But if it shows 48v instead of 24, then we've got a problem. The car battery is actually 14.4v. That is not the point!
Do not use a higher voltage source than specified. That some appliances are designed to take fluctuations and slight variances goes without saying. But all within reason. So, if your camera says use a 3v battery, don't use a 9v battery because sms2000 said it "depends".

I have experience with micro amps and other electrical devices.. I have two chargers a generic 5V 1A and a Motorola 5V 550mA. I just bought a desktop charger. The input is 5.2 600 mA and the output is 4.2 250mA. I use to have a batter application for my xperia and it would read 3.9V on the battery. will my chargers work ok. I am thinking to use the 1A charger on the phone and the 550mA on the desktop charger.

I should have read this before but the other day i got from a street seller a car charger, having seen him selling both 1000 and 450 mamp chargers, i got that 450, becuase i knew my phone charger was 700 mamp, i only need it when i use the phone as gps, not always.... but i didn't try it yet ... thanks

science

pls keep ur n10 charger in safe place.

Last nite, I played dead trigger until battery warning indicated 4%.
But I still keep playing and suddenly the screen went black.
I think the battery is totally dried out at that time. So I used the following
charger but failed to charge even after 10min. Here's the charger:
1. 3rd party 5V 3A charger,liteon brand.
2. old nokia 0.5A charger.
3. original samsung note2 charger.
all those 3 charger works normall on my n10 before last nite.
and suddenly i think maybe i can try out the original charger of n10.
And it works!
So i wonder if samsung or google put special charger on the adapter?
Before we know anything furthur.pls put ur n10 charger in safe place.

I think most tablet chargers output a voltage of 12v. That might of kicked your battery back to life.

xxKamikazexx said:
I think most tablet chargers output a voltage of 12v. That might of kicked your battery back to life.
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I've confirm the voltage of my n10 adapter. Which printed "5V 2A".

It probably just needed a certain amount of minimum battery voltage to function and show charging. I doubt if the OEM power supply is special in any way. The charging circuit is really inside the N10.

wptski said:
It probably just needed a certain amount of minimum battery voltage to function and show charging. I doubt if the OEM power supply is special in any way. The charging circuit is really inside the N10.
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when i plug in the non-n10 charger, even after 10min,n10 is not able to boot. Only flaahing the battery charging symbol for 1 sec.
when i plug in the original charger, n10 can be boot instantly.
thats why i think it is very weird about the original charger. but other chargers still works well when n10 battery is NOT completely dried out.

matika said:
when i plug in the non-n10 charger, even after 10min,n10 is not able to boot. Only flaahing the battery charging symbol for 1 sec.
when i plug in the original charger, n10 can be boot instantly.
thats why i think it is very weird about the original charger. but other chargers still works well when n10 battery is NOT completely dried out.
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Yeah, that is very strange indeed. It does draw in the 1800mA range from the battery during boot up. Are you using the same micro-USB cord all the time? It was reported that there are big differences in charging rate with different brands of cords.

This was covered in another thread recently.
Basicially the Samsung chargers have 2 pins shorted together to get full charging power of around 1.5A with the n10. Using other chargers will get you around 500ma output.
My guess is if you left your tablet on the "other" chargers overnight it would come on just fine. They simply don't output enough juice to power the tablet when the battery is that low.

matika said:
when i plug in the non-n10 charger, even after 10min,n10 is not able to boot. Only flaahing the battery charging symbol for 1 sec.
when i plug in the original charger, n10 can be boot instantly.
thats why i think it is very weird about the original charger. but other chargers still works well when n10 battery is NOT completely dried out.
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Had you left the other chargers on long enough, the tablet would have booted fine. I've run into this. I have an old(er) Samsung Tab 2 10.1 charger I use with my N10 (now along with a Pogo cable) and my N10 charges rapidly. That, coupled with the two wires shorted out in Samy's setup for the larger amp's.....also, in my job, I work with other chargers all the time and use them all the time across multi platforms, to include my N10, and it charges fine (albeit much more slowly).

swany6mm said:
Had you left the other chargers on long enough, the tablet would have booted fine. I've run into this. I have an old(er) Samsung Tab 2 10.1 charger I use with my N10 (now along with a Pogo cable) and my N10 charges rapidly. That, coupled with the two wires shorted out in Samy's setup for the larger amp's.....also, in my job, I work with other chargers all the time and use them all the time across multi platforms, to include my N10, and it charges fine (albeit much more slowly).
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My charger(PS) for my Dell Streak 7 works just fine with the N10. This all makes sense except for the fact that the poster stated using a: 3rd party 5V 3A charger,liteon brand which didn't work.

wptski said:
My charger(PS) for my Dell Streak 7 works just fine with the N10. This all makes sense except for the fact that the poster stated using a: 3rd party 5V 3A charger,liteon brand which didn't work.
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Should still work fine. Voltage is the same and the device will only draw as much amperage as needed. May have something to do with the circuitry in the charger? It may have been bad. As long as you don't supply more volts you are OK. More amps is also OK. Not enough amps will lead to burning up the charger unless the device is smart enough to realize its on a low amp charger (like the n10) and kick down so as not to over draw (ie - over drawing from the USB port which is a .5amp (500mAmp) or 1amp (1000mAmp)...someone correct me on the number here please)
The whole reason manufacturers tell you not to use someone else's charger is so you don't plug in, say, a 12 volt charger into a 5 volt item. That would pop something. That or some cheap charger poorly built could allow "dirty" power through causing problems. Both issues voiding warranties

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but depending on the usage of the tablet, you might not be able to charge it quicker than the power usage. For me, if I'm playing a demanding game at 1.7Ghz and max brightness, neither USB or Pogo can charge the tablet, and battery still drops (slower, but still drops).

swany6mm said:
Should still work fine. Voltage is the same and the device will only draw as much amperage as needed. May have something to do with the circuitry in the charger? It may have been bad. As long as you don't supply more volts you are OK. More amps is also OK. Not enough amps will lead to burning up the charger unless the device is smart enough to realize its on a low amp charger (like the n10) and kick down so as not to over draw (ie - over drawing from the USB port which is a .5amp (500mAmp) or 1amp (1000mAmp)...someone correct me on the number here please)
The whole reason manufacturers tell you not to use someone else's charger is so you don't plug in, say, a 12 volt charger into a 5 volt item. That would pop something. That or some cheap charger poorly built could allow "dirty" power through causing problems. Both issues voiding warranties
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Never seen anything burn up because of low amperage., power or watts generate heat and power(watts)=voltage x current.
Did you ever see a PS(charger is inside the N10) with a USB port that supplies anything but 5V? I haven't.

Current (amps) does the charging.
No USB charger will provide anything more than 5.1 volts. If the charging block has a USB plug look at the rating. Amperage for smaller devices may be 1a or even less. Newer big smartphones have bigger batteries and need more current to charge. My old Thunderbolt charger is 1A, the charger Motorola provides for my Maxx HD is 1.5A, the Samsung charger for my Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 is a 2 amp charger, so is the charger for the iPad that some frickin' jerk ripped off from my house. The Xoom escaped that problem by having a separate charge plug, not using the USB system, it 12 volts at 1.5 amps. See the pattern? A tablet of any kind has an even bigger battery and needs even more current to charge. The reason the N10 may lose charge even when plugged in is that the charger can't deliver the current needed to run the device and charge the battery simultaneously.
As I see it, Samsung and Google need to supply a slightly higher amperage power block to compensate for the use/charge balance problem. Our solution would be to turn it off and charge the device every night or even leave it plugged in when not in use.
Another thing is the surface area for current transfer. The USB points are tiny, the POGO Pins, dedicated to charging would be able to handle more current because they have more surface area.
Any one who knows better may correct me, I just ordered an N10 today from Google so my information here is what I have read here and what I know from years in the electronics field..

ongre12 said:
No USB charger will provide anything more than 5.1 volts. If the charging block has a USB plug look at the rating. Amperage for smaller devices may be 1a or even less. Newer big smartphones have bigger batteries and need more current to charge. My old Thunderbolt charger is 1A, the charger Motorola provides for my Maxx HD is 1.5A, the Samsung charger for my Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 is a 2 amp charger, so is the charger for the iPad that some frickin' jerk ripped off from my house. The Xoom escaped that problem by having a separate charge plug, not using the USB system, it 12 volts at 1.5 amps. See the pattern? A tablet of any kind has an even bigger battery and needs even more current to charge. The reason the N10 may lose charge even when plugged in is that the charger can't deliver the current needed to run the device and charge the battery simultaneously.
As I see it, Samsung and Google need to supply a slightly higher amperage power block to compensate for the use/charge balance problem. Our solution would be to turn it off and charge the device every night or even leave it plugged in when not in use.
Another thing is the surface area for current transfer. The USB points are tiny, the POGO Pins, dedicated to charging would be able to handle more current because they have more surface area.
Any one who knows better may correct me, I just ordered an N10 today from Google so my information here is what I have read here and what I know from years in the electronics field..
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You don't need more current to charge a bigger battery, it's all about how long it will take to charge to full.
Some have stated that they've seen a 3A battery drain with certain games. The 9Ah battery would last approx. 3 hours which exceeds the max rate of the charging circuit and the PS. Even on a fully charged battery at that rate doesn't last that long.

AFAIK for any tablet to be able to draw 2A from any 5V charger (that can supply the needed amperage) the data pins (middle two pins from the use cable) have to be at 2.5V. Otherwise even if the charger is with correct specifications 5V/2A the tablet might not charge at all, or charge at a lower rate.
Sent from my Nexus 10 using Tapatalk HD

I forget the actual brand/model of the actual charging chip but if you poke around in the N10 files you can find it but it's specs are list as 2.5A max but N10's code limits it to 2.1A. This isn't the PS wall wart commonly called the "charger".

The recommended charging current for any lithium ion or lithium polymer is 0.7C. What that actually means is a current 0.7 x max capacity in mAh. For most phones e.g. my Galaxy Note 2 with a capacity of 3100 mAh this means a current at about 1.7A.
The battery Nexus 10, on the other hand, could very well be charged at a whooping 6.3A current.
In USB Battery Charging Specification 1.2 the maximum current a USB port can supply for charging purposes can be as high as 5A.
With the Perseus kernel for Note 2 you can actually specify the max limit for how much current the phone will draw from any charger.
So in theory.. it should be possible to charge the Nexus 10 with a 5V 5-6,3A charger.. and that would probably be very quick!
For the record: I havn't seen many (any?) chargers with more that 2.3A

MartiniGM said:
The recommended charging current for any lithium ion or lithium polymer is 0.7C. What that actually means is a current 0.7 x max capacity in mAh. For most phones e.g. my Galaxy Note 2 with a capacity of 3100 mAh this means a current at about 1.7A.
The battery Nexus 10, on the other hand, could very well be charged at a whooping 6.3A current.
In USB Battery Charging Specification 1.2 the maximum current a USB port can supply for charging purposes can be as high as 5A.
With the Perseus kernel for Note 2 you can actually specify the max limit for how much current the phone will draw from any charger.
So in theory.. it should be possible to charge the Nexus 10 with a 5V 5-6,3A charger.. and that would probably be very quick!
For the record: I havn't seen many (any?) chargers with more that 2.3A
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Sure the charging rate is way under what it should be but as they use larger and larger capacity cells the only solution is a removable cell to charge by other means.

[Q] How much can the phone get charged maximum? can it handle 2A?

Hi,
I've got my phone with samsung's charger of 1A (bought it from an open store locally - it was the cheapest), so I ordered a Sony Ericsson charger of 1.5A which charges up much faster..
My question is, could it goes even faster?
I've seen some Galaxy Note 2 and S 4 charger of 2A like these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2A-USB-Wall...S_Cell_Phone_PDA_Chargers&hash=item5658d7a0bd
http://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-2A-USB-...l_Phone_PDA_Chargers&var=&hash=item51aabf953a
Could our phone handle it and charge it with the whole 2A power? could it ruin the battery with that high Ampere?
I'm asking this because I've ordered a docking station like this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261247762140?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
Which says 1.6A, so I was thinking perhaps theres stronger chargers out there for it..
Thanks!

im not sure about this but i believe the charger that comes with the phone is a 2 amp charger

It can handle 2A through USB port.
Via the charging dock, it can take 1.8A. Is that dock you are linking to an original part?
I have two DK26 docks and both say 1.8A, not 1.6A. Although if you connect a 2A charger to the dock, it'll be fine, it just won't be using the whole 2A input.

skinsfanbdh said:
im not sure about this but i believe the charger that comes with the phone is a 2 amp charger
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I've never seen a Sony's charger with 2Amp, do you mind to picture the detailed information in the back of your charger please?
DrKrFfXx said:
It can handle 2A through USB port.
Via the charging dock, it can take 1.8A. Is that dock you are linking to an original part?
I have two DK26 docks and both say 1.8A, not 1.6A,
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The Dock I've linked is a chinese copy, not the original, the one says 1.6A on description on Ebay, Does your original DK26 dock comes with charger too? What input and output is it says on each one? (picture could help much)
Also, how do you know it can handle 2A through USB? is that for sure?
Thanks for both!

The docks come barebone. No chargers included.
The charger included on the box of the phone is rated at 1.5A.
I have a Nexus 7 2A charger and an old Nokia 1.2A charger aside from the included 1.5A charger. All work fine either via USB or via the dock.
I can't notice any mayor difference on charging times, though. 1.2A charges almost as if not as fast as the 2A one. Iphone's 1A chargers do seem to take like 4 hours to charge the phone compared to the standard 2.5h I get from other higher rated wall chargers.
There are no 2A Sony chargers as of now.

DrKrFfXx said:
The docks come barebone. No chargers included.
The charger included on the box of the phone is rated at 1.5A.
I have a Nexus 7 2A charger and an old Nokia 1.2A charger aside from the included 1.5A charger. All work fine either via USB or via the dock.
I can't notice any mayor difference on charging times, though. 1.2A charges almost as if not as fast as the 2A one. Iphone's 1A chargers do seem to take like 4 hours to charge the phone compared to the standard 2.5h I get from other higher rated wall chargers.
There are no 2A Sony chargers as of now.
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I see, I think I've cleared my doubts and I shell buy this 2A samsungs charger..
Thanks!

mcjordan92 said:
I see, I think I've cleared my doubts and I shell buy this 2A samsungs charger..
Thanks!
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I'm using a 2A as my car charger works perfect.
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It should handel 2.A but I won't remand it. I don't think it's good for battery. But one thing is pretty sure. The phone will heat more up as the charging circuit have to dissipate more excess power. Can not affirm it as I don't exactly know it's made but I'm just saying...
"I know that my English isn't perfect, but I still hope it's comprehensible." Send over the cool Xperia Z

The downside would be possibly shortening the usable life of your battery, because the higher amp charging will likely heat the battery to a higher temp.
There's no free lunch.
To me, waiting a bit longer for charging is worth it to ensure the longest charge cycle life, particularly since the battery is sealed into the device. If it was a cheap and easy replaceable battery, maybe.

Amps don't matter unless it is lower than the specification
Think about your car battery having 700amps but your car stereo is fused for 20amps. Your car stereo gets its power from the battery directly. There is no power regulation. Your device will take only what it needs. It won't effect the life of your battery. Think about the charger you plugged into the wall socket. A wall socket can generate enough current to melt metal. Lower power draw is cooler but really just make sure the voltage rating matches and the amp rating isn't too low. USB should be 5 volts anyways. The big issue with amperage, can the charger handle the draw? Example would be a 3000watt car amp drawing power from a 18 gauge speaker wire. It might work but the wire will heat up since it isn't designed to carry that much current.
In short for USB the charger amperage can be higher than the device needs but probably no less than 1/2 the rated amps for the device.

As above, you could plug in a 200A charger and the phone will still only draw the same current as from a 2A charger.
The amount of current drawn by the device is firmware controlled to protect the battery from heat damage.
The stock charger is 1.5A so the phone must draw no more than that.

It's all about cables too. I have a 2 amp TomTom charger hooked up to a 3 metre long USB cable but it charges slower than the standard 'in the box' charger Sony supply at 1.5 amp.
More cable and wrong core rating = more energy lost or wasted. I actually had to ask a sparky about this one, but it's true. Cable length, rating and core make all the difference.
For instance.
If you hooked up a 3 amp charger (I had one for an old phone) to a cable that can only handle 1 amp then you will only get 1 amp into the device, probably melt your cable too over time.
Honestly, the best bet is to use as near as dammit to the original rating on the included in the box charger. Electricity is a funny thing, it can screw your phone up in ways only time and noting the battery life will show.
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Is a fast USB car charger harmful?

After looking up a bit on USB car chargers, many people seem to recommend the Scosche Dual USB Car Charger (reVOLT 12W + 12W). Each USB port outputs 2.4A of power to charge any device (there's a known issue with this charger for some non Apple devices, you should use charge-only USB for those), but our HTC One stock charger outputs only 1A.
I am afraid a fast car charger like this one will easily overheat my battery, charging it much faster than usual and degrading its lifespan. Should I worry about this or can I order this charger and not worry about it?
I'm confused because a lot of people recommend car chargers like this one (with more output power than what the stock charger of your device gives you) and no review mentions the issue I'm raising here. Is this a non-issue?
Would appreciate more information on this topic from more knowledgeable people in this area.

Nazgulled said:
After looking up a bit on USB car chargers, many people seem to recommend the Scosche Dual USB Car Charger (reVOLT 12W + 12W). Each USB port outputs 2.4A of power to charge any device (there's a known issue with this charger for some non Apple devices, you should use charge-only USB for those), but our HTC One stock charger outputs only 1A.
I am afraid a fast car charger like this one will easily overheat my battery, charging it much faster than usual and degrading its lifespan. Should I worry about this or can I order this charger and not worry about it?
I'm confused because a lot of people recommend car chargers like this one (with more output power than what the stock charger of your device gives you) and no review mentions the issue I'm raising here. Is this a non-issue?
Would appreciate more information on this topic from more knowledgeable people in this area.
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I'm no expert here but it is my understanding that the phone will take what it requires to charge no matter if you have a 1A or a 2A charger meaning that you will be wasting the power delivered by the charger. I don't think it will affect the battery nor will make it charge faster as I think the internal logic of the phone would not permit so. It could also be the case that HTC limited the power output on the charger but not on the phone meaning that in this case it will charge faster, and I think degrading battery life. Anyway, if you have someone with a higher amp charger you can test this yourself by measuring the time it takes to fully charge with the original charger and the other one. It will not really have an impact in battery life if you just try.
I guess I didn't respond to your question actually! Sorry

Thanks anyway
But if anyone knows the answer for a fact, please pitch in...

J_M_V_S said:
I'm no expert here but it is my understanding that the phone will take what it requires to charge no matter if you have a 1A or a 2A charger meaning that you will be wasting the power delivered by the charger. I don't think it will affect the battery nor will make it charge faster as I think the internal logic of the phone would not permit so. It could also be the case that HTC limited the power output on the charger but not on the phone meaning that in this case it will charge faster, and I think degrading battery life. Anyway, if you have someone with a higher amp charger you can test this yourself by measuring the time it takes to fully charge with the original charger and the other one. It will not really have an impact in battery life if you just try.
I guess I didn't respond to your question actually! Sorry
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You definitely aren't expert, neither am I, but there are couple things:
You were right about that, that device should pull only as much as it needs.
But he won't waste power (in ideal world). As the phone pulls only 1A from 1A or from 2A charger, he still be pulling 5Vx1A = 5W.
Now, to the original question.
Basically every device pulls as much as it can / needs. The Amps on charger says about how much can it deliver maximum.
The question is, how is constructed htc charging circuit. Whether it relays on maximum from charger, or it has internal limitor..
I will try to make an example to make it clearer:
Imagine, that you have a tube made of glass and a reservoir full of water. Tube is your phone and reservoir is charger.
Now, 2 situations can ocur:
1, Tube is made of very thin glass and it relays, that there won;'t be bigger pressure (more water) in reservoir. If there would be more, tube would crack.
2, Although tube is made of thin glass, it has some mechanism included, let's say pressure regulator on the beginning to reduce the pressure.
Now the question is, which of these cases is our phone about.

In short, the HTC One will pull only 1A out of your charger, regardless of whether it's 2A or 100A. The only way you can make it pull more than 1A is by installing a custom kernel like ElementalX or Bulletproof and ticking on 'Enable USB fast charge' which is disabled by default because it shortens the battery's life.

remusator said:
You definitely aren't expert, neither am I, but there are couple things:
You were right about that, that device should pull only as much as it needs.
But he won't waste power (in ideal world). As the phone pulls only 1A from 1A or from 2A charger, he still be pulling 5Vx1A = 5W.
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What I meant to say is that it would be wasting a 2A charger whilst the phone only seems to require 1A, not meaning that the charger will still be delivering at maximum capacity (2A).
Guess none of us could answer his question as we still don't know how the phone handles the charge.

Subjective answer from an anonymous noob, but I charge my phone with a 2.1A wall charger (built into a power board) and there's no perceptible change in charge rate. I've also used a cheap portible charger, a lithium 800mA, and that battery gets HOT like my m7 is pulling 1A just because it detects it's not limited to usbs 500mA (the power dialog reports AC charging mode).
So it seems to me to be a simple 2 mode as shown as a status in the power dialog, either usb or AC. But, I haven't actually measured or tested anything; this is all just casual observation and assumption.

Can I blow up my USB device?
There is a huge variance, then, between normal USB 2.0 ports rated at 500mA and dedicated charging ports which range all the way up to 2100mA. This leads to a rather important question: If you take a smartphone which came with a 1A wall charger, and plug it into a 2A iPad charger, will it blow up?
In short, no: You can plug any USB device into any USB cable and into any USB port, and nothing will blow up — and in fact, using a more powerful charger should speed up battery charging.
The longer answer is that the age of your device plays an important role, dictating both how fast it can be charged, and whether it can be charged using a wall charger at all. In 2007, the USB Implementers Forum released the Battery Charging Specification, which standardized faster ways of charging USB devices, either by pumping more amps through your PC’s USB ports, or by using a wall charger. Shortly thereafter, USB devices that implemented this spec started to arrive.
Fast forward to 2013 and the HTC One. It is equipped with a USB 2.0 port and when no data is transferred it will accept a charge up to 1A with a minimal standard of 500mA. When you buy a charger that says 2A output, this normally means a max of 2A for the charger. When it comes to charging the phone, the phone will only pull enough power it can from the charger and not more.

@Nazgulled
Now a days Car charger is so essential for us. But when we chose A Car charger for our device its not match, so it s harmful for us & its some time cases to damage our device.
Most of the time The power out put of the car its 12V or 24V. and The Charger give different out put for different device. And its a major thing about the charger whats Ampere given output. Avantek Car charger give us different option ; I think its give different out for our device. Avantek take also help auto adjust to the device. So its protect the device.
I Use Avantek Car Charger for my family & You can also try it for your device.

Nazgulled said:
After looking up a bit on USB car chargers, many people seem to recommend the Scosche Dual USB Car Charger (reVOLT 12W + 12W). Each USB port outputs 2.4A of power to charge any device (there's a known issue with this charger for some non Apple devices, you should use charge-only USB for those), but our HTC One stock charger outputs only 1A.
I am afraid a fast car charger like this one will easily overheat my battery, charging it much faster than usual and degrading its lifespan. Should I worry about this or can I order this charger and not worry about it?
I'm confused because a lot of people recommend car chargers like this one (with more output power than what the stock charger of your device gives you) and no review mentions the issue I'm raising here. Is this a non-issue?
Would appreciate more information on this topic from more knowledgeable people in this area.
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Yes, fast usb car chargers may harm your device. Because if device get power more than its capacity then it would be definitely harm your costly devices. So please purchase a perfect and valuable charger for your devices long life.

Also quick note using a charger that charges your device faster will decrease the life of your battery, remember slow charging is best for the battery and that goes for all batteries

To answer conclusively as I have before:
I've had many many many phones and this is what I've learned over the years through experience and a lot of searching. Our phones are designed for whatever rating it is on the stock charger, which is 1A. However we have chargers that support more current. Which leads us into the next part.
Phones will only "pull" what is it rated for. It controls the final pressure valve in the water metaphor. In this example. Our phones are rated 1A Max @ stock kernel. "Extra power" isnt and cannot used up due to this rating. hence no extra loss except on your wallet. Fast charge raises the rating and limits vary from kernel to kernel. I've used my phone with a 2.4a charger + fast charge enabled before and its fine. Its a little warm (more on that in next paragraph) I'm on "dirty unicorns" ROM and I haven't gotten around to checking the limits
Regardless.. Whether it is detrimental to your phone battery is personal choice as having the % below 40 and heat is #1 enemy to batteries. Our batteries are designed for 5 years max anyway. If you want to play it safe, get a 1A charger and a max 6ft cable as more = less current. Make sure this cable is not from eBay or has sufficient guage size as the copper in some eBay cables can be thinner than your hair. This is important.
If you're looking for unpractical long term savings. Keep your phone room temperature within its temperature rating. Keep charge above 40%, optimally around 80% as lithium batteries degenerate when kept near 100% for too long. (See how frail our current battery designs are? There are higher battery tech our there, but due to cost none are in phones)
I've had horrible horrible power efficiency Roms before and as worst, it just stays on one % value without dropping (no fast charge, 1a charger)
Charging only cables are useless because since 4.3 kernels, android supports iPhone chargers as well.
In addition, car chargers have built in voltage regulators in them, our 12v car source can actually range from 8v to 30v depending on conditions. 8v on crank, and during cold days, 14.4 alternator running, 24v on car boosts. Most car 12v ports are unregulated and Most car chargers operate around 11-15v and give off excess power as heat. Given this, in truly exceptional cases, unless you deliberately overload the charger, we're still good as 5v from a GOOD charger are pretty stable for the phone. Monoprice sells good chargers with good electronic internals for a very good price. Bad chargers pass off this electrical noise to your phone.
TL-Dr.. no difference between 2.4a and 1a. Phone takes what it is rated for(1a). Extra isn't used. Fast charge kernels can increase this rating at a slight warming of phone. In all cases, heat / below 40% = more detrimental to battery life than current speeds. Get a good cable with good gauge size. (Copper width)
If you need further proof, google the terms I have presented or search XDA. There has been many "conclusive" posts on this matter and you'll find many of them say this same exact thing.
Phew.. What a long post.
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Smart IC Powerful will determine the current which your phone needs
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HTC m7 can take max 1.5A but it seem to not work with many chargers, in such case it falls back to 1A.
But if youre using the phone for GPS navigation, then charging faster will just make it more hot (hot from usage + even more hot from charging) and it will stop charging anyway (because of the heat).
Also, heat is biggest enemy of batteries, the hotter it gets while charging the worse it is for the battery.