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Hi,
I just stuck here, cause I found a thread about fast usb charging. But there is no answers or solutions.
I have many htc devices. It seems that some of them has a problem with 3rd party usb chargers.
My most used device is Universal. It suck a lot of power. THis one doesn't enable usb charging at all, until you put it in sleep mode before pluging the charger.
Anyway, the same issue for Kaiser too.
The problem is, that it doesn't matter how much current is the charger able to deliver. They just use some kind of recognition of original chargers.
What I already measured: Original charger and universal running => takes 1200mA. 3rd party charger or my 5A PSU => Universal/Kaiser sucks just 500mA.
This is fast/slow charge. I found here discussion about 4 and 5 pins shorted??
But WTF which 4 & 5 pin?
http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2006/09/10/htc_hermes_usb_connector_pin_config
According to this pinout. It would be 2 GND of Audio side? I'm not sure that original charger use extUSB audio side to charge...? It also could be D & A pins, but I'm afraid to connect 5V to Data- pin.
Anyway, someone here have to know it.
If not, in a few days I'll try all possible combinations and post the results.
Thanks
Shef
I'd also be interested to know about this. When I charge my TYTN II via USB, it takes much longer to charge than if I charge it via the mains charger (I prefer USB since I travel a lot and it's one less charger I need to carry around).
Better still, is it possible to buy a USB cable that will charge at the same rate as the mains charger rather than messing with a USB cable with the associated risks?
Best,
Gary.
Shef said:
Hi,
What I already measured: Original charger and universal running => takes 1200mA. 3rd party charger or my 5A PSU => Universal/Kaiser sucks just 500mA.
This is fast/slow charge. I found here discussion about 4 and 5 pins shorted??
But WTF which 4 & 5 pin?
http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2006/09/10/htc_hermes_usb_connector_pin_config
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a usb port only supplies 500ma, while the wall charger does 1200ma as the OP has measured (although it says 1A at the back of the charger). changing a cable is not gonna superpower up your usb port.
unless maybe you get hold of a forked USB cable, like the one that Seagate Free Agent drives come supplied with... you know, 1 mini USB splitting halfway down to two normal USB plugs.
Worth experimenting with, do you think?
wyrm said:
unless maybe you get hold of a forked USB cable, like the one that Seagate Free Agent drives come supplied with... you know, 1 mini USB splitting halfway down to two normal USB plugs.
Worth experimenting with, do you think?
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good call.......with a little googling i came up with this
http://www.universaluk.com/acatalog...2_x_Type_A_to_mini_B__USB_2_0__1m__Lindy.html
tried ebay, my brief search came up with lots of unrelated results, so i gave up
I got one of those leads, came with my portable 2.5" hard drive. Just tried the lead on my Tytn 2 and it does charge almost as fast as the mains plug
Success
Ok, so, I tried to experiment.
Here you go.
Usb simple cable 480ma charge.
The same result with Motorola charger.
Motorola charger pins A and B short circuit - 890mA.
That's much better, althrough I suppose it can suck more current then 890mA, but it's significantly better.
THere is also pins data+ and data- short circuited (I don't know if it has effect, but I can't disconnect it in this connector).
Apparently NC (not connected) pin on our pinout schematics definitely is connected.
With % of charged battery it suck less and less current....I suppose it's usual, this should be even driven by ROM.
So, update your cables
It works even with car charger, so no more charger problems...
Shef
Just to be clear - you took a Motorola USB cable and shorted pins A and B (which are which by the way?) and it provides a decent current....
How do you short the pins? I've looked in the end of cable and I can hardly see the pins, let alone short them! What's the trick here or have I missed something?
Thanks,
Gary.
Shef said:
Ok, so, I tried to experiment.
Here you go.
Usb simple cable 480ma charge.
The same result with Motorola charger.
Motorola charger pins A and B short circuit - 890mA.
That's much better, althrough I suppose it can suck more current then 890mA, but it's significantly better.
THere is also pins data+ and data- short circuited (I don't know if it has effect, but I can't disconnect it in this connector).
Apparently NC (not connected) pin on our pinout schematics definitely is connected.
With % of charged battery it suck less and less current....I suppose it's usual, this should be even driven by ROM.
So, update your cables
It works even with car charger, so no more charger problems...
Shef
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Also interested in how to short the pins. I use Navizon, bluetooth HSDPA tethering, and iGuidance while on the ambulance and even my iGo 3A max rated charger can barely keep up because the tilt wont accept all of the available current.
So have anyone found a way to fast charge our ppc through usb??
Yes, that is correct. Short pins 4 & 5 (4 is normally NC) to enable fast-charging. If you do it correctly, the phone shouldn't pick up tethering, and therefore should not say "PC Connected" or the like..
The TracyAndMatt pinout is wrongly numbered. The pin assignments are correct, but the number/letter scheme they used is incorrect. True ExtUSB pinout translation to their pinout is as follows:
T & M Real ExtUSB
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Pins E D C B A = 1 2 3 4 5
Pins 1 2 3 4 5 6 = 6 7 8 9 10 11
The way I remember is that the corner opposite the angled one is where pin 1 starts (where E is on the T&M pinout) - and they go like most IEC-standard connectors, in a clock-like circular numbering scheme.
Here's a better pinout: http://pinouts.ru/PDA/htc_extUSB_pinout.shtml
Hope this helps!
--W5i2
its the milliamps that is the problem even doubling up with a y splitter does not do much Find a charger with the most milliamps for a faster charge 1.2 amps works best and as far as i know no usb port puts out that much even if they are wired in a series. Many try to sell lower amp chargers they dont even know about it at att. if the screen is off they will charge but not well these phones are energy hogs. I must have at least twenty chargers and messed around with them... the original or one of highest amperage works for me.
Check winhlp.com/node/855 for the answer.
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/* A9 reports USB charging when helf AC cable in and China AC charger. */
/* Work arround: notify userspace AC charging first,
and notify USB charging again when receiving usb connected notificaiton from usb driver. *
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I find this annoying. I can't tell if my wall charger is fast charging or not because the G1 always says "AC"
hgmichna said:
Check winhlp.com/node/855 for the answer.
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That is not going to help HTC owners.
HTC charging cable
kiss_se said:
That is not going to help HTC owners.
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http://winhlp.com/node/855 was explicitly written for HTC smartphone owners.
hgmichna said:
[...] was explicitly written for HTC smartphone owners.
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Sorry, I meant to say: That is not going to help extusb owners.
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Check winhlp.com/node/855 for the answer.
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Is it possible to get one of the 'fast charge' enabled USB cables on eBay or elsewhere? I am not keen on doing the mod described.
What is the maximum mAh recommended for HTC devices? Is it still 1.2 A or more?
zurpher said:
Is it possible to get one of the 'fast charge' enabled USB cables on eBay or elsewhere? I am not keen on doing the mod described.
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Check http://winhlp.com/node/855#qaes for the only buyable solution I know, besides compatible chargers. Your best bet is probably the original HTC charger, available for roughly $10.
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What is the maximum mAh recommended for HTC devices? Is it still 1.2 A or more?
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There can be no recommended maximum mAh. There can only be a required current, which differs from device to device. Check Ohm's Law. The device determines how much current it draws. If the charger cannot deliver that current, then the charging process can fail in various ways, all undesirable.
hgmichna said:
Check http://winhlp.com/node/855#qaes for the only buyable solution I know, besides compatible chargers. Your best bet is probably the original HTC charger, available for roughly $10.
There can be no recommended maximum mAh. There can only be a required current, which differs from device to device. Check Ohm's Law. The device determines how much current it draws. If the charger cannot deliver that current, then the charging process can fail in various ways, all undesirable.
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Could the USB Switching 2A Power Charger Adapter Convertor Plug be similar in function to the one that you've linked?
zurpher said:
Could the USB Switching 2A Power Charger Adapter Convertor Plug be similar in function to the one that you've linked?
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I don't know, but probably not. Apple used to use a different signalling scheme involving resistors.
I just found this at Newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16855999185
Think it's safe to use?
Why not this one: http://store.xda-developers.com/xproduct.php?xProd=725&xSec=22
It works and is both USB Car & Home Charger
that is an interesting charger! yet, the question remain, is it safe? lol
I just bought something like that from walmart....You have to assume that if it has USB ports on it for charging then it puts out the 5v that USB is supposed to and so it "should" work. That said, I dont know for sure but I think its a good bet it wll.
Agree with the above post. Often these chargers will output approx 5V but only 500mA compared to the standard mains chrger at 1000mA.
I doubt, unless someone has one, that anyone will say for sure it is safe, if only because sometimes there can be problems with these kinds of charger where it will only charge when the device is off for example. Having said this it's very unlikely it will harm your Kaiser.
Mike
mikechannon said:
Agree with the above post. Often these chargers will output approx 5V but only 500mA compared to the standard mains chrger at 1000mA.
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I have a car charger that is basically a USB plugging into the Cig Lighter with max output of 1000mA. When purchasing these it is always a good idea to contact the seller and verify the Max Output.
As for downside, it has the same limitations as charging from your PC USB i.e. generally they won't charge a battery under a critical (usually 10%) level or completely dead for that you need the OEM Wall Charger.
I have 4 of the wall/car chargers and have used them for at least 4 years or so on 3-4 different devices. One is from boxwave and the other three are from another vendor whose name currently escapes me. I've never had a problem with any of my devices and, at least for me, they charge well and fairly quickly.
Greetings! I was wondering what is the maximum rated input current of the Xperia Z. There's no indication of it's rated input current anywhere on the phone. The supplied charger is rated at 1.5A and I was wondering if a higher amperage charger above 5V 1.5A (such as of those catered to tablets/ipad) would charge the battery at a faster rate before investing in one.
Anyone with any experience using a higher amperage charger on the Z could advice on any notable improvements in charging time as well.
Thanks!
Used a Nexus 7 charger rated at 2A and it charged fine with no detrimental effects. Charging time is about 1.5, hours from 10% to full.
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cliffordlee said:
Greetings! I was wondering what is the maximum rated input current of the Xperia Z. There's no indication of it's rated input current anywhere on the phone. The supplied charger is rated at 1.5A and I was wondering if a higher amperage charger above 5V 1.5A (such as of those catered to tablets/ipad) would charge the battery at a faster rate before investing in one.
Anyone with any experience using a higher amperage charger on the Z could advice on any notable improvements in charging time as well.
Thanks!
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While increasing the Amps will result into fast charging... the bad part is that it kills your battery life overall.
I've tried Sony charger rated output 1500mA
and Galaxy tab charger 2A
phone on, screen off
in 10 minutes charge, both added , just the same, 10% juice.
may try it longer next time.
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While increasing the Amps will result into fast charging... the bad part is that it kills your battery life overall.
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Would you care to explain?
Great findings! I guess it's safe to say that there is no notable reduction in charging times even with the provision of higher amperage chargers, and that the Xperia Z's power management IC can only take in 1500mA at max.
moraal said:
Would you care to explain?
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Charging at higher amperage would generate more heat and this increase in heat would degrade the battery cells at an increased rate, thus reducing the lifetime of the battery in the long run
Well unless you value your charging time (or loss of usable time) more than the cost of premature replacement of battery, then quick charging is for you. Personally, given a choice, I'd rather not charge at a higher current unless necessary, especially when time is the essence. (;
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Would you care to explain?
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I will post when I find the correct link.
Erm I'm fairly sure that whatever amp you use the phone will only draw a set amount I used a 2500mah charger with my old phone for two years no difference in charging time nor degraded battery life or iverheating , just meant I had one charger for everything lol
That's correct, it's impossible to over-charge or charge too quickly a device by using a charger with a higher current rating than the original charger. Current flow is a RESULTING property of a particular voltage applied across a particular resistance. Applying too much voltage will usually be detrimental, but you cannot SUPPLY too much current. The device will draw as much as it needs unless it is limited by the charger's maximum current rating first.
I've been using an old Blackberry charger rated at much less than 1000mA. It might take a bit longer to charge, but I love the long, supple lead that comes with it.
SF
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Can someone explain me this...
My Xperia Z came with (1) Power plug-adapter with USB port + (2) USB to Micro-USB cable + (3) Docking station.
The (1) has Output = 1500 mA written on it, the (3) has 1800 mA on it.
Questions:
Can the USB cable transfer more than 500 mA? From reading USB page on Wiki, looks like it can do 1500 mA - 5000 mA when not transferring data so I should not worry about the cable?
What is the point of including a 1800 mA docking station + 1500 mA power plug? Does the station only charge at 1500 mA when connected with that plug or am I missing something?
Thanks, sorry for noob questions
Sushifiend said:
That's correct, it's impossible to over-charge or charge too quickly a device by using a charger with a higher current rating than the original charger. Current flow is a RESULTING property of a particular voltage applied across a particular resistance. Applying too much voltage will usually be detrimental, but you cannot SUPPLY too much current. The device will draw as much as it needs unless it is limited by the charger's maximum current rating first.
I've been using an old Blackberry charger rated at much less than 1000mA. It might take a bit longer to charge, but I love the long, supple lead that comes with it.
SF
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The charging chip it self support higher current by default, but the manufacturer chooses the charger depending on different factors, design of the phone, capacity of the battery and also their stock chargers available... they will choose the best charger to match... in most cases it will be rated lower than what the charging chip is capable of...
the charging chip has it's limits also... using regular USB cables will only provides the standard current... I've used same amperage chargers as the orignal but with different cable and charging was slower... when I switched to the original cable charging was faster and had the same time as original charger ( same amperage )
When you use the original cable and higher current charger then you will have faster charging...
My Xperia arc came with socket charger rated at 950mA and a car charger rated at 1200mA... and the car charger is really faster but only when I use the original cable, when I used a longer cheap cable the charging was actually slower... even when I'm charging non-Sony devices ( like my Note 2 ) when I use original cable ( wether Samsung or Sony one ) charging is always faster... I don't know why it might be a way to protect the standard usb cable from over-current as the standard USB current is 500mA, so the charger will normally send the usual current unless the device requested higher current then it will negotiate with the charger to send higher current the original cables might have something like impedance between some pins so the phone will detect them as original then they will negotiate the charger to send higher current or the charger might actually use the other pins to send higher current but the phone will only use these pins when it detect the original cable... if not then it will not use these pins and will have regular 500mA charging... I've always faced this when dealing with other cables... now when I want longer cable I just use USB extension cable with the original cable and it will work !
wlkatz said:
Can someone explain me this...
My Xperia Z came with (1) Power plug-adapter with USB port + (2) USB to Micro-USB cable + (3) Docking station.
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As you've got the docking station can you tell us how it's wired?
Which pin is + and which is -
Cheers
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Thanks for all the replies, really informative.
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As you've got the docking station can you tell us how it's wired?
Which pin is + and which is -
Cheers
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Looking at the dock station from the front, + is on the left, - is on the right.
See pic + bonus
Also will be grateful if someone could answer my questions on 1st page.
wlkatz said:
Can someone explain me this...
My Xperia Z came with (1) Power plug-adapter with USB port + (2) USB to Micro-USB cable + (3) Docking station.
The (1) has Output = 1500 mA written on it, the (3) has 1800 mA on it.
Questions:
Can the USB cable transfer more than 500 mA? From reading USB page on Wiki, looks like it can do 1500 mA - 5000 mA when not transferring data so I should not worry about the cable?
What is the point of including a 1800 mA docking station + 1500 mA power plug? Does the station only charge at 1500 mA when connected with that plug or am I missing something?
Thanks, sorry for noob questions
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- Yes, the cable can easily transfer more than 500mah. No worries.
- It means the docking station is rated for a maximum of 1800mah - so if you buy a 2100mah charger, the docking station may get warm and if it fails Sony won't cover it under warranty. If you use the 1500mah power plug, then the docking station supplies the 1500mah - it's just a pass-through. The docking station itself doesn't really have additional circuitry.
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Looking at the dock station from the front, + is on the left, - is on the right.
Also will be grateful if someone could answer my questions on 1st page.
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Prefect thanks!
Can now make some docks/charging clips using sugru and a usb cable
Not sure why the dock would be rated at 1800, unless they've fitted it with some circuitry, a simple micro usb to prongs would do.
I charge mine using the adapter that came with my note tablet which is 2a and also with the 2a output of an external battery pack.
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fards said:
Prefect thanks!
Can now make some docks/charging clips using sugru and a usb cable
Not sure why the dock would be rated at 1800, unless they've fitted it with some circuitry, a simple micro usb to prongs would do.
I charge mine using the adapter that came with my note tablet which is 2a and also with the 2a output of an external battery pack.
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Yes, they're right to write the 1.8A there.
because, not all microUSB survive to deliver more than an amps. They maybe melt. especially the cheap one that have very small and loose contact area.
the pogo pins too... Not so easy deliver 1.8A with pogo pins...
that's why intel processor, have 1000+ pins, but almost 300pins are for power supply only (GND and VCC). Although the chip is only 1.25volts, but the current sometimes about a hundred amps (Core 2 Extreme, Core i7)
Rashkae said:
- Yes, the cable can easily transfer more than 500mah. No worries.
- It means the docking station is rated for a maximum of 1800mah - so if you buy a 2100mah charger, the docking station may get warm and if it fails Sony won't cover it under warranty. If you use the 1500mah power plug, then the docking station supplies the 1500mah - it's just a pass-through. The docking station itself doesn't really have additional circuitry.
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Wrong. If you connect a 2.1A supply, you'll see no difference.
Charging rate is set by the phone, as long as the power supply feeding it doesn't "brown out" under the load.
2.1A, 3.1A - doesn't matter, the phone will draw less (I'll need to drain my battery down a bit to determine how much less, it's often less than whatever the wall charger is rated.)
There is a possibility that when it sees voltage on the pogo pin connectors, it increases charge current to a different value than on AC via the USB port. The ext charger handling in the pm8921 driver is really convoluted and difficult to read.
Hi,
I've got my phone with samsung's charger of 1A (bought it from an open store locally - it was the cheapest), so I ordered a Sony Ericsson charger of 1.5A which charges up much faster..
My question is, could it goes even faster?
I've seen some Galaxy Note 2 and S 4 charger of 2A like these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2A-USB-Wall...S_Cell_Phone_PDA_Chargers&hash=item5658d7a0bd
http://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-2A-USB-...l_Phone_PDA_Chargers&var=&hash=item51aabf953a
Could our phone handle it and charge it with the whole 2A power? could it ruin the battery with that high Ampere?
I'm asking this because I've ordered a docking station like this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261247762140?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
Which says 1.6A, so I was thinking perhaps theres stronger chargers out there for it..
Thanks!
im not sure about this but i believe the charger that comes with the phone is a 2 amp charger
It can handle 2A through USB port.
Via the charging dock, it can take 1.8A. Is that dock you are linking to an original part?
I have two DK26 docks and both say 1.8A, not 1.6A. Although if you connect a 2A charger to the dock, it'll be fine, it just won't be using the whole 2A input.
skinsfanbdh said:
im not sure about this but i believe the charger that comes with the phone is a 2 amp charger
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I've never seen a Sony's charger with 2Amp, do you mind to picture the detailed information in the back of your charger please?
DrKrFfXx said:
It can handle 2A through USB port.
Via the charging dock, it can take 1.8A. Is that dock you are linking to an original part?
I have two DK26 docks and both say 1.8A, not 1.6A,
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The Dock I've linked is a chinese copy, not the original, the one says 1.6A on description on Ebay, Does your original DK26 dock comes with charger too? What input and output is it says on each one? (picture could help much)
Also, how do you know it can handle 2A through USB? is that for sure?
Thanks for both!
The docks come barebone. No chargers included.
The charger included on the box of the phone is rated at 1.5A.
I have a Nexus 7 2A charger and an old Nokia 1.2A charger aside from the included 1.5A charger. All work fine either via USB or via the dock.
I can't notice any mayor difference on charging times, though. 1.2A charges almost as if not as fast as the 2A one. Iphone's 1A chargers do seem to take like 4 hours to charge the phone compared to the standard 2.5h I get from other higher rated wall chargers.
There are no 2A Sony chargers as of now.
DrKrFfXx said:
The docks come barebone. No chargers included.
The charger included on the box of the phone is rated at 1.5A.
I have a Nexus 7 2A charger and an old Nokia 1.2A charger aside from the included 1.5A charger. All work fine either via USB or via the dock.
I can't notice any mayor difference on charging times, though. 1.2A charges almost as if not as fast as the 2A one. Iphone's 1A chargers do seem to take like 4 hours to charge the phone compared to the standard 2.5h I get from other higher rated wall chargers.
There are no 2A Sony chargers as of now.
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I see, I think I've cleared my doubts and I shell buy this 2A samsungs charger..
Thanks!
mcjordan92 said:
I see, I think I've cleared my doubts and I shell buy this 2A samsungs charger..
Thanks!
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I'm using a 2A as my car charger works perfect.
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It should handel 2.A but I won't remand it. I don't think it's good for battery. But one thing is pretty sure. The phone will heat more up as the charging circuit have to dissipate more excess power. Can not affirm it as I don't exactly know it's made but I'm just saying...
"I know that my English isn't perfect, but I still hope it's comprehensible." Send over the cool Xperia Z
The downside would be possibly shortening the usable life of your battery, because the higher amp charging will likely heat the battery to a higher temp.
There's no free lunch.
To me, waiting a bit longer for charging is worth it to ensure the longest charge cycle life, particularly since the battery is sealed into the device. If it was a cheap and easy replaceable battery, maybe.
Amps don't matter unless it is lower than the specification
Think about your car battery having 700amps but your car stereo is fused for 20amps. Your car stereo gets its power from the battery directly. There is no power regulation. Your device will take only what it needs. It won't effect the life of your battery. Think about the charger you plugged into the wall socket. A wall socket can generate enough current to melt metal. Lower power draw is cooler but really just make sure the voltage rating matches and the amp rating isn't too low. USB should be 5 volts anyways. The big issue with amperage, can the charger handle the draw? Example would be a 3000watt car amp drawing power from a 18 gauge speaker wire. It might work but the wire will heat up since it isn't designed to carry that much current.
In short for USB the charger amperage can be higher than the device needs but probably no less than 1/2 the rated amps for the device.
As above, you could plug in a 200A charger and the phone will still only draw the same current as from a 2A charger.
The amount of current drawn by the device is firmware controlled to protect the battery from heat damage.
The stock charger is 1.5A so the phone must draw no more than that.
It's all about cables too. I have a 2 amp TomTom charger hooked up to a 3 metre long USB cable but it charges slower than the standard 'in the box' charger Sony supply at 1.5 amp.
More cable and wrong core rating = more energy lost or wasted. I actually had to ask a sparky about this one, but it's true. Cable length, rating and core make all the difference.
For instance.
If you hooked up a 3 amp charger (I had one for an old phone) to a cable that can only handle 1 amp then you will only get 1 amp into the device, probably melt your cable too over time.
Honestly, the best bet is to use as near as dammit to the original rating on the included in the box charger. Electricity is a funny thing, it can screw your phone up in ways only time and noting the battery life will show.
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After looking up a bit on USB car chargers, many people seem to recommend the Scosche Dual USB Car Charger (reVOLT 12W + 12W). Each USB port outputs 2.4A of power to charge any device (there's a known issue with this charger for some non Apple devices, you should use charge-only USB for those), but our HTC One stock charger outputs only 1A.
I am afraid a fast car charger like this one will easily overheat my battery, charging it much faster than usual and degrading its lifespan. Should I worry about this or can I order this charger and not worry about it?
I'm confused because a lot of people recommend car chargers like this one (with more output power than what the stock charger of your device gives you) and no review mentions the issue I'm raising here. Is this a non-issue?
Would appreciate more information on this topic from more knowledgeable people in this area.
Nazgulled said:
After looking up a bit on USB car chargers, many people seem to recommend the Scosche Dual USB Car Charger (reVOLT 12W + 12W). Each USB port outputs 2.4A of power to charge any device (there's a known issue with this charger for some non Apple devices, you should use charge-only USB for those), but our HTC One stock charger outputs only 1A.
I am afraid a fast car charger like this one will easily overheat my battery, charging it much faster than usual and degrading its lifespan. Should I worry about this or can I order this charger and not worry about it?
I'm confused because a lot of people recommend car chargers like this one (with more output power than what the stock charger of your device gives you) and no review mentions the issue I'm raising here. Is this a non-issue?
Would appreciate more information on this topic from more knowledgeable people in this area.
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I'm no expert here but it is my understanding that the phone will take what it requires to charge no matter if you have a 1A or a 2A charger meaning that you will be wasting the power delivered by the charger. I don't think it will affect the battery nor will make it charge faster as I think the internal logic of the phone would not permit so. It could also be the case that HTC limited the power output on the charger but not on the phone meaning that in this case it will charge faster, and I think degrading battery life. Anyway, if you have someone with a higher amp charger you can test this yourself by measuring the time it takes to fully charge with the original charger and the other one. It will not really have an impact in battery life if you just try.
I guess I didn't respond to your question actually! Sorry
Thanks anyway
But if anyone knows the answer for a fact, please pitch in...
J_M_V_S said:
I'm no expert here but it is my understanding that the phone will take what it requires to charge no matter if you have a 1A or a 2A charger meaning that you will be wasting the power delivered by the charger. I don't think it will affect the battery nor will make it charge faster as I think the internal logic of the phone would not permit so. It could also be the case that HTC limited the power output on the charger but not on the phone meaning that in this case it will charge faster, and I think degrading battery life. Anyway, if you have someone with a higher amp charger you can test this yourself by measuring the time it takes to fully charge with the original charger and the other one. It will not really have an impact in battery life if you just try.
I guess I didn't respond to your question actually! Sorry
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You definitely aren't expert, neither am I, but there are couple things:
You were right about that, that device should pull only as much as it needs.
But he won't waste power (in ideal world). As the phone pulls only 1A from 1A or from 2A charger, he still be pulling 5Vx1A = 5W.
Now, to the original question.
Basically every device pulls as much as it can / needs. The Amps on charger says about how much can it deliver maximum.
The question is, how is constructed htc charging circuit. Whether it relays on maximum from charger, or it has internal limitor..
I will try to make an example to make it clearer:
Imagine, that you have a tube made of glass and a reservoir full of water. Tube is your phone and reservoir is charger.
Now, 2 situations can ocur:
1, Tube is made of very thin glass and it relays, that there won;'t be bigger pressure (more water) in reservoir. If there would be more, tube would crack.
2, Although tube is made of thin glass, it has some mechanism included, let's say pressure regulator on the beginning to reduce the pressure.
Now the question is, which of these cases is our phone about.
In short, the HTC One will pull only 1A out of your charger, regardless of whether it's 2A or 100A. The only way you can make it pull more than 1A is by installing a custom kernel like ElementalX or Bulletproof and ticking on 'Enable USB fast charge' which is disabled by default because it shortens the battery's life.
remusator said:
You definitely aren't expert, neither am I, but there are couple things:
You were right about that, that device should pull only as much as it needs.
But he won't waste power (in ideal world). As the phone pulls only 1A from 1A or from 2A charger, he still be pulling 5Vx1A = 5W.
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What I meant to say is that it would be wasting a 2A charger whilst the phone only seems to require 1A, not meaning that the charger will still be delivering at maximum capacity (2A).
Guess none of us could answer his question as we still don't know how the phone handles the charge.
Subjective answer from an anonymous noob, but I charge my phone with a 2.1A wall charger (built into a power board) and there's no perceptible change in charge rate. I've also used a cheap portible charger, a lithium 800mA, and that battery gets HOT like my m7 is pulling 1A just because it detects it's not limited to usbs 500mA (the power dialog reports AC charging mode).
So it seems to me to be a simple 2 mode as shown as a status in the power dialog, either usb or AC. But, I haven't actually measured or tested anything; this is all just casual observation and assumption.
Can I blow up my USB device?
There is a huge variance, then, between normal USB 2.0 ports rated at 500mA and dedicated charging ports which range all the way up to 2100mA. This leads to a rather important question: If you take a smartphone which came with a 1A wall charger, and plug it into a 2A iPad charger, will it blow up?
In short, no: You can plug any USB device into any USB cable and into any USB port, and nothing will blow up — and in fact, using a more powerful charger should speed up battery charging.
The longer answer is that the age of your device plays an important role, dictating both how fast it can be charged, and whether it can be charged using a wall charger at all. In 2007, the USB Implementers Forum released the Battery Charging Specification, which standardized faster ways of charging USB devices, either by pumping more amps through your PC’s USB ports, or by using a wall charger. Shortly thereafter, USB devices that implemented this spec started to arrive.
Fast forward to 2013 and the HTC One. It is equipped with a USB 2.0 port and when no data is transferred it will accept a charge up to 1A with a minimal standard of 500mA. When you buy a charger that says 2A output, this normally means a max of 2A for the charger. When it comes to charging the phone, the phone will only pull enough power it can from the charger and not more.
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Nazgulled said:
After looking up a bit on USB car chargers, many people seem to recommend the Scosche Dual USB Car Charger (reVOLT 12W + 12W). Each USB port outputs 2.4A of power to charge any device (there's a known issue with this charger for some non Apple devices, you should use charge-only USB for those), but our HTC One stock charger outputs only 1A.
I am afraid a fast car charger like this one will easily overheat my battery, charging it much faster than usual and degrading its lifespan. Should I worry about this or can I order this charger and not worry about it?
I'm confused because a lot of people recommend car chargers like this one (with more output power than what the stock charger of your device gives you) and no review mentions the issue I'm raising here. Is this a non-issue?
Would appreciate more information on this topic from more knowledgeable people in this area.
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Yes, fast usb car chargers may harm your device. Because if device get power more than its capacity then it would be definitely harm your costly devices. So please purchase a perfect and valuable charger for your devices long life.
Also quick note using a charger that charges your device faster will decrease the life of your battery, remember slow charging is best for the battery and that goes for all batteries
To answer conclusively as I have before:
I've had many many many phones and this is what I've learned over the years through experience and a lot of searching. Our phones are designed for whatever rating it is on the stock charger, which is 1A. However we have chargers that support more current. Which leads us into the next part.
Phones will only "pull" what is it rated for. It controls the final pressure valve in the water metaphor. In this example. Our phones are rated 1A Max @ stock kernel. "Extra power" isnt and cannot used up due to this rating. hence no extra loss except on your wallet. Fast charge raises the rating and limits vary from kernel to kernel. I've used my phone with a 2.4a charger + fast charge enabled before and its fine. Its a little warm (more on that in next paragraph) I'm on "dirty unicorns" ROM and I haven't gotten around to checking the limits
Regardless.. Whether it is detrimental to your phone battery is personal choice as having the % below 40 and heat is #1 enemy to batteries. Our batteries are designed for 5 years max anyway. If you want to play it safe, get a 1A charger and a max 6ft cable as more = less current. Make sure this cable is not from eBay or has sufficient guage size as the copper in some eBay cables can be thinner than your hair. This is important.
If you're looking for unpractical long term savings. Keep your phone room temperature within its temperature rating. Keep charge above 40%, optimally around 80% as lithium batteries degenerate when kept near 100% for too long. (See how frail our current battery designs are? There are higher battery tech our there, but due to cost none are in phones)
I've had horrible horrible power efficiency Roms before and as worst, it just stays on one % value without dropping (no fast charge, 1a charger)
Charging only cables are useless because since 4.3 kernels, android supports iPhone chargers as well.
In addition, car chargers have built in voltage regulators in them, our 12v car source can actually range from 8v to 30v depending on conditions. 8v on crank, and during cold days, 14.4 alternator running, 24v on car boosts. Most car 12v ports are unregulated and Most car chargers operate around 11-15v and give off excess power as heat. Given this, in truly exceptional cases, unless you deliberately overload the charger, we're still good as 5v from a GOOD charger are pretty stable for the phone. Monoprice sells good chargers with good electronic internals for a very good price. Bad chargers pass off this electrical noise to your phone.
TL-Dr.. no difference between 2.4a and 1a. Phone takes what it is rated for(1a). Extra isn't used. Fast charge kernels can increase this rating at a slight warming of phone. In all cases, heat / below 40% = more detrimental to battery life than current speeds. Get a good cable with good gauge size. (Copper width)
If you need further proof, google the terms I have presented or search XDA. There has been many "conclusive" posts on this matter and you'll find many of them say this same exact thing.
Phew.. What a long post.
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HTC m7 can take max 1.5A but it seem to not work with many chargers, in such case it falls back to 1A.
But if youre using the phone for GPS navigation, then charging faster will just make it more hot (hot from usage + even more hot from charging) and it will stop charging anyway (because of the heat).
Also, heat is biggest enemy of batteries, the hotter it gets while charging the worse it is for the battery.