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S5 Bootloader locked?

I hear the S5 has a locked bootloader on AT&T. Is this rumor valid or a ton of baloney? I dont really want to go through all the safestrap crap again as I did with the S4

XxSHaDoWxSLaYeRxX said:
I hear the S5 has a locked bootloader on AT&T. Is this rumor valid or a ton of baloney? I dont really want to go through all the safestrap crap again as I did with the S4
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I dont believe anyone has the AT&T variant in hand, but if history has taught us anything its that AT&T will have it locked down.

AT&T will 99.99% lock the bootloader on the S5. They stated they will lock the bootloaders: "To ensure a safe and consistent experience on your wireless device, we do not support unlocked bootloaders."
I just wish T-Mobile would improve in my area because they are doings things right. Like selling the 32GB S5.

MattMJB0188 said:
AT&T will 99.99% lock the bootloader on the S5. They stated they will lock the bootloaders: "To ensure a safe and consistent experience on your wireless device, we do not support unlocked bootloaders."
I just wish T-Mobile would improve in my area because they are doings things right. Like selling the 32GB S5.
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This time around it looks like AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile will have S5 with locked bootloader
AT&T started with S4 and continued the tradition there after (G2, N3 etc.)
T-Mobile started with LG G Flex and looks like it will continue the tradition with S5. (Source: https://twitter.com/Anthony_J_Fox/status/446759896017420288)
Verizon started who knows when ?

Doubt we will have anything like lokidoki this time around also. Which is why I sold my s4 and got a nexus 5
Might pick up a HTC one m8 unlocked variant though if it supports LTE.
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Jonnyredcorn said:
Doubt we will have anything like lokidoki this time around also. Which is why I sold my s4 and got a nexus 5
Might pick up a HTC one m8 unlocked variant though if it supports LTE.
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LokiDoki was bad ass lol. I had kept it on my s4 all the way to the end. Everyone kept saying there would be another exploit, but there never was. The AT&T S4 doesn't see much development nowadays. Safestrap is good, but not the same. Maybe there will be a developer who can actually UNLOCK the bootloader instead of finding a way around it. These devices have become so hard to root, flash, and restore to stock with these locked bootloaders. Glad T-Mobile is getting in for the fun. It's almost sickening how much they publicly hate AT&T and Verizon, then they go and lock the S5 bootloader just like them.

Walter.White said:
This time around it looks like AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile will have S5 with locked bootloader
AT&T started with S4 and continued the tradition there after (G2, N3 etc.)
T-Mobile started with LG G Flex and looks like it will continue the tradition with S5. (Source: https://twitter.com/Anthony_J_Fox/status/446759896017420288)
Verizon started who knows when ?
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Im guessing T-mobile started because people were buying their devices for use on AT&T because of the unlocked bootloader. They dont make money on the devices they make it on the service and locked bootloaders will discourage this practice. My theory, not fact.

Walter.White said:
This time around it looks like AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile will have S5 with locked bootloader
AT&T started with S4 and continued the tradition there after (G2, N3 etc.)
T-Mobile started with LG G Flex and looks like it will continue the tradition with S5. (Source: https://twitter.com/Anthony_J_Fox/status/446759896017420288)
Verizon started who knows when ?
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I am sorry but I put 0 credibility behind the "SOURCE" for this statement that TMOBILE will have a locked bootloader - I have not even been able to confirm that the LG is locked - it may be that I am looking at the world thru rose colored glasses but I need to see something more than converstationwith an unknown person who may or may not know what they are talking about. The odds are that the S5 will be unlocked on TMOBILE - as an ATT customer using a TMOBILE NOTE 3 - I sure hope that is the case as I plan to buy the S5 when it comes out - if it is locked, I guess I will return it - but until I see more definitive proof - I don't believe it will be

mocsab said:
I am sorry but I put 0 credibility behind the "SOURCE" for this statement that TMOBILE will have a locked bootloader - I have not even been able to confirm that the LG is locked - it may be that I am looking at the world thru rose colored glasses but I need to see something more than converstationwith an unknown person who may or may not know what they are talking about. The odds are that the S5 will be unlocked on TMOBILE - as an ATT customer using a TMOBILE NOTE 3 - I sure hope that is the case as I plan to buy the S5 when it comes out - if it is locked, I guess I will return it - but until I see more definitive proof - I don't believe it will be
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So the actual tmobile response clearly stating the lg bootloader is locked isnt enough to convince you that the lg bootloader is locked?
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cloudraker said:
So the actual tmobile response clearly stating the lg bootloader is locked isnt enough to convince you that the lg bootloader is locked?
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If you are talking about the excerpt of the chat session the insurance guy posted online - then no, that is not enough to convince me. Do you have something more official from TMOBILE that says it is locked? I would love to see it if you do - I don't know who that person was at TOMOBILE - if it was a customer care person from the web site - I give them no credibility at all - you wouldn't believe the number of things they have said that have turned out to be totally untrue -
or are you talking about some sort of official notice that I have not seen?

mocsab said:
If you are talking about the excerpt of the chat session the insurance guy posted online - then no, that is not enough to convince me. Do you have something more official from TMOBILE that says it is locked? I would love to see it if you do - I don't know who that person was at TOMOBILE - if it was a customer care person from the web site - I give them no credibility at all - you wouldn't believe the number of things they have said that have turned out to be totally untrue -
or are you talking about some sort of official notice that I have not seen?
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Wasn't that T-Mobile's official twitter account? Anyway, I hope it is unlocked because everyone has the right to do what they want with their phone, as they own it. As an AT&T customer who used the T-Mobile Note 3, I can tell you that I will not be doing that again in the future. T-Mobile's Note 3 fully supported all of AT&T's bands, but I found LTE reception to be very bad. It was awful in places with low signal, and often would sit on HSPA+.
But my flashing days are over with. I pay for my devices at full price, and I won't risk bricking it with these very hard rooting/flashing procedures. Its just too risky nowadays. Maybe I got spoiled with the easy rooting/flashing methods we had before.
Back to the bootloader... I can see them locking it for the reason that many bought their device for use on AT&T. If the S5 bootloader is locked on T-Mobile then that's a shame. Looks like the "uncarrier" just made a selfish "carrier" move.

MattMJB0188 said:
Wasn't that T-Mobile's official twitter account? Anyway, I hope it is unlocked because everyone has the right to do what they want with their phone, as they own it. As an AT&T customer who used the T-Mobile Note 3, I can tell you that I will not be doing that again in the future. T-Mobile's Note 3 fully supported all of AT&T's bands, but I found LTE reception to be very bad. It was awful in places with low signal, and often would sit on HSPA+.
But my flashing days are over with. I pay for my devices at full price, and I won't risk bricking it with these very hard rooting/flashing procedures. Its just too risky nowadays. Maybe I got spoiled with the easy rooting/flashing methods we had before.
Back to the bootloader... I can see them locking it for the reason that many bought their device for use on AT&T. If the S5 bootloader is locked on T-Mobile then that's a shame. Looks like the "uncarrier" just made a selfish "carrier" move.
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I honestly don't know if that was an Official Tmobile Tweet or not - I guess I do wear rose colored glasses - always half full and all of that. I purchased a preorder of the S 5 so I will find out soon enough - if it is locked I will probably return it.
One reason I can think of that t mobile has decided to lock bootloader (if they have) is to cut down on the amount of returns they get from people who brick their device and then return it for a new replacement, hiding the fact that they were rooted or whatever. We may have become o our own worst enemy. I don't knnow how many hundreds - maybe thouhsands of phones have been returned at one time or another from someone claiming the phone was broken when in reality it was bricked because they tried something they shoulnd't have - or flashed a bad file or whatever. If you consider their side of things - you can understand why they might want to plug that hole....
regardless - I am a flashaholic - it is a disease - I need help desperately - lol - but seriously - I do hope we find that these are just rumours and that Tmobile has taken the high road and kept our phones open and "flashable"

mocsab said:
I honestly don't know if that was an Official Tmobile Tweet or not - I guess I do wear rose colored glasses - always half full and all of that. I purchased a preorder of the S 5 so I will find out soon enough - if it is locked I will probably return it.
One reason I can think of that t mobile has decided to lock bootloader (if they have) is to cut down on the amount of returns they get from people who brick their device and then return it for a new replacement, hiding the fact that they were rooted or whatever. We may have become o our own worst enemy. I don't knnow how many hundreds - maybe thouhsands of phones have been returned at one time or another from someone claiming the phone was broken when in reality it was bricked because they tried something they shoulnd't have - or flashed a bad file or whatever. If you consider their side of things - you can understand why they might want to plug that hole....
regardless - I am a flashaholic - it is a disease - I need help desperately - lol - but seriously - I do hope we find that these are just rumours and that Tmobile has taken the high road and kept our phones open and "flashable"
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It was official and VERIFIED TMobile's twitter account. Click on their twitter handle and you will see what I happen.

Will they sell develper editions of the S5? Like the S4? I havent seen any for sale yet. I really dont want to shell out $600 for a phone just so i can customize it.. Might as well wait on the Nexus 6:crying: or maybe i will jump ship to the New one m8 google edition (even tho imo its ugly and still costs alot of $$)

XxSHaDoWxSLaYeRxX said:
Will they sell develper editions of the S5? Like the S4? I havent seen any for sale yet. I really dont want to shell out $600 for a phone just so i can customize it.. Might as well wait on the Nexus 6:crying: or maybe i will jump ship to the New one m8 google edition (even tho imo its ugly and still costs alot of $$)
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The standard AT&T HTC m8 version has been confirmed to have an unlockable bootloader via the htc dev tool if you are concerned about having to buy off contract.

This is why I'm only buying Google edition phones now.
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Enough said
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Walter.White said:
It was official and VERIFIED TMobile's twitter account. Click on their twitter handle and you will see what I happen.
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Can't stop laughing at your sig

XxSHaDoWxSLaYeRxX said:
Can't stop laughing at your sig
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And that dude wasn't even drunk.

mircury said:
The standard AT&T HTC m8 version has been confirmed to have an unlockable bootloader via the htc dev tool if you are concerned about having to buy off contract.
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And an S-OFF tool has been released...the phone can now be fully and completely unlocked.
Combine that with a microSD slot and I'm hitting AT&T tomorrow like a fat kid through a cookie store.
Get em while you can!

So, should I abandon all hope for an unlocked bootloader for my att s5?

I regrettably bought the att version of the s5. And sadly didn't realize how much att ruined it until it was too late. My fault though, I didn't do my research.
So should forget about being able to have complete freedom with this phone?

starclassic said:
I regrettably bought the att version of the s5. And sadly didn't realize how much att ruined it until it was too late. My fault though, I didn't do my research.
So should forget about being able to have complete freedom with this phone?
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With increased security with every update and how long bootloaders have been locked, you shouldn't maintain any expectations if that is what you mean. You can always hope though. Perhaps sell your phone on swappa and get a Nexus to regain your freedom? The days of being a flashaholic on Sammy devices are passed. AT&T and Verizon has killed development with the lock downs. At least T-Mobile can use international ROMs.

I've given up hope. I thought I couldn't live without the Xposed framework (Amplify and Wanam specifically) but, to my surprise, the user experience, battery life, and functionality on this device is good enough for me not to mind.
I get a workplace discount on AT&T and I need data and voice in my locale and rural areas...so I'm not switching carriers anytime soon, if ever.

mwrobe1 said:
I've given up hope. I thought I couldn't live without the Xposed framework (Amplify and Wanam specifically) but, to my surprise, the user experience, battery life, and functionality on this device is good enough for me not to mind.
I get a workplace discount on AT&T and I need data and voice in my locale and rural areas...so I'm not switching carriers anytime soon, if ever.
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you can just do what many of us here do, buy an unlocked G900T (T-Mobile variant) and use it on AT&T. Works flawlessly and has unlocked bootloader!

@Sean89us +1. That's what i did

Ps-G900az can be bought brand new cheaper than the 900t fwiw
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Swimguy14 said:
Ps-G900az can be bought brand new cheaper than the 900t fwiw
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Pretty sure the 900az is bootloader locked too.

starclassic said:
I regrettably bought the att version of the s5. And sadly didn't realize how much att ruined it until it was too late. My fault though, I didn't do my research.
So should forget about being able to have complete freedom with this phone?
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Use safestrap.

[Q] Differences between Non-Branded Nexus 6 and Verizon Nexus 6

I've been doing research for the past couple of days and I have seen that when the Nexus 6 came out that there were basically just 2 different models out. The International and the North American models. I'm coming from a Galaxy S4 from Verizon and I honestly can say that I just find TouchWiz ugly. I have rooted it but it was too late, the damage Verizon has done already left a huge enough impact that I am too afraid to put a rom on it in fear of the consequences. It was my first smartphone and I was happy with it when I first got it and now I am not to fond of it any longer. With the way Verizon's new plans are, I'm hoping of buying the Nexus 6 from them and slowly paying it off.
I apologize for long intro so i'll get to the point. I am curious about the differences of the Nexus 6 straight from Google and the Nexus 6 straight from the Verizon store if I buy it from them. I would prefer to buy straight from Verizon since I'm a college student and money is very tight and the slow payments seem to work out better in the long run even though I will be paying more if I buy it straight from Verizon. , but if getting the "clean" Nexus 6 is worth the better investment then i'll save up more money and pay for it all right then and there.
I've also read that there have been issues in the past where people have bought a Nexus 6 elsewhere and when they came to Verizon to activate it, that Verizon turned them away and that it wasn't possible. Is this still happening ?
Lastly, if any of you have a Nexus 6 straight from Verizon:
- How has it held up to this point ?
- What are the different things Verizon has done to the phone that weren't there in the past ?
and any other advice you can give to me to make a good purchase decision.
I just want a smartphone that I can root, put roms on, experiment with on XDA, has near-vanilla android but also works with Verizon.
I apologize for such a long post and this is my first ever thread on XDA and i'm new so I hope you may bear with me. I just want to make sure I am giving enough information to where some of you guys can help get my questions answered so I won't resent purchasing a Nexus 6 straight from Verizon if I do.
Thank you very much for reading and helping if you choose to.
P.S. I'm unsure whether to post this in the General Forum for the Nexus 6 or the Help and Troubleshooting forum of the Nexus 6 . I apologize if I posted this in the wrong forum.

Iandrew124 said:
I've been doing research for the past couple of days and I have seen that when the Nexus 6 came out that there were basically just 2 different models out. The International and the North American models. I'm coming from a Galaxy S4 from Verizon and I honestly can say that I just find TouchWiz ugly. I have rooted it but it was too late, the damage Verizon has done already left a huge enough impact that I am too afraid to put a rom on it in fear of the consequences. It was my first smartphone and I was happy with it when I first got it and now I am not to fond of it any longer. With the way Verizon's new plans are, I'm hoping of buying the Nexus 6 from them and slowly paying it off.
I apologize for long intro so i'll get to the point. I am curious about the differences of the Nexus 6 straight from Google and the Nexus 6 straight from the Verizon store if I buy it from them. I would prefer to buy straight from Verizon since I'm a college student and money is very tight and the slow payments seem to work out better in the long run even though I will be paying more if I buy it straight from Verizon. , but if getting the "clean" Nexus 6 is worth the better investment then i'll save up more money and pay for it all right then and there.
I've also read that there have been issues in the past where people have bought a Nexus 6 elsewhere and when they came to Verizon to activate it, that Verizon turned them away and that it wasn't possible. Is this still happening ?
Lastly, if any of you have a Nexus 6 straight from Verizon:
- How has it held up to this point ?
- What are the different things Verizon has done to the phone that weren't there in the past ?
and any other advice you can give to me to make a good purchase decision.
I just want a smartphone that I can root, put roms on, experiment with on XDA, has near-vanilla android but also works with Verizon.
I apologize for such a long post and this is my first ever thread on XDA and i'm new so I hope you may bear with me. I just want to make sure I am giving enough information to where some of you guys can help get my questions answered so I won't resent purchasing a Nexus 6 straight from Verizon if I do.
Thank you very much for reading and helping if you choose to.
P.S. I'm unsure whether to post this in the General Forum for the Nexus 6 or the Help and Troubleshooting forum of the Nexus 6 . I apologize if I posted this in the wrong forum.
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I have a N6 I bought in March from Verizon and I love it. Other than the small Verizon branding on the back, and two Verizon apps pre-installed (My Verizon Mobile and Verizon Visual Voicemail), I don't believe there is anything different between it and a Google bought Nexus.
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The preinstalled apps can likely be uninstalled as they were probably pulled in automatically based on your SIM card. From what I've read, the shipping firmware is the same as the Play Store/Motorola model.
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Othoric said:
I have a N6 I bought in March from Verizon and I love it. Other than the small Verizon branding on the back, and two Verizon apps pre-installed (My Verizon Mobile and Verizon Visual Voicemail), I don't believe there is anything different between it and a Google bought Nexus.
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That's great to hear honestly. If there is no difference other than two Verizon apps then this is officially my first choice for when I get a new device with Verizon. I'm hoping I am smart enough to root it, flash Pure Nexus and make it my own.
Thank you for the response.

imnuts said:
The preinstalled apps can likely be uninstalled as they were probably pulled in automatically based on your SIM card. From what I've read, the shipping firmware is the same as the Play Store/Motorola model.
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That's also great to hear. Definitely going to get the Nexus 6 soon then once I can get a new phone. Getting really tired of my Galaxy S4.

I just bought a new 32gb unlocked blue nexus 6 at best buy today for $350 + tax
It was the best deal I could find. I traded in some games and got the total down to $317. The phone is amazing, I came from a verizon S5 and it was well worth the purchase not to see that TouchWiz **** all over my phone

Thanks for starting this discussion. I have a GS5, and I'm fed up with the Verizon crap but it's the best network around where I live.
My question, can you root the N6 purchased from Verizon?

oneseeker said:
Thanks for starting this discussion. I have a GS5, and I'm fed up with the Verizon crap but it's the best network around where I live.
My question, can you root the N6 purchased from Verizon?
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Yup. One of the few on Verizon you can have your way with. Can get device from anywhere. They all the same. Get whichever the cheapest and best warranty.

oneseeker said:
Thanks for starting this discussion. I have a GS5, and I'm fed up with the Verizon crap but it's the best network around where I live.
My question, can you root the N6 purchased from Verizon?
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Yep. 100% bootloader unlockable. I use wugs toolkit to unlock and flash custom recovery. Plus it's relockable if you need service.
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ffchampmt said:
Yep. 100% bootloader unlockable. I use wugs toolkit to unlock and flash custom recovery. Plus it's relockable if you need service.
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What do you mean re-lockable if I need service?
Does anyone know if I can buy the Nexus 6 (unlocked) from Best Buy with the special they are having right now and use it on Verizon ? I was going to wait for 2 months to get an early upgrade by turning my phone in and getting the Nexus 6 but if I can buy it for 350 right now then I definitely want to jump on it. I am just curious if I can buy it from Best Buy and use it on Verizon without any issues. If I do buy it then what do I need to do in order to make it work with Verizon ?
I really want a phone I can root easily, flash roms and experiment with. The Nexus 6 seems like the perfect device and with it at $350 right now, its a steal !
Does anyone know if this is just a special and for how long ? Or is it indefinitely?

Iandrew124 said:
What do you mean re-lockable if I need service?
Does anyone know if I can buy the Nexus 6 (unlocked) from Best Buy with the special they are having right now and use it on Verizon ? I was going to wait for 2 months to get an early upgrade by turning my phone in and getting the Nexus 6 but if I can buy it for 350 right now then I definitely want to jump on it. I am just curious if I can buy it from Best Buy and use it on Verizon without any issues. If I do buy it then what do I need to do in order to make it work with Verizon ?
I really want a phone I can root easily, flash roms and experiment with. The Nexus 6 seems like the perfect device and with it at $350 right now, its a steal !
Does anyone know if this is just a special and for how long ? Or is it indefinitely?
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Service meaning repairs in case you have to send the phone in for some reason. It will work fine on Verizon. You can either activate it through Verizon and get a new SIM card or just switch an existing (already activated) nano SIM from an existing Verizon device into your new Nexus 6. Either method works fine.

patmw123 said:
Service meaning repairs in case you have to send the phone in for some reason. It will work fine on Verizon. You can either activate it through Verizon and get a new SIM card or just switch an existing (already activated) nano SIM from an existing Verizon device into your new Nexus 6. Either method works fine.
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Oh ! Okay, I see. Thank you.
On the best buy website it says its doesnt support CDMA but thanks for telling me otherwise. It gives me hope that I can get a decent phone for cheap and love it.

Iandrew124 said:
What do you mean re-lockable if I need service?
Does anyone know if I can buy the Nexus 6 (unlocked) from Best Buy with the special they are having right now and use it on Verizon ? I was going to wait for 2 months to get an early upgrade by turning my phone in and getting the Nexus 6 but if I can buy it for 350 right now then I definitely want to jump on it. I am just curious if I can buy it from Best Buy and use it on Verizon without any issues. If I do buy it then what do I need to do in order to make it work with Verizon ?
I really want a phone I can root easily, flash roms and experiment with. The Nexus 6 seems like the perfect device and with it at $350 right now, its a steal !
Does anyone know if this is just a special and for how long ? Or is it indefinitely?
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$350-399 the going rate now. They on clearance for the new ones probably in November. Best Buy will match Internet price. So as long as Amazon and others have that price can just tell them and they will look it up on their PC. If you have a Verizon nano sim can just pop it in. They have the IEMIs now so they can activate for you. Shouldn't have a problem. I cut down my micro sim to fit before they would activate them.
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Forgot to address your first question. There are 2 unlocks. Carrier and bootloader. Previous poster was referring to bootloader unlock. They are all carrier unlocked except for ATT. ATT requires to pay for the device in full and be active on their service for 30 days before can use another sim. Bootloader unlock is for modding. We unlock the bootloader and if need to send for warranty we put back to stock and locked.

prdog1 said:
Best Buy will match Internet price. So as long as Amazon and others have that price can just tell them and they will look it up on their PC. If you have a Verizon nano sim can just pop it in. They have the IEMIs now so they can activate for you. Shouldn't have a problem. I cut down my micro sim to fit before they would activate them.
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Forgot to address your first question. There are 2 unlocks. Carrier and bootloader. Previous poster was referring to bootloader unlock. They are all carrier unlocked except for ATT. ATT requires to pay for the device in full and be active on their service for 30 days before can use another sim. Bootloader unlock is for modding. We unlock the bootloader and if need to send for warranty we put back to stock and locked.
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This answers similar question I've had since I have Verizon as my carrier. I found some good deals on swappa, and wondered if I got one from there, if I'd be able use it on Verizon.
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Beej1970 said:
This answers similar question I've had since I have Verizon as my carrier. I found some good deals on swappa, and wondered if I got one from there, if I'd be able use it on Verizon.
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You can use any on any carrier unless it is the ATT carrier locked. Also has to be NA version. Not International. I got Google version on Verizon. Everything works including tether on my Unlimited Data Plan.

prdog1 said:
You can use any on any carrier unless it is the ATT carrier locked. Also has to be NA version. Not International. I got Google version on Verizon. Everything works including tether on my Unlimited Data Plan.
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I'm sorry but what is "NA version"?
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Beej1970 said:
I'm sorry but what is "NA version"?
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North American. US and Canada. I looked on Swappa. They need to adjust their prices as the Market price decreases. They too high if can get new in box with full warranty for $350.

prdog1 said:
You can use any on any carrier unless it is the ATT carrier locked. Also has to be NA version. Not International. I got Google version on Verizon. Everything works including tether on my Unlimited Data Plan.
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Wait, so the International one's won't work with Verizon? The one Best Buy is selling on clearance is the GSM International model. So even though its an amazing deal, It won't work with Verizon because its the International model ?

Iandrew124 said:
Wait, so the International one's won't work with Verizon? The one Best Buy is selling on clearance is the GSM International model. So even though its an amazing deal, It won't work with Verizon because its the International model ?
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The US model is XT1103, which is what Best Buy should stock, and it will work on any US carrier. The XT1100 is the International model and would only work on AT&T/T-Mobile in the US (or any carrier that uses their network) as it doesn't have all the necessary bands for other carriers. Most places don't even carry the International model for sale in the US.

imnuts said:
The US model is XT1103, which is what Best Buy should stock, and it will work on any US carrier. The XT1100 is the International model and would only work on AT&T/T-Mobile in the US (or any carrier that uses their network) as it doesn't have all the necessary bands for other carriers. Most places don't even carry the International model for sale in the US.
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Okay, that helped clear up some questions I was having. Thank you. I guess its time to go buy that sweet Nexus 6 once I get my check. Ugh, i can't wait.
If you had to recommend a phone for a beginner who wants to root, put roms on his device and experiment with it, what would you recommend to them ?

T-Mobile will reportedly sell the OnePlus 6T

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...06/oneplus-6t-tmobile-us-android-phone-report
Well this is interesting news and great for us T-Mobile customers.
The big question that remains is... will the T-Mobile version have a bootloader that can't be unlocked? If so, the deal is off. However, if the bootloader on the T-Mobile version is unlockable, this may be a great option for those of us on T-Mobile. It will allow me to sell the OP6 and pickup the 6T through my carrier, with no up-front cost, using my active 'JUMP! On Demand' program.
Pretty excited to see how this pans out. But I'll remain perfectly happy with my OP6, in the mean time.

What would be the difference between carrier and international unlock phone?

The bootloader would most likely stay unlocked. Due to the open betas it does and os previews. T-Mobile doesn't lock the devices it's the phone maker. And it's also the warrenty. Us has rule that if the bootloader is unlocked the warrenty is void. But OnePlus give you the tools to fix your device and doesn't void your warrenty if you unlock.

netgar said:
What would be the difference between carrier and international unlock phone?
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That's still up in the air. It will come down to whether or not the bootloader is unlockable on the T-Mobile version. But, as joemossjr mentioned, it's unlikely that the T-Mobile variant of the 6T would prevent you from unlocking the bootloader, considering it goes against everything we know and love with previous/current OnePlus phones. But, time will tell.

It would be nice to be able to get the phone on my JoD. Of course I might have to wait as I just got the red OP6

Read about this today... definitely has my attention! The 6T spec's sound awesome...

It will definitely be network locked.
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I'm excited about this, but also curious about what changes will be made for the 6t. We may see an even bigger bump than from the 5 to the 5t, as this will be huge opportunity for OnePlus. What do you guys think?

I want to know what optimized for the carriers network means. Does that mean the unlocked version you get from OP won't be the same you pick up from T-mobile?
They both would have band 71 (the 6 does) so what are they optimizing?
I definitely want to take advantage of band 71 since my 5T isn't capable. Just curious to see the differences in the 2.
If the carrier version truly is better somehow, as long as it stayed the same price & didn't include bloat ware, I'd be tempted.
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This is horrible news. This is going to ruin op devices. They are going to get ready more expensive they are going to require you to buy a plan that your locked into for years. This will make it harder to get op devices in the future as well since they will do credit checks and all that to see if your even eligible. I hope this doesn't happen. The whole point of these phones is being unlocked already.

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This is horrible news. This is going to ruin op devices. They are going to get ready more expensive they are going to require you to buy a plan that your locked into for years. This will make it harder to get op devices in the future as well since they will do credit checks and all that to see if your even eligible. I hope this doesn't happen. The whole point of these phones is being unlocked already.
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LOL don't panic! Geez.
#1 there are no contracts for T-mobile and hasn't been for about 4 years or so.
#2 It will require a credit check if you do a payment plan over 24 months instead of buying it outright.
#3 You can STILL just buy the phone FROM OnePlus. They aren't only selling it through OnePlus. Buying through T-mobile will just allow you to make payments if you can't or don't want to pay in full upfront.

People actually use Tmobile???

dgunn said:
People actually use Tmobile???
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Are you trying to be sarcastic?
Lol

dgunn said:
People actually use Tmobile???
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People still use AT&T?

People still use Smartphones?! [emoji50]
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sn0warmy said:
People still use AT&T?
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People actually use Tmobile???
Liking our tmobile $30. 5 gig plan's for the last 5 years.

Am I the only one who doesn't trust an American Cellular Provider to NOT completely destroy the software before they offer the phone and then delay standard updates for six months to a year? I think OnePlus would have been better off negotiating with Best Buy and making Amazon an official retailer (hell Walmart is an option too here).

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Am I the only one who doesn't trust an American Cellular Provider to NOT completely destroy the software before they offer the phone and then delay standard updates for six months to a year? I think OnePlus would have been better off negotiating with Best Buy and making Amazon an official retailer (hell Walmart is an option too here).
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Out off all the carriers. T-Mobile is the best one not to add a bunch of crap to it. Historically they don't do much to the overall software.
Everyone needs to relax, geez....[emoji849][emoji41]
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6T ~ T-Mobile :laugh:

Did a speed test in Henderson, nv today. T-Mobile

Only real question I have: Will T-Mobile sell it?

With the 3's and 3a's on T-Mobile, I am almost certain they will; but I have not heard/seen anything official. Hoping someone with some inside knowledge can confirm or deny.
Really hoping they don't go back to "exclusive", or wait until the 4a comes out to sell it on other carriers.

Their contract ended with Verizon so it would be very unwise of Google to limit the carriers it sells its devices on.
I highly doubt they'd renew a partnership given how successful the Pixel has been lately, and their move to sell the Pixel 3a at other carriers highly suggests that their premium devices will follow the same trend
If that isn't enough confirmation then I don't know what is. Their exclusivity with Verizon was initially a great thing to get things rolling, but with each iteration of the Pixel following that, it's really done more harm than good.
And with them supposedly talking to D ish about establishing their own full fledged carrier it seems even less likely that they wouldn't embrace other carriers too given that their new carrier would literally use TMobile and Sprint towers to comply with the 4 carrier requirement needed for a Sprint and TMobile merger.
So no, I don't have any direct information to state otherwise, but on a financial level it would be awful of Google to not endorse other carriers.
Honestly, what I'm more interested in is knowing how they plan to support Verizon's standard for 5g while complying with the others as it vastly differs... Or better yet, if it will support 5g at all

Doubts and hopes are what I started with, mate. I am well aware of the history behind the deals and partnerships.
Looking for confirmation from an inside source.

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Doubts and hopes are what I started with, mate. I am well aware of the history behind the deals and partnerships.
Looking for confirmation from an inside source.
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I spoke to my friend at T-MOBILE and she confirmed that they will in fact be selling the 4.

It's not like it really matters since Google sells it direct anyways. Even if it was available from my carrier (AT&T in my case) I'd still buy it from Google so the carrier can't get its hands on it.

I would never buy it from a carrier. They will lock the bootloader and no root for you! Just look at the forums for the recent pixel 3a/3axl. Even if you don't plan on rooting now, it's nice to know you at least have the option should you choose to. You can also finance through Google.

The OnePlus devices may be instructive: These had bootloaders which could be unlocked after they were sim unlocked. The timing for sim unlock depended on how good a customer you were in some cases but primarily was based on having the device paid off. The smarter money if no deals were involved was simply buying from OnePlus direct because the updates are significantly faster. I would expect something similar here if it is indeed sold by Tmo.

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It's not like it really matters since Google sells it direct anyways. Even if it was available from my carrier (AT&T in my case) I'd still buy it from Google so the carrier can't get its hands on it.
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I would never buy it from a carrier. They will lock the bootloader and no root for you! Just look at the forums for the recent pixel 3a/3axl. Even if you don't plan on rooting now, it's nice to know you at least have the option should you choose to. You can also finance through Google.
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Amen!! Haven't used a carrier phone since the Nexus 6P was released!

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Amen!! Haven't used a carrier phone since the Nexus 6P was released!
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It is true !

The page is live, but if they really lock the bootloader, you can count me out! I'm still pissed about the fingerprint reader anyway!
https://www.t-mobile.com/offers/google-phone-deals

JeepFreak said:
The page is live, but if they really lock the bootloader, you can count me out! I'm still pissed about the fingerprint reader anyway!
https://www.t-mobile.com/offers/google-phone-deals
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Well, if it's fully paid for, I don't see why they won't let you unlock it. Unless you're going for a plan, which is completely understandable. Not everyone has a grand to drop at one time. But at the same time, you can't really gripe if they don't let you unlock a device you haven't fully paid for.