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The Tab S and Tab Pro are pretty close minus a few spec differences. My main question though, will the Tab Pro get more support due to it having a Snapdragon processor vs the eyxnos? Is it worth sticking it out with the Tab S and see where development leads to? I know the Eyxnos chips are harder and have less devs working on them due to this (from what I have read, source files, coding, etc).
here here here here here here and here are threads on Pro vs S
i should add i had a 10.1 Pro and bought a 10.5 S and Pro was sold next day.
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here here here here here here and here are threads on Pro vs S
i should add i had a 10.1 Pro and bought a 10.5 S and Pro was sold next day.
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What about development though? Will this device get more or does the eyxnos chip scare away devs?
Funny,
Everybody with a Tab Pro are worried it is an orphaned device because all of Samsung's energy is going into the S. I'd like to see sales numbers for both.
My main concern really is development, it can take a ok/good/great device and make it completely amazing.
Root makes these tablets amazing. The development community hasn't embraced these tabs but we still have root and now xposed makes most custom roms null and void. So if you're adament on flashing stuff then you might want to look elsewhere.... We'll there is the upcoming Nexus.
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I had a pro 8.4 and sold it to get a S 8.4. Love the S. Best tablet o ever used.
Part of it is a question of value. The Tab Pro is selling now for $200 refurbished. The Tab S is selling closer to $330. They have around the same performance (tab pro has a little bit of edge). But the tab S has an AMOLED screen and a thinner/lighter body.
If it's performance at any cost you want, then wait for the Dell Venue 7840 (uses tab s screen with 64 bit intel processor) or a Snapdragon 810 processor. Maybe get NVidia's Shield as it's the only tablet today with a 2014 ARM processor. More likely, wait for HTC's Nexus tablet
If form matters most, then the tab s (and don't sleep on the official samsung case, which is the first oem case to displace roocase as my go-to).
If value and compatibility matters most, then the tab pro. Having a Snapdragon 800 means that advances in Nexus 5, 7 and other android device kernels may make it's way into future development. According to Qualcomm the Snapdragon 800/801 is in the Nexus 5, LG G Pro 2, G Flex, G2& G3, HTC M8 & E8, OnePlus One, Samsung Galaxy Note 2014 LTE, Tab Pro, Tab S LTE, Note 3, S5 & S5A & Alpha US, Xperia Z Ultra, Z1, Z1C, Z2, Z3 & Z3C, Amazon's Kindle HDX and Fire, Asus's Padfone and Motorola X 2014.
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If it's performance at any cost you want, then wait for the Dell Venue 7840 (uses tab s screen with 64 bit intel processor) or a Snapdragon 810 processor. Maybe get NVidia's Shield as it's the only tablet today with a 2014 ARM processor. More likely, wait for HTC's Nexus tablet
If form matters most, then the tab s (and don't sleep on the official samsung case, which is the first oem case to displace roocase as my go-to).
If value and compatibility matters most, then the tab pro. Having a Snapdragon 800 means that advances in Nexus 5, 7 and other android device kernels may make it's way into future development. According to Qualcomm the Snapdragon 800/801 is in the Nexus 5, LG G Pro 2, G Flex, G2& G3, HTC M8 & E8, OnePlus One, Samsung Galaxy Note 2014 LTE, Tab Pro, Tab S LTE, Note 3, S5 & S5A & Alpha US, Xperia Z Ultra, Z1, Z1C, Z2, Z3 & Z3C, Amazon's Kindle HDX and Fire, Asus's Padfone and Motorola X 2014.
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also would like to add that if convenience of superior cross product integration is important to you like your tablet blending with your TV's (Samsung's) and your Phone (Samsung) then leaving Sammy for another manufacturer takes that away.
i stick with the best Sammy has to offer in all those items because i really like the cross platform software Sammy offers.
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My main concern really is development, it can take a ok/good/great device and make it completely amazing.
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Haha, I like how everyone is trying to avoid the question by giving an unrelated answer. Sorry this is coming off a bit negative BigMike but Samsung have poor development and software support ecosystem and they have shown it clearly in the past. Samsung owners will be lucky if they have more then 2 updates for their devices or support for more then 6 months. The company is out there just to make money from quick sales of hardware. Be warn and don't expect too much from Samsung if you're planning on getting any of their galaxy or tab variation devices. To answer your question in short format is neither devices will have any better development in the future from Samsung.
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Haha, I like how everyone is trying to avoid the question by giving an unrelated answer. Sorry this is coming off a bit negative BigMike but Samsung have poor development and software support ecosystem and they have shown it clearly in the past. Samsung owners will be lucky if they have more then 2 updates for their devices or support for more then 6 months. The company is out there just to make money from quick sales of hardware. Be warn and don't expect too much from Samsung if you're planning on getting any of their galaxy or tab variation devices. To answer your question in short format is neither devices will have any better development in the future from Samsung.
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I don't think he means development by Samsung. I believe he is referring to custom roms.
My first and last samsung tablet was 7.7 after then i bought only ipad and nexus tabs , my latest tablet was iPad mini RETINA i sold it 2 days ago and i bought TAB S 8.4 / man i cant believe this tablet is for samsung it is awesome i love it wow
Tab pro has whiter screen ...., tab s has yellow white!
Tab pro has Snapdragon and 2gb ram but it' s more powerful than exynos and 3gb of tab s!
Although i already bought tab s, if could return in time i was gonna choose tab pro and saved some money!
Tab s has lags & hiccups everywhere!
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Tab pro has whiter screen ...., tab s has yellow white!
Tab pro has Snapdragon and 2gb ram but it' s more powerful than exynos and 3gb of tab s!
Although i already bought tab s, if could return in time i was gonna choose tab pro and saved some money!
Tab s has lags & hiccups everywhere!
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my Tab S 10.5 is far superior to my Tab Pro 10.1 when it comes to performance. the difference is HUGE. both are the Best Buy Wifi Versions
Why choose tab pro, just go for tab s
100 percent i recomend Tab S
Definitely take Tab S. The screen is awesome, especially when you watch movies or HD pictures in dark room besides, Tab S is slimmer and lighter.
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The Tab S and Tab Pro are pretty close minus a few spec differences. My main question though, will the Tab Pro get more support due to it having a Snapdragon processor vs the eyxnos? Is it worth sticking it out with the Tab S and see where development leads to? I know the Eyxnos chips are harder and have less devs working on them due to this (from what I have read, source files, coding, etc).
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At the moment I'm personally using Galaxy Tab S 10.5 and I have a White Tab Pro 12.2 and a Black Tab Pro 12.2 .
Then pro has a really nice back with stiches which looks really nice but I prefer the Tab S as it looks nice with the gold around it. It is also slimmer and lighter. The pro uses LCD technology while the tab s uses AMOLED. Amoled gives better colours and consumes less power. The tab pro has usb3 while tab s has usb2 which is strange. Personally i think the winner is Galaxy Tab S. Processor wise dont listen to people saying Exynos is bad as its not. If you debloat your tablet it will work smooth without lag and also exynos uses less power so battery will last longer.
I had the Tab Pro 10.1 WiFi version and Tab S is "out for delivery" right now... I sure hope as hell that Tab S is better, because the Pro was pretty bad.
I was recently thinking about selling my Tab S and get the Tab Pro since its a lot cheaper. Plus I thought it had a lot of dev support. However when I compared the specs, it didnt make sense to sacrifice on screen technology, less ram and a larger device to save a few bucks. I got Tab S for 299 when I gave bestbuy a crappy old android tablet for 100 off towards Tab S. Then I looked into Tab Pro forums. Yes they have a few more roms but its not like its getting nexus level love over there. I am sticking with Tab S for now. I got a heavy debloated rom on Skyhigh kernel. Its alot better than stock. Tried Aosp port for a little while which was excellent for daily use but no Netflix was a dealbreaker for me. With time I hope to see more support for this tab.
Samsung has sold over 60 million Galaxy Note devices over the past three years.
What is the main reason why you prefer the Galaxy Note? Please vote and leave comments.
It's my first Note. When I saw the first Note I was like "Hell no, that phone is way too big" I thought my s3 was big enough. Flash forward 3 years after going from a 5.2" s5 to a 5.5" LG G3 and then the 5.5 yet slightly bigger OnePlus one the 5.7" Note 4 wasn't much of a stretch. I was contemplating the Nexus 6 but I felt that in terms of Phablet the Note 4 had so much more to offer for an extra 100$. So far I do have a couple of gripes but they're all software related therefore fixable. I was going to keep it as my backup device but after finding out all it can do I had a change of heart and decided to keep it as my daily driver. Note 4 FTW :good:
Went from Note 2 to Note 3, then OnePlus One, now the Note 4. OnePlus is a fine phone, especially for the price, but once you've integrated the s-pen into your daily life it's hard to go back. Every other "phablet" is a big phone and nothing more. The Note series delivers a lot of extra functionality that sets it apart and makes it more than just a big phone.
I only can choose 1 reason, but actually I've got more than 1 :
1. I like the design
2. I like the big screen & S pen
3. It came out in second half of the year, so it will get fastest update rather than other samsung phones, or it will get latest if google released the new android faster than usual
(Samsung is #1 choices in my city, great availability, great service center, and so on)
4. It has latest SoC, best specs on sheet
5. I have try them in SES in my city, and I can use a lot of its features
i have loved the first note and it only made sense to me to upgrade every year with the note series ( would have broken it with then note 4 if the edge was available lol)
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(would have broken it with then note 4 if the edge was available lol)
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It's Galaxy *Note* Edge, isn't it?
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Multitasking.
Great screens.
S-Pen (more with Note 4 than Note 3 tbh).
Design and quality feel (more so with the Note 4 than the Note 3).
Build quality.
Camera.
Loved my Note 2, and when sprint decided to release the Note 3 non sparked i had to go elsewhere (principalities) but I'm so happy to be back in the Note family. I actually don't use the spen as much as i should but this phone is so much more then that for me. A quality device with excellent specs! And works great with my Tab S!
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Note 1 - initially for screen size and performance
Note 2 - for the stylus note taking plus other Note features
Note 10.1 - Business functions with multi Windows and Note taking
Note 8 - wanted more portable Note 10 and better speed
Note 3 - really good stylus functions and multi windows. Also Wolfson sound card.
Note 10.1 2014 - replacement for my Note 10.1
Note 4 - looking to replace my Note 10.1 2014 but did not work out so looking forward to the 10.1 2015 device. Really like power and using Knox for business security
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Note 10.1 - Business functions with multi Windows and Note taking
Note 8 - wanted more portable Note 10 and better speed
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Doesn't Note 8 have the same CPU&GPU as Note 10.1?
Anyway, my Note 10.1 is very fast. The problem with it was Samsung for some reason released it with buggy firmware and all reviewers put into their reviews that it lags like hell - while the first update fix that problem altogether, the reviews stayed.
PS. And of course you have to keep some GBs free on the sdcard because otherwise it will slow down considerably. It is a known issue of most mobile devices caused by poor flash memory, I hope we will see SSDs in tablets soon.
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Doesn't Note 8 have the same CPU&GPU as Note 10.1?
Anyway, my Note 10.1 is very fast. The problem with it was Samsung for some reason released it with buggy firmware and all reviewers put into their reviews that it lags like hell - while the first update fix that problem altogether, the reviews stayed.
PS. And of course you have to keep some GBs free on the sdcard because otherwise it will slow down considerably. It is a known issue of most mobile devices caused by poor flash memory, I hope we will see SSDs in tablets soon.
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They're all great products if exploited properly
I chose Top Performance and Multitasking e.g. the smoothness and speed of UI, 3GB RAM, Snapdragon 805 and incredible battery performance.
But I must admit, the disappointing Galaxy S5, the metal frame of Note 4 , its jaw dropping 5.7inch display and the fact Samsung made its Note series its premium range, all had me wanting this beast to
The awesome screen is the primary reason. I liked the firm factor of my prior LG G3 better BUT not the display.
.Note 4 is much better from my experience. Also tried the IP6 Plus for 2 weeks but my sidebyside comparison for a few days says the N4 is much better screen...especially for reading Kindle books / magazines.
This thread really needs an "all of the above" option
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This thread really needs an "all of the above" option
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Then it definitely would be the most popular choice, but it is interesting to understand the primary reason
Regarding the big screen vote - it is a surprise for me because there are many different devices with big screens and high resolution now.
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Then it definitely would be the most popular choice, but it is interesting to understand the primary reason
Regarding the big screen vote - it is a surprise for me because there are many different devices with big screens and high resolution now.
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Well I can't single out one reason. I love the size of the screen with its great display, great performance, and the SPen! Hard to single anything out. Compared to the other phones of this caliber I'd say the SPen helped to stick out. Plus I'm not a fan of Droids, iPhones and LG phones for various reasons.
Sadly, I think the multitasking is just not as good as it should be w/o root. It only supports a few apps, so that's out! :/
All I need for it to be perfect is root :good: okay, and maybe waterproofing and 64-bit processor but really that's just being spoiled
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S-Pen (more with Note 4 than Note 3 tbh).
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Was rereading the thread and noticed your comment in brackets. Why do you think S-Pen is better in Note 4 rather than in Note 3?
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Was rereading the thread and noticed your comment in brackets. Why do you think S-Pen is better in Note 4 rather than in Note 3?
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Better sensitivity so it flows better on the screen. Also, text marking and functions like smart select.
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Then it definitely would be the most popular choice, but it is interesting to understand the primary reason
Regarding the big screen vote - it is a surprise for me because there are many different devices with big screens and high resolution now.
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But none of the phones have as high quality display as the Note 4.
Battery life.
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Does this mean no Snapdragon in Note 5?
http://m.androidcentral.com/report-says-samsung-wont-use-snapdragon-810-upcoming-galaxy-s6
Report says that Samsung won't use Snapdragon 810 in Galaxy S6, overheating issues to blame
By Harish Jonnalagadda | Jan 21 2015 | 4:25 am | 12 Comments
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Over the last few years, Samsung has stuck to a release model for its flagships that sees the inclusion of Qualcomm chips for LTE markets, and Exynos-based variants in South Korea and emerging markets. That may change with the Galaxy S6, as a report out of Bloomberg states that Samsung won't offer a Snapdragon 810 variant of the Galaxy S6 on grounds of overheating issues.
Citing people familiar with the matter, Bloomberg says that Qualcomm's eight-core Snapdragon 810 "overheated during the Korean company's testing," with Samsung finally deciding not to use it altogether. Samsung will instead launch the Galaxy S6 with an in-house Exynos SoC. The South Korean manufacturer has been making huge strides in the field of application processors, with the latest version featuring an integrated LTE modem.
Samsung isn't far off in terms of processing power when seen against Qualcomm's offerings, but the vendor, along with everyone else in the segment including MediaTek, Intel and Nvidia, are miles behind Qualcomm when it comes to LTE modems. For instance, Qualcomm announced that it will offer the Snapdragon 810 with an LTE Category 9 modem that can attain download speeds of up to 450 Mbit/sec.
If Samsung is indeed looking to boycott the Snapdragon 810, it may be in the minority, as LG's G Flex 2 has Qualcomm's eight-core SoC, and HTC's upcoming One M9 is also expected to feature Qualcomm's latest.
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If Samsung skips it due to overheating issues should we be concerned about flagship devices using it?
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arutemauepon
We don't know if it's real or they just made it up so they can opt for exynos
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rd_nest
Why should they do that when they have been using Qualcomm for past many years? It's a business, not fight among kids where you need to give a useless logic. If Samsung just wanted to use Exynos, they would simply do so without even talking about Qualcomm. There is no logic to giving any sort of explanation.
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Benjamin_NYC
Right. It's a business. And using their own in house chip is cheaper. This is a smoke screen.
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9ersfan3
The Exynos 7 is so powerful it may have the 810 trumped. I wish the SD 805 had issues that forced Samsung to go with only the Exynos 5433 on the note 4, lol. Exynos is now top of the line. The days of the octa 5420 (which is still very powerful) are over. The cat 9 of the 810 is impressive though
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Well it's all rumours until the phone actually shows up, personally don't mind either one, as both the Snapdragon and Exynos (which one though?) seem to be beasts.
But some modders might not like the Exynos
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At the HTC event, I would like if AC could ask about this issue. I don't want to get an overheating mess on the m9.
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LOL AC "editors" don't ask any "questions" that might prove difficult for manufacturers or Google. They simply report the fluff presented to them.
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rd_nest
@harish Jonnalagadda, why are you mentioning Cat 9 modem as it is of much importance here? Samsung already is planning for in-house Cat 10 modem, so why suddenly Cat 9 be of any importance. Forget Cat 9/10, how many regions can actually exceed Cat 6??
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-exynos-cat10-lte-450mbps,28177....
http://www.gsmarena.com/next_samsung_exynos_soc_rumored_to_feature_cat10...
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Peter Burkes
I have a Samsung Galaxy s5 & its over heating as well. Never had this problem before with any Galaxy phones.
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Bit of a worry really, as if it is a problem with the 810 chip itself, the other vendors will have issues. On the other hand, if it is simply the design of the S6 that is to blame for the issues then Sammy are not doing such a great job.
Either way, I'm glad I'll be skipping this years offerings, hopefully 2016 will have stable CPU choices, 2K with no lag and type C USB
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What are you talking about? There are no 2015 flagships even out yet...
How about waiting for facts before making absurd comments...
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If the overheating issues are a fact, then Samsung would have an edge if they designed a mean SoC. Especially if their competitors are going for the 810.
I've also been missing the Wolfson DAC, since the Exynos version is impossible to find unless I'm looking abroad. Would be nice to have that opportunity.
With all the reported issues in the 810, I'd avoid any phone based on it, and wait for one based on the 820.
It would be better if Samsung stuck to one CPU per Galaxy model though, IMO, I remember the Note 2 being Exynos globally, if I'm not mistaken?
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With all the reported issues in the 810, I'd avoid any phone based on it, and wait for one based on the 820.
It would be better if Samsung stuck to one CPU per Galaxy model though, IMO, I remember the Note 2 being Exynos globally, if I'm not mistaken?
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Yep, same as the S3.
S3 had snapdragon s4 in north america i think
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S3 had snapdragon s4 in north america i think
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That's correct, the Note 2 was quite strange in that it was only Exynos which I was sure was an error since most other Samsung devices used Qualcomm in the US and some other territories but it does seem to be the case.
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That's correct, the Note 2 was quite strange in that it was only Exynos which I was sure was an error since most other Samsung devices used Qualcomm in the US and some other territories but it does seem to be the case.
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My understanding was that it used separate lte radio. Now days they go for integrated solution
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Glad they are dumping crapdragon (as I call) in favor of exynos, the should have done it long back
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With all the reported issues in the 810, I'd avoid any phone based on it, and wait for one based on the 820.
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Agree.
As I've said before, the 810 turns out to be a bad chip.
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That's correct, the Note 2 was quite strange in that it was only Exynos which I was sure was an error since most other Samsung devices used Qualcomm in the US and some other territories but it does seem to be the case.
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Wait, there was no SD Note 2?
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Wait, there was no SD Note 2?
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That's correct, there were variants with different radio support but they all used the Samsung Exynos platform rather than Snapdragon. I initially assumed a friend in the US was wrong when he said his US Note 2 was Exynos but when I read up on it I couldn't find any variants using a Snapdragon platform.
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That's correct, there were variants with different radio support but they all used the Samsung Exynos platform rather than Snapdragon. I initially assumed a friend in the US was wrong when he said his US Note 2 was Exynos but when I read up on it I couldn't find any variants using a Snapdragon platform.
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Hm, I didn't know! Usually, we get the SD where I live. Our S3 was Exynos. I stand corrected.
snapdragons this generation and the next suck so im happy they decided to ditch it for the s6. maybe we will get a 64 bit kernel for our note 4s finally if they go all in on exy 7s for the s6.
They should put a heatsink fan on s805
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Personally, i give a damn on what processor the Note 5 will use (as that will be my next phone or maybe the Note 6). Because what matters to me is that the CPU and ofc the GPU gives me good performance and as long as i can root and install a good custom ROM on the Note without any hassles or problems, then i will be all happy.
I know there are more support for the Snapdragon CPU's when it comes to custom ROM's, but i do believe it's alright for the Exynos version to if i'm not wrong here?
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Wait, there was no SD Note 2?
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Nope. This is why "Exynos abuse" was easiest way to root Note 2.
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zurkx said:
snapdragons this generation and the next suck so im happy they decided to ditch it for the s6. maybe we will get a 64 bit kernel for our note 4s finally if they go all in on exy 7s for the s6.
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Agree. I tried out Note 4 with SD at Best Buy and decided to go with Exynos version. The lags and stutters on SD version are too obvious. Also not happy with audio/music quality on SD DAC.
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Personally, i give a damn on what processor the Note 5 will use (as that will be my next phone or maybe the Note 6). Because what matters to me is that the CPU and ofc the GPU gives me good performance and as long as i can root and install a good custom on the Note without any hassles or problems, then i will be all happy.
I know there are more support for the Snapdragon CPU's when it comes to custom ROM's, but i do believe it's alright for the Exynos version to if i'm not wrong here?
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You mean you don't give a damn? Anyway, CPU performance is hardly a problem these days. A lot more of it is in software optimization. The support for the SD SoCs is a lot bigger, since it's everywhere. More closed source SoCs, like the Exynos, are only to be found in Samsung's phones. It's harder to develop a proper CM for it due to closed source libs, but some of the most skilled developers in here are still doing some amazing work.
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Nope. This is why "Exynos abuse" was easiest way to root Note 2.
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I see, thanks
Personally, I think Samsung should go for the Exynos, as Qualcomm has hardly any competition. With Samsung being one of the biggest manufacturers, I think it can make a huge difference. If Samsung is just consistent, using only the Exynoses in their flagships at least.
Exynos Note 4 users can expect a increase in Android development if the chip used in the S6 is similar enough =)
Qualcomm to provide Samsung with a modified Snapdragon 810:
http://www.gsmarena.com/qualcomm_to_provide_samsung_with_a_modified_snapdragon_810-news-10895.php
My Note 4 will be my last phone from Samsung.
Now thinking of the LG G4 Pro when it comes out or there's the new Motorola X Style coming out next month for only £359.99:
http://blog.clove.co.uk/2015/08/14/pre-order-motorola-x-style-359-99-coming-september/
When you compare the specs of this phone and the price to the Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge+ 32GB – £600 including VAT (£500+VAT) 64GB – £680 including VAT (£566.67+VAT) you can see how Samsung are rapidly becoming the new Nokia.
Perhaps they shouldn't rely on 'focus groups' so much?
Don't know if cheaper but I'll be moving to LG g4 pro hopefully if it has what I want. Contract expires soon
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Galaxaster said:
My Note 4 will be my last phone from Samsung.
Now thinking of the LG G4 Pro when it comes out or there's the new Motorola X Style coming out next month for only £359.99:
http://blog.clove.co.uk/2015/08/14/pre-order-motorola-x-style-359-99-coming-september/
When you compare the specs of this phone and the price to the Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge+ 32GB – £600 including VAT (£500+VAT) 64GB – £680 including VAT (£566.67+VAT) you can see how Samsung are rapidly becoming the new Nokia.
Perhaps they shouldn't rely on 'focus groups' so much?
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Yes, the G Pro 4 as the lad above me said, it will be a really heavy hitter. Or...
...the previous Notes, 3 and 4.
True, no 64 bit processors, but the Note 4's camera is comparable to the one in the Note 5, also removable battery, also the same 2K screen.
The Note 3 - camera is obviously weaker, but due to the screen not being 2K, doesn't drain the battery so much, plus we have ports of the Note 4 and S6. The phone is still powerful even today. And these days it's dirt cheap.
Or if you don't care about battery life too much, wait for the new Nexuses. I'm eyeing the Nexus 5 (2015) cause rumors claim it will be Full HD screen instead of 2K + the Snapdragon 820 inside.
Thanks, Samsung, for a 3000 mAh battery in a phone that could have had 4000 easily, and this bull***t "why use your phone for longer when you can charge it faster"? F*** logic.
If my only upgrade options are with pathetic battery life, I think I'll get pathetic battery life with pure Android.
I've also read that the Nexus 5 (15) is going to have the 620 snapdragon.
Yes... The Moto X PE
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Yes, the G Pro 4 as the lad above me said, it will be a really heavy hitter. Or...
...the previous Notes, 3 and 4.
True, no 64 bit processors, but the Note 4's camera is comparable to the one in the Note 5, also removable battery, also the same 2K screen.
The Note 3 - camera is obviously weaker, but due to the screen not being 2K, doesn't drain the battery so much, plus we have ports of the Note 4 and S6. The phone is still powerful even today. And these days it's dirt cheap.
Or if you don't care about battery life too much, wait for the new Nexuses. I'm eyeing the Nexus 5 (2015) cause rumors claim it will be Full HD screen instead of 2K + the Snapdragon 820 inside.
Thanks, Samsung, for a 3000 mAh battery in a phone that could have had 4000 easily, and this bull***t "why use your phone for longer when you can charge it faster"? F*** logic.
If my only upgrade options are with pathetic battery life, I think I'll get pathetic battery life with pure Android.
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I don't think we're going to see a phone with the Snapdragon 820 until 2016. I'd love to be proven wrong though. It just got announced.
Best hope we have is a G4 Pro with the full Snapdragon 810 that doesn't overheat and with all we wanted in the Note (removable battery, SD card) and of course what you would expect in a flagship (awesome screen - probably with LG it will be IPS, top end camera, and the other features). I'd love for a return to a Nexus with a removable battery and storage but I don't think that is happening.
The last LG G pro, the LG G pro 2 wasn't released for the US market. Maybe the LG G pro 3 will be different.
The LG g4 isn't really an option because it has inferior graphics performance vs the note 4 and almost no development support.
Anyway I'm going to give the Note 5 a try. If I don't like it, I have 14 days to return it.
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My Note 4 will be my last phone from Samsung.
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Don't be so dramatic . Enjoy your note4, it's a great phone, the s6 is a great phone too, the note5 is a mistake when you consider its predecessors only. Next year Samsung might wisen up and make a great phone again
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Don't be so dramatic . Enjoy your note4, it's a great phone, the s6 is a great phone too, the note5 is a mistake when you consider its predecessors only. Next year Samsung might wisen up and make a great phone again
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HTC and Motorola have both done the same thing. They both removed expandable storage and then restored it.
The HTC M7 and Moto X both lacked microsd card support. The HTC restored expandable storage in the M8 and M9 while motorola restored it in the Moto X style.
The best alternative to the Note 5? You already own it, it's called the Note 4!
With that said, if you really don't need the Wacom pen (I do), I'd also have suggested the LG G4 or the Moto X Style/Pure if you can also do without a removable battery, with the latter's strongest selling point being that it works on just about any network you can imagine, no countless variants with locked-out bands like everyone who isn't Apple or Google tends to do.
I still don't believe the LG G4 Pro is a thing until it gets officially announced, but if they stop faffing about with capacitive styluses and put a proper Wacom digitizer in there, they're gonna steal all of the Galaxy Note users ticked off by the Note 5 in one fell swoop.
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The best alternative to the Note 5? You already own it, it's called the Note 4!
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I'm using a Note 3 and its wonderful. I bought TWO Note 1's. The first one got flakey after a year and I didn't like the Note 2 cause of the narrower screen so I got another Note 1. Now I've upgraded to the Note 3 and the software (AryaMod 7.2 + a kernel with memory compression) is really maturing, I have a 128GB SD which I'll soon upgrade to 200GB, 256GB or 512GB depending on prices at the end of the year. The Note 3 was the great leap forward.
The Note 4 was an incremental step over the Note 3. I bit of a step backwards losing USB 3.0. But otherwise its a Note 3+
The Note5 is an evil degenerative troll. They should just cancel it and wait till next year.
Hopefully sales will be so bad that they will be compelled to release a fixit version of the Note 5 with SD, and either removable battery or make the silly thing water proof to give you a reason the battery can't be removed.
The Note5 is an abomination. Stick with the Note 3 or 4 till the Note 6 comes out.
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The Note5 is an abomination. Stick with the Note 3 or 4 till the Note 6 comes out.
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Really I think it will be a good phone, one of the best on the market but for note4 and s6 owners this phone won't be a straight upgrade more of a sidegrade, where you sacrifice some functionality for other functionality. It shouldn't have been, it should have a clear upgrade
The Note 5 has a lot of competition
The Huawei Mate 8 is launching next month.
Add this to the growing list of Note 5 alternatives:
http://vinereport.com/article/huawei.mate.8.mate.8.to.be.officially.released.in.ifa.new.phone.will.have.front.facing.led.flash.for.front.cam/2344.htm
That mate 8 phone sounds really impressive but these phones need to have some kinda pen especially since their bigger .. I hope the g4 pro ends up releasing
Biggest problem is every damn phone out there have somefunction wich is missing compared to N4
Exempel. Most phones dont have IR like moto
Removabale battery
The S pen and muti window
Support for my Gear S
No wireless charging
And other small stuff... So whatever damn phone i look at is missing functions
Im stickning with my N4 and dont know why we all Gotta chnage phones..mine is great.
Btw. Note 3 owners. Uppgrade to N4 i have them both at Home and n4 is better and worth it.
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For me, the main festure I want that Samsung has now failed on with both the Note 4 and Note 5, is a larger screen than my Note 3. All the things they did taking steps backwards with the Note 5, is just adding insult to injury for me. I don't care what the hell was in the phone, if it still a has a "small ass" 5.7 inch screen, I don't want it. Now I'm completely ready to jump to another manufacturer, after having the original Note and then Note 3, as long as someone comes out with a high end phone with a larger screen than 5.7 inches.
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I'm using a Note 3 and its wonderful. I bought TWO Note 1's. The first one got flakey after a year and I didn't like the Note 2 cause of the narrower screen so I got another Note 1. Now I've upgraded to the Note 3 and the software (AryaMod 7.2 + a kernel with memory compression) is really maturing, I have a 128GB SD which I'll soon upgrade to 200GB, 256GB or 512GB depending on prices at the end of the year. The Note 3 was the great leap forward.
The Note 4 was an incremental step over the Note 3. I bit of a step backwards losing USB 3.0. But otherwise its a Note 3+
The Note5 is an evil degenerative troll. They should just cancel it and wait till next year.
Hopefully sales will be so bad that they will be compelled to release a fixit version of the Note 5 with SD, and either removable battery or make the silly thing water proof to give you a reason the battery can't be removed.
The Note5 is an abomination. Stick with the Note 3 or 4 till the Note 6 comes out.
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I definitely agree in that the Note 3 was the biggest leap forward, given the jump to 1080p, USB 3.0, S800, IR blaster and so forth.
The Note 4 lost USB 3.0, ambient temp and humidity sensors for whatever dumb reason, but I do like the fast charge, pen tilt sensitivity and Gear VR it brought to the table. It probably helped that I was coming from an S3 (would've been a Note 2 if I had my way); coming from a Note 3, you'd gain a lot less, even losing a little.
But you'd lose a lot less than going to the Note 5. Samsung really screwed us this time, and I can only hope they realize their error by bringing back everything with the Note 6.
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hey guys, i need some of your help, i will buy a note 4 in these days, is still worth buying?
If yes, what model? the snapdragon quadcore or the exynos octacore? which of them have more development for stable roms like a note 7 port to the note 4?
Please i need your opinions, thank you
Won't recommend it this late, especially when the likes of OnePlus 3 is out there, sorry. Also there is HTC 10. The only reason you should get the Note 4 is if you are getting it at a really low price. I love my Note 4, but a phone running TouchWiz, well it still runs TouchWiz. But if S Pen is a mandatory thing to you then you can't go anywhere else except the Note 4, that's true too.
Exynos all the way, if you don't wish for them AOSP based ROMs.
I don't agree, this is my fourth Note 4. Thought I could replace it with LG G4, no way. Thougth I could replace it with Oneplus 3, no way. Yeah, The OP3 is snappier, but thats it, everything else is better on Note 4.
OcainD said:
hey guys, i need some of your help, i will buy a note 4 in these days, is still worth buying?
If yes, what model? the snapdragon quadcore or the exynos octacore? which of them have more development for stable roms like a note 7 port to the note 4?
Please i need your opinions, thank you
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I voted yes. I actually just ordered one yesterday, Due to arrive tomorrow. I was between a rock and a hard place when I made my decision. Seeing as the new notes all have a lot of nice features and speed improvement. The reason I decided on the note 4 is of course the note features as compared to other things like the lg g4 the oneplus etc. And my second biggest reason is that it's the last of the note series to have svlte. Meaning if i'm at a store and someone calls me I can still use data without needing wifi. All newer phones "at least on verizon" do not allow this unless you have volte I think. Problem is I use all my phones on prepaid and verizon won't allow prepaid users to use advanced calling. So if you're on verizon prepaid then the note 4 is for you. If you're on contract or just don't care about svlte then I say get a newer note. note 5 major drawbacks to me. no svlte. no sd card. no removable battery. note 7 drawbacks. no removeable battery and still very expensive.
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I voted yes. I actually just ordered one yesterday, Due to arrive tomorrow. I was between a rock and a hard place when I made my decision. Seeing as the new notes all have a lot of nice features and speed improvement. The reason I decided on the note 4 is of course the note features as compared to other things like the lg g4 the oneplus etc. And my second biggest reason is that it's the last of the note series to have svlte. Meaning if i'm at a store and someone calls me I can still use data without needing wifi. All newer phones "at least on verizon" do not allow this unless you have volte I think. Problem is I use all my phones on prepaid and verizon won't allow prepaid users to use advanced calling. So if you're on verizon prepaid then the note 4 is for you. If you're on contract or just don't care about svlte then I say get a newer note. note 5 major drawbacks to me. no svlte. no sd card. no removable battery. note 7 drawbacks. no removeable battery and still very expensive.
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I agree, the only reason why i dont choose the note 5 over the note 4 is for the sd card slot, and i dont get the note 7 becouse it is too way expensive.
I would choose the OP3 over the note 4 of course, but it doesnt have sd card slot, and there is only a variant of 64 gb
And i dont buy phones with mobile contract lol
Ohh and another question, which is the variant tag of the note 4 exynos octacore?
I've had my N910C for about a year now and it's probably the best device I've ever had. I got it shortly last year after the SGS6 series was released and when the specs of the Note 5 were announced. If I do end up upgrading it will probably be to a Note 7 as Note 4 are now very hard to find in brand new condition.
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Ohh and another question, which is the variant tag of the note 4 exynos octacore?
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C and U are the tags which stated that you have a Exynos 5433 Octocore device.
I recently bought a refurb TMo Note 4 that went for cheap to use as a backup phone to my Nexus 6P. The last Samsung phone I had was a S4 and I was disillusioned with Samsung since the S3 and very critical of their software, so I only used Motorola and Nexus since. I have opened many phones brands to see their internals including Huawei, HTC, Motorola, ZTE, Samsung and Apple. I'm never impressed with Samsung internal build quality including this Note 4, which I think is cheap considering how much it cost during release. (My opinion, you don't have to get offended.)
I didn't expected to like the S-Pen features so much, along with multitask and pop out feature. This is pretty important to me, to be able watch a video while doing something else at the same time. I can do this with third party apps on the Nexus, I like the fact it's built in for the Note. With Root, Adaway, Nova Launcher, XPosed (reluctantly) the phone is pretty smooth and while not super snappy as my Nexus 6P, it certainly isn't slow. Another important Samsung feature I like is the Game Tuner and this pretty much eliminate the performance issue since I can play games at 720p/1080p and get good framerates. Again I can lower the screen res on my Nexus as well, except this is built in and it only affect selected apps which is much more convenient. Basically, the Note have all the features I wanted built in that I would have to go through extra steps to make available on my Nexus. Did I mentioned removable battery, sdcard and IR blaster?
The only downside for the phone is the finger print scanner is crap, but Smart Unlock works for me so it's not a problem. Other minor issue is the GPS sucks, I had to open up the phone which scared me a bit actually, but I managed to bend that GPS gold contact point upward a bit, now the signal is great.
So I sold the 6P to pay some bills and using the Note 4 as my daily driver. I think the whole Note 7 recall might work in my favor if it cause the phone price to go down faster, then I might upgrade to the Note 7 rather than getting the the new Google Pixel phone.
I forget to mention T-Mobile WiFi Calling works perfectly and stays connected all the time with this phone, a huge deal. For whatever reason it's always disconnect on the Nexus 6P and with Android 7 update it got worse.
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as Note 4 are now very hard to find in brand new condition.
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Disagree, I recently bought 2x Note 4's for around 260€ a piece plus shipping and both are as new! So if you look around carefully you can find them for a reasonable price in as new condition...
Looking at ebay.de/co.uk and you will find good examples.
I would even go further that if they have some minor scratches on the frame, go and buy yourself a new frame. Replacing the frame is easy as is replacing the display assy...
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hey guys, i need some of your help, i will buy a note 4 in these days, is still worth buying?
If yes, what model? the snapdragon quadcore or the exynos octacore? which of them have more development for stable roms like a note 7 port to the note 4?
Please i need your opinions, thank you
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Hi there,
I voted "YES" too.
I have one already (one Month old) and two more for the rest of the family coming this way. Why you may ask?
I need the S-Pen features, I wan't to be able to replace the battery (switch it in 2 min and 100% battery again), I'm using the SM-N9100 dual sim together with the MicroSD card (can't do that with Note 5 or Note7).
Finally the main reason (Price), I have friends in China that can buy it at 280€ , although locked to China SIM's but with a 10min call (using China SIM) and no problem at all using other Region SIM's ever.
It has a CHC rom (China and English) but using ODIN we can easily load the TGY Multi Language ROM with Gapps (Stock) and not triggering the KNOX warranty flag...
PS: The only downside points (by choosing the DualSIM N9100 version) are :
- The lack or Custom Roms (for example 6.0.1 not yet available "officially" in the TGY variant, maybe a few weeks from now since the CHC is "Finally" out).
- Smaller battery (3000 vs 3220).
- Less storage (16GB vs 32GB).
- Only Snapdragon, no Exynos option for dual sim.
- No FDD LTE band 20, but on the plus side we do have more bands for TDD side (traveling).
but unfortunately I really need the "DualSIM" feature .
PS: In China I saw the non-dual sim version at a even lower price (250€). Imagine buying three units at the same cost of the latest Note7. Can't beat the features/price ratio, especially packed with a amazing 5.7 inch 2K super Amoled screen . And I'm not talking about Refurbishing units.
Thanks,
Regards,
OcainD said:
hey guys, i need some of your help, i will buy a note 4 in these days, is still worth buying?
If yes, what model? the snapdragon quadcore or the exynos octacore? which of them have more development for stable roms like a note 7 port to the note 4?
Please i need your opinions, thank you
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Depends ... the note 4 has a fine hardware, but the software (espacially updates) sucks. The note 4 is the first smartphone I never would get again. Don't get me wrong - really, the hardware is awesome, but the software (even with alternative) is just so bad. I came from a google nexus 2 years back and will get a nexus again.
Also I guess the note 4 won't get any more software updates, after the note 5 and 7 are out by now. I would suggest you wait till google releases their new nexus / pixel phones and look at the 6p then. My wife has the nexus 6p and I'm quite jealous - all that what I wanted the note 4 to be if you dont calc in the missing pen. Even the cam is better then the note 4 IMHO. And it will drop in price then.
Oh, and for what I don't like about the software ... it's slow and hangs from time to time. Also some Apps from Samsung are just bad like SVoice ... google now is much better in comparsion. If you ever used a pure android, you know what I mean. Also the additional apps like FB are something I don't want. Then there's the problem with the knox triggering when rooting (could result in a warranty dismissal) and so on. Or some random restarts with stock firmware (right now stock DBT snapdragon). Or the really bad finger print sensor. The Pen stuff is awesome and the OCR works like magic. But I use it quite rarely so it doesn't outweigh the cons.
Also I couldn't find any alternative rom that was working for me (too much stuff in it, too slow, to instabile, you name it) or with cm the health sensors not working and some other samsung stuff.
And to be a bit more clear, after I had some other samsung devices in my hands ... never again a samsung for me personally. Only the best phones get updates for more then like 6 months and new features don't reach the phones ever. Also it seems like there are 20 software engineering camps withing samsung, all working against each other...
But really, this is my personal, strong subjective feeling about the phone - if you like it or not, depends on how it works for you. For me there are too many things that anger me, mostly small things like I mentioned above. Might be it's different for you. Read some more reviews on amazon, even the bad ones.
You could set your priorities and then decide, OP.
Hardware: Note 4 is still decent, but much newer chipset and better chipset are out there.
Software: As far as TouchWiz goes, no comment there. But with a little bit of tweaking (by choosing performance over battery) you could the nice enough performance. But never to the level of HTC 10 and OnePlus 3. Read Anand's review of Note 7 and see the section where they compared the frame rates with HTC 10. TouchWiz lags mate, its as simple as that.
Camera + Display: Display is excellent, and camera is decent enough too.
S Pen: No competition there, again.
Build: Note 4 is the very LAST phone in Samsung's lineup where Samsung used practical materials to come up with a mobile phone. Now all of them are jewellery.
Price: Like I said in my previous comment, if you could get it at good price, which is somewhere around 25-30% lower than OnePlus 3's then "maybe" you could get it.
The note 4 is still a great device I still have my tmo 910t device i just ordered the 910c for exynos which is a little snappier than the snapdragon all the devices in my sig. i still own and use but for a few. I haven't added another note 5c and s6 edge plus to my sig yet. But the note 4 will keep up with those other devices for the age. if you want a loud ringing phone note 4 is it.. The note 5 isnt as loud as the note 4 or the note 3 for that matter..
I currently have a Note 4 on the Verizon network.. Plus it is snapper than most, plus it can handle anything I throw at it app wise.. Never over heats or crahses.. The Note 5 and seven both have none removal batteries, and that is a draw back for me.. Plus it still has volte, and the newer ones do not.. I also have the Droid Turbo on Verizon.. What I do not like, is before I installed a custom rom, the battery would drain, and constantly needed to be charge.. Plus it would over heat a lot and freeze.. I would consider another Note 4 if I needed one.. But when the Note 4 is payed off, I plan on getting any Samsung device or another brand all together.. It will depend on price, and development..