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Should I get LG O2X?

Hello!
I'm gonna buy a new phone, but idk when. I think I'm gonna buy the LG O2X, though after reading all the problems with it, I'm not sure.
I have heard troubles like:
Shuts down and reboot randomly.
Shows wrong battery percent left.
WiFi stops to work when you turn it on after sleep.
I also heard about 2 people who had their LG out in the sun, when it was like 20-25 degrees and it started to reboot every 2 minute.
If the phone didn't have all these problems, I would definitely get it. But that's apparently not the case.
Damn, this is driving me crazy, I can't decide whether I should get it or not. Please help me.

All the things you've listed are software, the first CM7 nightly is currently building. That said I've not had mine's been mostly fine. No wifi issues, only had odd battery behavior when trying new kernels. Have had a couple of overnight reboots, but not for about 5 days.

Rusty! said:
All the things you've listed are software, the first CM7 nightly is currently building. That said I've not had mine's been mostly fine. No wifi issues, only had odd battery behavior when trying new kernels. Have had a couple of overnight reboots, but not for about 5 days.
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Thanks!
I know that the problems I listed is problems with the SW, and can be solved. But the problem about their phone did reboots every 2 minute when they had it outside in the sun. Is the problem I most worry about, since it doesn't sounds like problems with the SW.
I'm not gonna change ROM or something. Since I don't wanna loose my warranty.
And LG doesn't seems to solve problems that quickly, correct me if I'm wrong.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=997705, I read a few pages there, so many seems to have trouble with it. So I really don't know what I should do.

Every 2 minutes? Weird lol. My o2x was right next to me while I was lying in the sun all the time during the easter holidays. No such probs here, actually none of the probs you mentioned. If you get one with constant freezing you can always get an exchange, you know

bbyte said:
Every 2 minutes? Weird lol. My o2x was right next to me while I was lying in the sun all the time during the easter holidays. No such probs here, actually none of the probs you mentioned. If you get one with constant freezing you can always get an exchange, you know
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Sounds good. I guess you're right about exchanging. But I wanna save myself the trouble.

Any software changes you make can be reversed easily enough for warranty purposes.

Rusty! said:
Any software changes you make can be reversed easily enough for warranty purposes.
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Alright, that's good. But having to change ROM, to get a good working phone doesn't seems right.
How is the phone at browsing? I've heard that the text isn't best on O2X.

simonh94 said:
Alright, that's good. But having to change ROM, to get a good working phone doesn't seems right.
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you can go stock and all is fine.- do not read all those reviews..about rebootings, lags..
I had stock for couple of days and it was very smooth, all fine, no lags, no reboots, then MoDaCo and even this was great.

simonh94 said:
I also heard about 2 people who had their LG out in the sun, when it was like 20-25 degrees and it started to reboot every 2 minute.
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Sounds like your friends' phones could have errant processes running in the background and the extra heat from the sun could have pushed the phones into instability.
Ask them to install "Watchdog Task Manager Lite" to monitor the processes running on their phones. If they can track down which app processes are the culprits, they should try to delete or modify the app settings to quieten down their errant behaviours. This should help with the "every 2 mins in sun reboot" issue.

rori~ said:
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you can go stock and all is fine.- do not read all those reviews..about rebootings, lags..
I had stock for couple of days and it was very smooth, all fine, no lags, no reboots, then MoDaCo and even this was great.
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Sounds very good. Well, I've mostly read the problems on forums.
ppsun said:
Sounds like your friends' phones could have errant processes running in the background and the extra heat from the sun could have pushed the phones into instability.
Ask them to install "Watchdog Task Manager Lite" to monitor the processes running on their phones. If they can track down which app processes are the culprits, they should try to delete or modify the app settings to quieten down their errant behaviours. This should help with the "every 2 mins in sun reboot" issue.
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I read about this problem in a forum. But thanks for the "Watchdog Task Manager Lite" tip, I guess it could be handy when I get a android phone. If it will be LG O2X, we'll see.

If you are a non-hacker type person, and just want to use the phone straight out of the box, it might be prudent to avoid most, if not all, of the dual-core phones for now. I think the designers and programmers are still trying to iron out the kinks with the new dual-core phones. IMHO, a fast single-core Android phone might probably be a more fuss-free phone straight out of the box than dual-cores currently.

ppsun said:
If you are a non-hacker type person, and just want to use the phone straight out of the box, it might be prudent to avoid most, if not all, of the dual-core phones for now. I think the designers and programmers are still trying to iron out the kinks with the new dual-core phones. IMHO, a fast single-core Android phone might probably be a more fuss-free phone straight out of the box than dual-cores currently.
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Well, I don't change phone that often, so I wanna have future proof phone that isn't too expensive. And I believe this is that phone.
I'm pretty sure I can root it and change rom. But... I'm too afraid I might mess it up.

In forums like these you will mostly read about the issues that some are having, because people tend to seek out these forums when they disover isues - the wast majority may not have any issues and dont post in forums like these. So regardless of which device you get, you will allways find alot of forum posts dealing with whatever bugs some users are facing. The number of issues and error posts for the LG isnt really that big, nothing out of the ordinary, and nothing you wont see just as many or more for ANY other device out there - single core or dual core.
Basically dont get scared off by these but only use it as a guide to perhaps seek for specific bugs which you would not be able to live with untill they get fixed by the manufacturer.
I have 2 LG optimus - one for myself and one for my teenager son
Both bought on the same day 6 weeks ago.
Mine has run completely stable and "errorfree" since day one - not a single random shutdown or lockup bsod - no issues with wifi, 3g or anything - has worked with every single app I tried, no batterydrain (easily get 2 days worth) etc. etc.
They are running completely stock with the only change being a different laucher (GO launcher) to solve the micro stutter in swyping between homescreens which the standard LG launcher has (just a very minor software issue).
The only issues I have left are 2 known issues - which for certain will be solved by some new LG update. One is the lag that happens while installing a new app from market - the other is the memory management which isnt completely optimised causing free memory to sometimes run a litle lower than wanted.
If you arent unlucky and get hit by the random shutdowns and bsod that some users are facing - then you do get a very nice future proof phone that isnt too expensive, and does most things pretty good allready - and will only get better as updates arrives
Imho, rooting and new roms arent really needed, allthough a nice possibility for those that like to tinker and tuning their devices as much as possible - but even without doing so, you will get a nice phone.

I'm planning to get one too so I just started to visit O2X threads. Currently on Motorola Milestone, but I'm sick of it's low RAM. Every new game is force closing. I'll wait for it to get cheaper in my country .

spawndk said:
In forums like these you will mostly read about the issues that some are having, because people tend to seek out these forums when they disover isues - the wast majority may not have any issues and dont post in forums like these. So regardless of which device you get, you will allways find alot of forum posts dealing with whatever bugs some users are facing. The number of issues and error posts for the LG isnt really that big, nothing out of the ordinary, and nothing you wont see just as many or more for ANY other device out there - single core or dual core.
Basically dont get scared off by these but only use it as a guide to perhaps seek for specific bugs which you would not be able to live with untill they get fixed by the manufacturer.
I have 2 LG optimus - one for myself and one for my teenager son
Both bought on the same day 6 weeks ago.
Mine has run completely stable and "errorfree" since day one - not a single random shutdown or lockup bsod - no issues with wifi, 3g or anything - has worked with every single app I tried, no batterydrain (easily get 2 days worth) etc. etc.
They are running completely stock with the only change being a different laucher (GO launcher) to solve the micro stutter in swyping between homescreens which the standard LG launcher has (just a very minor software issue).
The only issues I have left are 2 known issues - which for certain will be solved by some new LG update. One is the lag that happens while installing a new app from market - the other is the memory management which isnt completely optimised causing free memory to sometimes run a litle lower than wanted.
If you arent unlucky and get hit by the random shutdowns and bsod that some users are facing - then you do get a very nice future proof phone that isnt too expensive, and does most things pretty good allready - and will only get better as updates arrives
Imho, rooting and new roms arent really needed, allthough a nice possibility for those that like to tinker and tuning their devices as much as possible - but even without doing so, you will get a nice phone.
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You're probably right. I've read alot of threads. It's so weird, some have many problems with the phone and some have not. I really don't wanna have problems with reboots and wifi.
I'm still not sure if I should get it or not. I don't really see any other future proof alternatives in the same price range. The SGS2 is too expensive.
This is definitely not easy, maybe I should wait and see if they fix all problems. But IDK which phone I should get instead.

simonh94 said:
You're probably right. I've read alot of threads. It's so weird, some have many problems with the phone and some have not. I really don't wanna have problems with reboots and wifi.
I'm still not sure if I should get it or not. I don't really see any other future proof alternatives in the same price range. The SGS2 is too expensive.
This is definitely not easy, maybe I should wait and see if they fix all problems. But IDK which phone I should get instead.
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I've seen some reviews of SGS2 and it seems laggier than O2X. First I noticed that in Shrek Kart video (I've seen SGS2, than compared to O2X), after that it seemed that SGS2's launcher is laggy too -.-' ... maybe I just watched fake/bad reviews ^^.

Well i had phone for around 2 weeks and have not had any of the reboot issues as for batt draining if u ture of back ground data then this reduces it massivly, the handset is on of the best around. As for LG not doing update to solve problems i think that is unfair they do seem to be listerning with in a few days of me gettting hand set went from 10b to 10d. So i would say that if you want future proof device then this is the one and if you want game then its a no brainer

n3n00 said:
I've seen some reviews of SGS2 and it seems laggier than O2X. First I noticed that in Shrek Kart video (I've seen SGS2, than compared to O2X), after that it seemed that SGS2's launcher is laggy too -.-' ... maybe I just watched fake/bad reviews ^^.
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Okay, I haven't watch any review of that phone. Since it's too expensive.
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Well i had phone for around 2 weeks and have not had any of the reboot issues as for batt draining if u ture of back ground data then this reduces it massivly, the handset is on of the best around. As for LG not doing update to solve problems i think that is unfair they do seem to be listerning with in a few days of me gettting hand set went from 10b to 10d. So i would say that if you want future proof device then this is the one and if you want game then its a no brainer
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Alright. I think I'll get the O2X then. Though, I'm not gonna get it before they fixed these problems.

I read in a review that the OS takes about 300 mb ram.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/07/lg-optimus-2x-review/
So I have about 200 mb free for my apps. That doesn't sound much, but maybe it's enough? Well, this is going to be my first smartphone, so I don't really know how much RAM app takes.

simonh94 said:
I read in a review that the OS takes about 300 mb ram.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/07/lg-optimus-2x-review/
So I have about 200 mb free for my apps. That doesn't sound much, but maybe it's enough? Well, this is going to be my first smartphone, so I don't really know how much RAM the app takes.
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don´t worry about that this phone has more you need..

Nexus 7 BAD screen flicker!

With such overwhelming response, I hope to make this OP a brief hub of useful information.
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Steps to reproduce for ALL tablets.
1. Weak WiFi signal.
2. Backlight dimmed to under 30%.
3. A program that constantly accesses the net. Such as Google Maps.
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Nascar Dog said:
If you have a very strong WiFi signal (All bars lit up) the Nexus 7 will not flicker.
That is why the flicker went away on my Nexus 7 last night. I was sitting in a strong signal location.
When I went upstairs I had a weaker signal and that is when the flicker was noticeable again.
So, that tells me the WiFi chip in the Nexus 7 is a cheap piece of crapolla.
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ToyTinker said:
I think we have a few things going on..
- There is flicker from truly faulty displays (lines of pixels/panels going out, fluttering, etc.)
- There is flicker from Prism or some type of dynamic contrast.
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porkovich said:
Hi all, i can confirm that it's somehow software related. What i mean is not that the hardware is OK, but that software can fix it.
I thought it's somewhat related to the Nvidia Prism Technology inside the tablet, trying to setup the screen and optimizing something. It is related to this in my case. I rooted and used an app on the play store to stop that feature. Now i can tell you that both 4.1.2 and 4.2 are flicker free. Somehow on 4.2 this process is much more aggressive and i think that Prism is on all the time, not only when you are watching videos, even on the homescreen.
PS: ...the Prism Feature optimizes the screen, and it really saves battery...but you have some screen problems.
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Fix mentioned above:
[GUIDE][FIX] Nvidia PRISM/smartdimmer
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However, many people have also reported disabling Wi-Fi optimization removes the flicker. To do so, open the Settings screen, tap Wi-Fi, tap the menu button, tap Advanced, and uncheck Wi-Fi optimization. Of course, this will also impact battery life.
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[fix] An easy way to solve the screen flicker with just a scotch tape
Pictures are dead but the claim is that scotch tape on the WiFi antenna solves the flicker (some disassembly required). This claim is refuted, but seems to work for many.
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So I was very lucky to be able to go to Google I/O this year (don't hold it against me).
My Nexus 7 flickers horrifically when the brightness is at minimum and Chrome is loading a new page. I'm hoping someone (or a few of you) can reproduce this to make sure I don't have a lemon. If its something correctable by an ota update I'll keep my unit, but if not I only have tomorrow to exchange.
Anyone else experiencing this?
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soccerwuedo5 said:
So I was very lucky to be able to go to Google i/o this year (don't hold it against me).
My Nexus 7 flickers horrifically when the brightness is at minimum and Chrome is loading a new page. I'm hoping someone (or a few of you) can reproduce this to make sure I don't have a lemon. If its something correctable by an ota update I'll keep my unit, but if not I only have tomorrow to exchange.
Anyone else experiencing this?
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Can you take a video? I haven't heard anything like that. If anything it sounds like a hardware problem.
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My wife and son are asleep in the room so I can't do a video. I found another thread about the One X getting an immediate update to cure screen flicker. I'll probably talk to the Googlers about it tomorrow, but I wanted to post a thread to be available for future queries.

It seems to be a common issue with Tegra 3 devices. HTC fixed it pretty promptly so I expect Google/Asus will get it fixed even soon if it does turn out to be a common problem.

This is an issue with Transformer Prime as well, maybe Nvidia still hasn't fixed their drivers. It has come and gone with different firmware updates, most recently it's back again... Seach for "transformer prime screen tearing" for videos of it. Does it look similar to what you saw?

So the connection is the Tegra 3, then. Good to know.
My issue is not like the screen tear. Mine is the entire display flickers like it was backlit by a candle. I'm using Thomas Edison's tablet from the 19th century.
Also, it ONLY happens on page load in Chrome and with brightness below about 10% on the slider. I'll talk to Google today and relay what comes from that.

Why don't you just exchange it?

Sounds like a possibly defective backlighting module... I'd exchange it.
Don

It sounds very similar to the HTC One X issues which were fixed by a software update. It's hard to say without seeing the screen flicker though as there seem to be various screen issues that people refer to as "flicker".

While you are at it, test if USB storage works on your N7

The HTC One X had the same problem.if not worse. Flickered on any brightness level on a grey background.but HTC fixed it so it is a very good chance it is software issue with yours. Give it a few months first?
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Is that really a Software issue? Because i am Order the nexus 7 from germany and think that There is the Support to Google Not good Because of no official release there
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soccerwuedo5 said:
So I was very lucky to be able to go to Google i/o this year (don't hold it against me).
My Nexus 7 flickers horrifically when the brightness is at minimum and Chrome is loading a new page. I'm hoping someone (or a few of you) can reproduce this to make sure I don't have a lemon. If its something correctable by an ota update I'll keep my unit, but if not I only have tomorrow to exchange.
Anyone else experiencing this?
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Mine doesn't flicker

Issues already!! Whhooaa! Lol. Hope they roll out a fix! ;-)
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soccerwuedo5 said:
So the connection is the Tegra 3, then. Good to know.
My issue is not like the screen tear. Mine is the entire display flickers like it was backlit by a candle. I'm using Thomas Edison's tablet from the 19th century.
Also, it ONLY happens on page load in Chrome and with brightness below about 10% on the slider. I'll talk to Google today and relay what comes from that.
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Sounds like some kind of power draw issue. Maybe a ticket with Google is in order.

RMXO said:
Mine doesn't flicker
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So this raises the question: Is it a flaw with his specific N7? Or is it s flaw with all of them? I guess we'll have to wait and see.

so only 1 person out of 6k reported this issue?
lol

I got 2 in a row with the identical issue. They mentioned 2 or 3 other people came for the same issue. But, I'm happy to report that this 3rd one has no issue! Good to go, and loving it.

I think its problem with ICS/Jelly Bean for tablets
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Does your Nexus 7 from google io take an extremely long time for screen rotation? I picked one up at the conference and did not open until today after the event ended. My unit sometimes takes as long as 30 seconds to rotate from landscape to portrait or vice versa.
FYI I have not tweaked or modified this tablet in any way. Just performed the software update after I was prompted to do so after setting it up for the first time.

About to go for a nexus 6 but some issues are keeping me from doing it

I've had pretty much every nexus device, but last year I decided to get myself an Iphone 6, but I really missed android, so I'm about to get the nexus 6 but some issues are keeping me from doing it, I've read quite a few reviews and I'm concerned about the following issues:
1. Why is the camera so slow to take pictures? You think it could improve in the future? That's probably the thing I like the most about the iphone 6, how good the pictures come and how the camera is blazing fast
2. Is it true that the device is slower than the nexus 5? Have updates improved this situation? My nexus 5 already stuttered with Lollipop, Ive read quite a few reports about the phone slowing down and lagging for no apparent reason (except for maybe the quadHD killing the cpu/gpu)
3. How true are the reports of screen burn in?
4. How do non google apps and icons look? I imagine pretty bad since facebook or instagram's icons haven't even been updated to take advantage of a 1080p screen
5. Is it true that the device has slow storage a step down from the nexus reading and writing speeds?
Thanks for your help

Chad_Petree said:
I've had pretty much every nexus device, but last year I decided to get myself an Iphone 6, but I really missed android, so I'm about to get the nexus 6 but some issues are keeping me from doing it, I've read quite a few reviews and I'm concerned about the following issues:
1. Why is the camera so slow to take pictures? You think it could improve in the future? That's probably the thing I like the most about the iphone 6, how good the pictures come and how the camera is blazing fast
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The actual act of taking a picture is fast, its just focusing that is slow. If you focus manually or fixed, it will take pictures amazingly fast.
2. Is it true that the device is slower than the nexus 5? Have updates improved this situation? My nexus 5 already stuttered with Lollipop, Ive read quite a few reports about the phone slowing down and lagging for no apparent reason (except for maybe the quadHD killing the cpu/gpu)
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Not at all true.
3. How true are the reports of screen burn in?
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Completely imaginary.
4. How do non google apps and icons look? I imagine pretty bad since facebook or instagram's icons haven't even been updated to take advantage of a 1080p screen
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Where are you coming up with these questions? The only icon I've seen that actually looks bad, is the one for my bank... and it looks bad on ANY screen. Screen resolution is not so tightly tied to "icons" -- bigger screen = more icons. Also, Nexus 5 was already a 1080p display. I also hardly consider this question to be meaningful. Who really cares what icons look like? The objective is to maximize USEFULNESS.
5. Is it true that the device has slow storage a step down from the nexus reading and writing speeds?
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No. Flash storage is blazingly fast on this device, HOWEVER, the "default configuration" enables data partition encryption by force, which reduces the EFFECTIVE flash performance to nexus 5 level (which is still very good). Simple adjustment to a text file on the boot partition allows this to be disabled. It is also probable/possible that Google will be enabling hardware crypto on the next update.

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The actual act of taking a picture is fast, its just focusing that is slow. If you focus manually or fixed, it will take pictures amazingly fast.
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I see, we will see if it changes with the 5.1" update, I remember the first big update for the nexus 5 did wonders for the camera
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Completely imaginary.
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http://nexus5.wonderhowto.com/how-to/fix-screen-burns-your-nexus-6-other-amoled-device-0159397/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/burn-t2955765
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Where are you coming up with these questions? The only icon I've seen that actually looks bad, is the one for my bank... and it looks bad on ANY screen. Screen resolution is not so tightly tied to "icons" -- bigger screen = more icons. Also, Nexus 5 was already a 1080p display. I also hardly consider this question to be meaningful. Who really cares what icons look like? The objective is to maximize USEFULNESS.
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I'm sorry, I know it sounds ridiculous but I'm studying to become a designer and that kind of things really bother me , as far as I know if you don't update the resolution for the icons and increase the resolution of the display you end up with fuzzy icons
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No. Flash storage is blazingly fast on this device, HOWEVER, the "default configuration" enables data partition encryption by force, which reduces the EFFECTIVE flash performance to nexus 5 level (which is still very good). Simple adjustment to a text file on the boot partition allows this to be disabled. It is also probable/possible that Google will be enabling hardware crypto on the next update.
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I'm in agreement with @doitright. I can say nothing but good about this device. I do not have any of those issues nor know of any that do. As with any device though there are always some bad ones that an unlucky few receive. It does not make all of them bad just those. My phone is a beast. It outperforms the N5 by miles. Screen looks amazing. Icons to me look great I haven't come across a bad looking icon except that of my bank.... I guess banks hire poor developers idk. Storage is incredibly fast. Camera is fantastic. Fastest signal acquisition I've seen on any phone including GPS.
Eh. Entirely up to you what you want to do. I don't trust any reviews. I rather go with my own opinions/feelings on anything. You should too.

Chad_Petree said:
I'm sorry, I know it sounds ridiculous but I'm studying to become a designer and that kind of things really bother me , as far as I know if you don't update the resolution for the icons and increase the resolution of the display you end up with fuzzy icons
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App icons are controlled by the dev. I've never seen a fuzzy one.

doitright said:
No. Flash storage is blazingly fast on this device, HOWEVER, the "default configuration" enables data partition encryption by force, which reduces the EFFECTIVE flash performance to nexus 5 level (which is still very good). Simple adjustment to a text file on the boot partition allows this to be disabled. It is also probable/possible that Google will be enabling hardware crypto on the next update.
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I'm awaiting this Thursday to grab one on VZ, coming from a Galaxy Nexus, anything I could get now would be a major update hardware wise, however the only exception I take is the last part of this, not trying so start anything, your other parts are spot on.
The current speculation is that 5.1 may go backwards on forcing software encryption, but nothing is confirmed there, see last paragraph:
http://www.slashgear.com/android-5-1-in-march-heres-what-may-be-coming-18369666/
If the Nexus 6 had the HW encryption on it, and I cant confirm it does, we're left with these options:
1 - they do enable it, which begs why it wasn't in the first place. Current rumor is that the qualcomm drivers for that engine are not open source, therefore it is a no no on android:
http://androidheadlines.com/2014/11...ency-likely-due-missing-qualcomm-drivers.html
2 - they tweak the software encryption, which if you check the threads, opinions really vary here. if you need to irk the absolute most out if it for read write, then undo it. But plenty of others have chimed in saying it wasn't that big an increase, i believe it to be what you may be using on the device that makes the difference, more intensive apps may cause the SW process to bog down, but in all, it is still fast.
3 - they disable it by default, which I wonder how that would be accomplished in an OTA, it would need to wipe the device I'm sure, but ...
4 - Lastly, if in fact they cant use the engine, or it wasn't included (doubtful, it has qualcomm in it) then you cant enable it by an OTA, end of that story.
Personally, if I grab the N6 this week, I plan on unlocking/rooting/removing VZ oem partition, but for the moment leaving encryption on, because 5.1 may drop in March, and then see how things are at that juncture.
It would be great if they could enable HW encryption, because we get that security and maintain read write offloaded from the CPU.
Lastly, I plan on trying to enjoy the thing, playing with it for at least an hour in store before taking it (you never know) because as most of us here are OC hehe, reading all the threads of issues before buying it is kinda a downer. I know I'm going to love it, having waited three years to update myself.

RW-1 said:
The current speculation is that 5.1 may go backwards on forcing software encryption, but nothing is confirmed there, see last paragraph:
http://www.slashgear.com/android-5-1-in-march-heres-what-may-be-coming-18369666/
If the Nexus 6 had the HW encryption on it, and I cant confirm it does, we're left with these options:
1 - they do enable it, which begs why it wasn't in the first place. Current rumor is that the qualcomm drivers for that engine are not open source, therefore it is a no no on android:
http://androidheadlines.com/2014/11...ency-likely-due-missing-qualcomm-drivers.html.
3 - they disable it by default, which I wonder how that would be accomplished in an OTA, it would need to wipe the device I'm sure, but ...
4 - Lastly, if in fact they cant use the engine, or it wasn't included (doubtful, it has qualcomm in it) then you cant enable it by an OTA, end of that story.
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That's what I was thinking about, would it be possible for them to get rid of the encryption with an OTA , I would think that one needs to factory reset your device

Chad_Petree said:
I see, we will see if it changes with the 5.1" update, I remember the first big update for the nexus 5 did wonders for the camera
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Focus is a PHYSICAL MOVEMENT of the lens. No update will change the amount of time it takes to move the lens.
http://nexus5.wonderhowto.com/how-to/fix-screen-burns-your-nexus-6-other-amoled-device-0159397/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/burn-t2955765
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I congratulate you on finding a thread about an imaginary problem, and a "fix" for an imaginary problem.
There is a certain subset of people who will do anything, IMAGINE anything, to find a problem. Don't ask me why they are like that. Sucks to be them.
I'm sorry, I know it sounds ridiculous but I'm studying to become a designer and that kind of things really bother me , as far as I know if you don't update the resolution for the icons and increase the resolution of the display you end up with fuzzy icons
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You can't do anything to increase the fuzzyness of an image, unless you actually stretch it larger. I.e., if it takes the same physical space on the screen, then increasing the DPI on the screen won't cause it to become more fuzzy -- it just won't increase in SHARPNESS with the display. Google has specifications regarding the dimensions of the icons, and these specifications have always included a "much larger" image than what will actually display on the screen. The icons actually get scaled down to fit. So really, don't worry about it. If you find an application with a ugly/fuzzy icon, complain to the application vendor, because they're the ones who made an ugly icon, not the platform.
I just can't stress enough, that this is a silly point to use to avoid a device.
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RW-1 said:
I'm awaiting this Thursday to grab one on VZ, coming from a Galaxy Nexus, anything I could get now would be a major update hardware wise, however the only exception I take is the last part of this, not trying so start anything, your other parts are spot on.
The current speculation is that 5.1 may go backwards on forcing software encryption, but nothing is confirmed there, see last paragraph:
http://www.slashgear.com/android-5-1-in-march-heres-what-may-be-coming-18369666/
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I *absolutely promise you* that they WILL NOT eliminate the encryption requirement. Those "android one" devices are... really really cheap. It is likely that they don't force encryption simply because they are not up to the task.
If the Nexus 6 had the HW encryption on it, and I cant confirm it does, we're left with these options:
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I CAN confirm that it does. There is no question at all. It is part of all snapdragon SoC's since about S4.
1 - they do enable it, which begs why it wasn't in the first place. Current rumor is that the qualcomm drivers for that engine are not open source, therefore it is a no no on android:
http://androidheadlines.com/2014/11...ency-likely-due-missing-qualcomm-drivers.html
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There are two sides to the use of encryption hardware with qualcomm SoC's; the first is the "blobs", and the second is the integration with Android and the Linux kernel. Specifically, qualcomm's hardware crypto requires changes both to the kernel (which is under GPL), as well as VOLD (which is under APL).
Obviously, to include the kernel part, that kernel part MUST be provided as source. There is absolutely no option here.
VOLD is the part of Android responsible for mounting and managing disks. It is under the Apache license, which means that technically speaking, it can be distributed without including source, HOWEVER, this is a Nexus from Google, which means that they really can't ship a blob in place of VOLD. It has to be possible to build VOLD from AOSP.
So here is what was going on; at the time that Nexus 6 first shipped, Qualcomm HAD NOT made the source for Kernel or Vold available on CAF. That made it *impossible* for Google to include, since they would have to provide kernel code on request, and require that AOSP VOLD actually build and work.
QUALCOMM HAS SINCE MADE THE SOURCE AVAILABLE!!!!
And, in fact, there are a number of devices for which CM actually builds and includes hwcrypto *right now*.
2 - they tweak the software encryption, which if you check the threads, opinions really vary here. if you need to irk the absolute most out if it for read write, then undo it. But plenty of others have chimed in saying it wasn't that big an increase, i believe it to be what you may be using on the device that makes the difference, more intensive apps may cause the SW process to bog down, but in all, it is still fast.
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This isn't even a half solution, because even though it may seem to improve storage performance to an acceptable level, it has to nail the CPU while doing so.
3 - they disable it by default, which I wonder how that would be accomplished in an OTA, it would need to wipe the device I'm sure, but ...
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Technically possible, but I *promise* you, it won't happen.
4 - Lastly, if in fact they cant use the engine, or it wasn't included (doubtful, it has qualcomm in it) then you cant enable it by an OTA, end of that story.
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Most definitely CAN be used. No question about it.
Personally, if I grab the N6 this week, I plan on unlocking/rooting/removing VZ oem partition, but for the moment leaving encryption on, because 5.1 may drop in March, and then see how things are at that juncture.
It would be great if they could enable HW encryption, because we get that security and maintain read write offloaded from the CPU.
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You could disable crypto now, and let it encrypt when the update rolls around. Disabling forced-crypto does not prevent you from using crypto now or later.
Lastly, I plan on trying to enjoy the thing, playing with it for at least an hour in store before taking it (you never know) because as most of us here are OC hehe, reading all the threads of issues before buying it is kinda a downer. I know I'm going to love it, having waited three years to update myself.
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Keep in mind that the test unit in the store gets abused.

DIR,
Looked forward to your responses on my last post, and was not dissapointed, nice info there, especially "QUALCOMM HAS SINCE MADE THE SOURCE AVAILABLE!!!!"
so has anyone done a comparison between the hwcrypto'd CM versions and unencrypted yet?
Yeah, I know the store ones get abused, in the end it would be a N6 or a GS6 for me, and I just cannot go to touchwiz, no matter how toned down, I want pure android, and unlocking ability, etc. Kinda makes the choice or me hehehe.
Dammit VZ, if you just announce online ordering tomorrow ... grrr .....

doitright said:
Focus is a PHYSICAL MOVEMENT of the lens. No update will change the amount of time it takes to move the lens.
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Oh oh well, nothing is perfect
doitright said:
You could disable crypto now, and let it encrypt when the update rolls around. Disabling forced-crypto does not prevent you from using crypto now or later.
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What would be the point of deactivating to reactivate later?

Chad_Petree said:
Oh oh well, nothing is perfect
What would be the point of deactivating to reactivate later?
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I would guess deactivate to gain read/write speed increase now, if the update enables HW encryption then you would let it.
Oh, and that is the point - nothing is perfect, not the N6, nor the units that will come after it hehehe....

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DIR,
Looked forward to your responses on my last post, and was not dissapointed, nice info there, especially "QUALCOMM HAS SINCE MADE THE SOURCE AVAILABLE!!!!"
so has anyone done a comparison between the hwcrypto'd CM versions and unencrypted yet?
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I said on *some* devices. I did not say that they were enabling it on Nexus 6.
Yeah, I know the store ones get abused, in the end it would be a N6 or a GS6 for me, and I just cannot go to touchwiz, no matter how toned down, I want pure android, and unlocking ability, etc. Kinda makes the choice or me hehehe.
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Yep, I'm totally with you on that. My last phone was a samsuck.... NEVER again. I spent WAY too many hundreds of hours on kernel and device tree maintenance to get and keep that thing working adequately on CM... then Omnirom (omni is waaaaaay nicer than CM). After a year of ownership of that thing, got the wife a Hammerhead (nexus 5), and its been just so easy to maintain. Literally all I ever did with her phone was add root, busybox, and xposed (to kill a couple of the google services wakelocks). This time around, I wanted the thing to just freaking work already!!!! Only downside is that its a bit *larger* than I would have liked.
Dammit VZ, if you just announce online ordering tomorrow ... grrr .....
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I don't think that you should buy from verizon, even if/when they sell it directly. It will likely be crippled and branded, at least to some extent. Buy it from tmobile or google play store, and all you need to do is throw your verizon sim card into it. I think I heard that sprint also does not molest it. Oh, it could also be purchased directly from motorola.
Just whatever you do, do NOT buy it from ATT. They DO molest and cripple it.
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What would be the point of deactivating to reactivate later?
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To gain RW performance NOW... DUH.

I'll be getting it from VZ, because I just don't have the spare $$$ to buy direct and place it on VZ.
ATT taught us that VZ will have to toss its bloat on the oem partition just like anyone else, so ... as far as branding, I think that may rub off like ATT's, but if not I plan on putting in a case anyway.
Now we have to wait another two weeks if the newest rumor is true ...

Need help understanding Nokia 7 plus

Hi friends,
I just bought Nokia 7 plus yesterday and it's completely unknown to me, as of now. My last device was Xiaomi Mi A1 and I used it like hell. Used the device for custom ROM development. So, I knew everything about that device. But I need you help to understand the device a bit more. Can you guys let me know some cool stuffs that are hidden (if any) or some tricks to make the device more attracted. And I have a few questions. If someone could take a few moments and answer them, I would appreciate.
1. Is it worth switching to Andoid P beta or is Oreo more stable?
2. Is it necessary to get a screen protector or tempered glass or can the Gorilla glass resist scratch from dust particles or sand?
3. Does the ambient display consume more battery on Nokia 7 plus? On Mi A1, it used to drain a huge amount of battery.
4. I find the headpgone jack is a lit bit tight. It takes some force to plug and unplug a headphone. Can the force damage the headphone port?
5. Since unlocking bootloader is bot possible (without paying), I can't root and cant get Viper4android or Dolby Atmos. Is there anyway I can improve the music listening experience. I mainly use Spotify and Wynk music to listen to music.
6. Is there any way I can use Gcam on Nokia 7 plus. I saw people vould use Gcam on Nokia. But it doesn't work for me and keeps crashing (Im on latest July update).
7. Should I kill background apps manually to free up RAM (I used to use Greenify on Mi A1)? Or does Nokia 7 plus handle RAM management automatically and how good it is?
Thank you in advance for taking your time to read the post.

Rowdyy Ronnie said:
Hi friends,
I just bought Nokia 7 plus yesterday and it's completely unknown to me, as of now. My last device was Xiaomi Mi A1 and I used it like hell. Used the device for custom ROM development. So, I knew everything about that device. But I need you help to understand the device a bit more. Can you guys let me know some cool stuffs that are hidden (if any) or some tricks to make the device more attracted. And I have a few questions. If someone could take a few moments and answer them, I would appreciate.
1. Is it worth switching to Andoid P beta or is Oreo more stable?
2. Is it necessary to get a screen protector or tempered glass or can the Gorilla glass resist scratch from dust particles or sand?
3. Does the ambient display consume more battery on Nokia 7 plus? On Mi A1, it used to drain a huge amount of battery.
4. I find the headpgone jack is a lit bit tight. It takes some force to plug and unplug a headphone. Can the force damage the headphone port?
5. Since unlocking bootloader is bot possible (without paying), I can't root and cant get Viper4android or Dolby Atmos. Is there anyway I can improve the music listening experience. I mainly use Spotify and Wynk music to listen to music.
6. Is there any way I can use Gcam on Nokia 7 plus. I saw people vould use Gcam on Nokia. But it doesn't work for me and keeps crashing (Im on latest July update).
7. Should I kill background apps manually to free up RAM (I used to use Greenify on Mi A1)? Or does Nokia 7 plus handle RAM management automatically and how good it is?
Thank you in advance for taking your time to read the post.
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Greetings! Welcome among us! I also switched from Mi A1 and I didn't regret it at all (instead of the lack of bootloader unlocking). I'll try to answer to all of your questions with my best knowledge.
1. I have been using Android P developer preview for 2 months now and I have to say, it's very stable. Yesterday I got a new patch (V3.150), and I couldn't even tell that it's not a stable version. Perfect for daily driver. (Not all Android P features implemented yet though).
2. I'm not fond of screen protectors, but since my Redmi Note 4X fell down to face and shattered I've been always using 2.5/3D screen protectors from ebay. These types of screen protectors are the least disturbing since they aren't visible at all. (for example: LINK).
3. In Android P there is an option for always-on ambient display. That feature eats a LOT of battery. Other than that, you won't realize any battery draining.
4. It really shouldn't. Nowadays ports are supported from the inside of the phone with a strong slab-like stuff (don't know the name, sorry ). Tight is better than loose. My friend has a galaxy S6 and its jack is so loose sometimes the earplug falls out. Also, it will loosen a little bit after a while.
5. YES! Definitely. I use Equalizer FX Pro (it's worth its price!), which is reeeally great. Works with all music players (including spotify, of course). If you don't want to spend money on it immeiately, you can try the free version. Note: You'll have to disable stock Equalizer.
6. Yes, this site has all the GCam ports and many of them works. (LINK). Right now I'm using GoogleCamera-Pixel3Mod-Arnova8G2-V3_Aux-4.02.apk, which works on Android P as well, but actually if you update to P, you might see some improvements on the stock camera too.
7. RAM is meant to be filled, so it doesn't matter if your free RAM is 2.00GB or 3.00GB. Unless you run out of RAM, there is nothing to worry about. Suggestion: stay away from Instagram if it's possible. I've got plenty of apps on my phone, but Instagram eats by far the most RAM and battery. Even though I open the app once a day. Sometimes it drains 10% of my battery by only running in the background.
I hope I answered all your questions.

coda00 said:
Greetings! Welcome among us! I also switched from Mi A1 and I didn't regret it at all (instead of the lack of bootloader unlocking). I'll try to answer to all of your questions with my best knowledge.
1. I have been using Android P developer preview for 2 months now and I have to say, it's very stable. Yesterday I got a new patch (V3.150), and I couldn't even tell that it's not a stable version. Perfect for daily driver. (Not all Android P features implemented yet though).
2. I'm not fond of screen protectors, but since my Redmi Note 4X fell down to face and shattered I've been always using 2.5/3D screen protectors from ebay. These types of screen protectors are the least disturbing since they aren't visible at all. (for example: LINK).
3. In Android P there is an option for always-on ambient display. That feature eats a LOT of battery. Other than that, you won't realize any battery draining.
4. It really shouldn't. Nowadays ports are supported from the inside of the phone with a strong slab-like stuff (don't know the name, sorry ). Tight is better than loose. My friend has a galaxy S6 and its jack is so loose sometimes the earplug falls out. Also, it will loosen a little bit after a while.
5. YES! Definitely. I use Equalizer FX Pro (it's worth its price!), which is reeeally great. Works with all music players (including spotify, of course). If you don't want to spend money on it immeiately, you can try the free version. Note: You'll have to disable stock Equalizer.
6. Yes, this site has all the GCam ports and many of them works. (LINK). Right now I'm using GoogleCamera-Pixel3Mod-Arnova8G2-V3_Aux-4.02.apk, which works on Android P as well, but actually if you update to P, you might see some improvements on the stock camera too.
7. RAM is meant to be filled, so it doesn't matter if your free RAM is 2.00GB or 3.00GB. Unless you run out of RAM, there is nothing to worry about. Suggestion: stay away from Instagram if it's possible. I've got plenty of apps on my phone, but Instagram eats by far the most RAM and battery. Even though I open the app once a day. Sometimes it drains 10% of my battery by only running in the background.
I hope I answered all your questions.
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Thanks buddy. You have answered all my questions quite well. Just one question. Should I enroll for Android P beta program and wait for the OTA update? Or it is better to sideload anf flash the beta rom through ADB? Im not in a hurry anyway.

Rowdyy Ronnie said:
Thanks buddy. You have answered all my questions quite well. Just one question. Should I enroll for Android P beta program and wait for the OTA update? Or it is better to sideload anf flash the beta rom through ADB? Im not in a hurry anyway.
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I opted my girlfriends phone in the OTA developer programme and she got the update 10 mins after, so if the OTA programme is not full, you should also get the update in such a short time. If you won't get it in about an hour, just download the sideload.

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I opted my girlfriends phone in the OTA developer programme and she got the update 10 mins after, so if the OTA programme is not full, you should also get the update in such a short time. If you won't get it in about an hour, just download the sideload.
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And my warranty won't get void if I sideload, right??

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And my warranty won't get void if I sideload, right??
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Defenitely not. It is also discussed on Nokia forum. But anyway, if you sideload back the oreo package, nobody can tell what you did

coda00 said:
Defenitely not. It is also discussed on Nokia forum. But anyway, if you sideload back the oreo package, nobody can tell what you did
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Cool.

can you explain procedure for coming back to 8.1 ? and when do that does ota updates work to get latest official update (july)?
thanks

coda00 said:
Greetings! Welcome among us! I also switched from Mi A1 and I didn't regret it at all (instead of the lack of bootloader unlocking). I'll try to answer to all of your questions with my best knowledge.
1. I have been using Android P developer preview for 2 months now and I have to say, it's very stable. Yesterday I got a new patch (V3.150), and I couldn't even tell that it's not a stable version. Perfect for daily driver. (Not all Android P features implemented yet though).
2. I'm not fond of screen protectors, but since my Redmi Note 4X fell down to face and shattered I've been always using 2.5/3D screen protectors from ebay. These types of screen protectors are the least disturbing since they aren't visible at all. (for example: LINK).
3. In Android P there is an option for always-on ambient display. That feature eats a LOT of battery. Other than that, you won't realize any battery draining.
4. It really shouldn't. Nowadays ports are supported from the inside of the phone with a strong slab-like stuff (don't know the name, sorry ). Tight is better than loose. My friend has a galaxy S6 and its jack is so loose sometimes the earplug falls out. Also, it will loosen a little bit after a while.
5. YES! Definitely. I use Equalizer FX Pro (it's worth its price!), which is reeeally great. Works with all music players (including spotify, of course). If you don't want to spend money on it immeiately, you can try the free version. Note: You'll have to disable stock Equalizer.
6. Yes, this site has all the GCam ports and many of them works. (LINK). Right now I'm using GoogleCamera-Pixel3Mod-Arnova8G2-V3_Aux-4.02.apk, which works on Android P as well, but actually if you update to P, you might see some improvements on the stock camera too.
7. RAM is meant to be filled, so it doesn't matter if your free RAM is 2.00GB or 3.00GB. Unless you run out of RAM, there is nothing to worry about. Suggestion: stay away from Instagram if it's possible. I've got plenty of apps on my phone, but Instagram eats by far the most RAM and battery. Even though I open the app once a day. Sometimes it drains 10% of my battery by only running in the background.
I hope I answered all your questions.
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Hi,
i ordered the screen protector you mentioned at Point 2. I hope it fits better than my current one. Also with black edges but has this ugly marks and a slight rainbow effect.

digitall1982 said:
can you explain procedure for coming back to 8.1 ? and when do that does ota updates work to get latest official update (july)?
thanks
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Hi! Of course. You'll have to download the following zip: https://android.googleapis.com/pack.../29a06b8105e817828fb3403265a92489a7b681a0.zip
Download the required platform-tools, because you'll have to use adb. You'll also have to enter recovery mode (turn off the device, then turn on while holding down volume up button). Wipe the phone. Connect the device to your pc, enter sideload mode, open the command line, navigate to the zip file and then type in: "adb sideload <zip file name>". That should do it. If something is unclear, search for "nokia 7 plus oreo roll back" on google, and watch a video on youtube about it.
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magiQx said:
Hi,
i ordered the screen protector you mentioned at Point 2. I hope it fits better than my current one. Also with black edges but has this ugly marks and a slight rainbow effect.
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The reason for the "rainbow effect" is usually because the alcohol from the cleaning cloth is stuck under the glass panel. You have to clean the screen very thoroughly with the dry cloth after the wet one.

magiQx said:
Hi,
i ordered the screen protector you mentioned at Point 2. I hope it fits better than my current one. Also with black edges but has this ugly marks and a slight rainbow effect.
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The reason for the "rainbow effect" is usually because the alcohol from the cleaning cloth is stuck under the glass panel. You have to clean the screen very thoroughly with the dry cloth after the wet one.

coda00 said:
The reason for the "rainbow effect" is usually because the alcohol from the cleaning cloth is stuck under the glass panel. You have to clean the screen very thoroughly with the dry cloth after the wet one.
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Thanks for the tip. But there was no alcohol left on the screen. I wiped it dry and rubbed it good with separate clothes after i degreased it with alcohol. This happened with 2 different screen protectors from 2 different companies. Both were this type with black margins. Befor that i had one fully transparent screen protector but the airbubbles on the side of the screen because of the gap bothered me. With that i had no issues like that "rainbow effect"

coda00 said:
Hi! Of course. You'll have to download the following zip: https://android.googleapis.com/pack.../29a06b8105e817828fb3403265a92489a7b681a0.zip
Download the required platform-tools, because you'll have to use adb. You'll also have to enter recovery mode (turn off the device, then turn on while holding down volume up button). Wipe the phone. Connect the device to your pc, enter sideload mode, open the command line, navigate to the zip file and then type in: "adb sideload <zip file name>". That should do it. If something is unclear, search for "nokia 7 plus oreo roll back" on google, and watch a video on youtube about it.
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thanks, but i found out much easier way, just requst ota downgrade like for update, no pc needed
but for now i'll stick to latest beta because is faster and more fluid, and no problems

Got an update today for the T800

After so many years:l, so strange:
It's T800XXU1CVG1/T800OXA1CVG1
what's new
Gps stability had been improved
That's it.
I'm going in, wish me luck

I got that too - a little suspicious. How was it? Did you do a security scan after?

Got it late at night I thought I was dreaming haha.
Installed it, haven't noticed anything different so far, though of course it's not my main tablet anymore so I don't use it as much as I used to.

episode96 said:
Got it late at night I thought I was dreaming haha.
Installed it, haven't noticed anything different so far, though of course it's not my main tablet anymore so I don't use it as much as I used to.
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This update scares me and more with Samsung... Could you tell me how it works since you updated it? Especially the battery that could well be that Samsung has sent it to kill it hahaha

Princeland said:
This update scares me and more with Samsung... Could you tell me how it works since you updated it? Especially the battery that could well be that Samsung has sent it to kill it hahaha
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No change whatsoever. Battery life is terrible but just like before. It's the original battery so you get the idea.

Thanks for the comments. I got this update a few weeks ago as well and kept postponing it. I mean, it's great that Samsung pushes updates after all this time, but the changelog is utterly useless: it's the same generic description that came with a similarly unexpected update a year or so ago, so it's impossible to tell what it will _really_ do to your device. My friends joked it's probably a mercy kill.
So yeah, I can't help but feel somewhat suspicious -- especially when you see a "GPS stability update" 2 years in a row in an 8 year old device. It almost seems like the changelog is copy-pasted from a template and designed to convince people into just installing whatever. Who wouldn't want more stable GPS, right?
Anyway, may as well do it. If it installs ads or something, I suppose I can always switch to a free / open system instead.

very likely the only change Samsung did was to GPS, to address GPS week number rollover

H:S said:
Thanks for the comments. I got this update a few weeks ago as well and kept postponing it. I mean, it's great that Samsung pushes updates after all this time, but the changelog is utterly useless: it's the same generic description that came with a similarly unexpected update a year or so ago, so it's impossible to tell what it will _really_ do to your device. My friends joked it's probably a mercy kill.
So yeah, I can't help but feel somewhat suspicious -- especially when you see a "GPS stability update" 2 years in a row in an 8 year old device. It almost seems like the changelog is copy-pasted from a template and designed to convince people into just installing whatever. Who wouldn't want more stable GPS, right?
Anyway, may as well do it. If it installs ads or something, I suppose I can always switch to a free / open system instead.
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Hahaha, your friends know well what Samsung is capable of doing... I still haven't installed the gps update, I have installed greenify without root but with the paid version that allows me to force stop system apps and so on with a touch I don't get that update so many times anymore. My Tab S 8.4 I changed the battery 4 years ago (New power 99) for 60e and I still get 8 hours of screen watching netflix 100% of the time. I'm worried about one thing... how long will netflix continue to support this fabulous tablet?