Not a great looking review for the Elephone P9000 USB C type by the well respected Benson Leung
on Google+ as part of their ongoing trawl through the dodgy cables being sold as safe. (See previous https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/s0Inv)
Here Benson is suggesting that there are potential risks with using the USB Type C cable supplied with the Elephone P9000.
Disclaimer : though I am linking to a brand new Type-C phone this is NOT a phone review. As I mentioned previously, I do not review phones. Instead, this is an accessory warning, for the cable that ships with that phone.
One of my colleagues recently bought a brand new P9000 from +Elephone Mobile. It came with a USB A-to-C cable and he was curious if it was a good cable, so he brought it to me.
My testing shows that this cable violates the #USB #TypeC specification. It uses a 10kΩ resistor where it should have used a 56kΩ resistor as mandated by the USB Type-C Specification.
This cable is potentially dangerous, as when combined with a Type-C device that can fast charge, it may damage Type-A chargers, hubs, or PC USB ports that are not designed for the current draw from new USB Type-C devices.
Please see my FAQ for more info :
https://plus.google.com/+BensonLeung/posts/HakwCMmd346
+Elephone Mobile, please immediately stop bundling these cables, and let your customers know to be very careful with the A-to-C cable that ships with this device.
By the way, this all may be very familiar to other users, because another phone manufacturer from China, +OnePlus, shipped a bad cable with their phone last year as well.
http://www.elephonestore.com/elephone-p9000-deca-core-4g-phone.html
As you can see there also may be an issue with the charger.
I bought some Anker USB C adaptors for now (quite cheap and work) but will raise this on the ELEPHONE forums.
Anybody else had issues?
Andy
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Not a great looking review for the Elephone P9000 USB C type by the well respected Benson Leung
on Google+ as part of their ongoing trawl through the dodgy cables being sold as safe. (See previous https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/s0Inv)
Here Benson is suggesting that there are potential risks with using the USB Type C cable supplied with the Elephone P9000.
Disclaimer : though I am linking to a brand new Type-C phone this is NOT a phone review. As I mentioned previously, I do not review phones. Instead, this is an accessory warning, for the cable that ships with that phone.
One of my colleagues recently bought a brand new P9000 from +Elephone Mobile. It came with a USB A-to-C cable and he was curious if it was a good cable, so he brought it to me.
My testing shows that this cable violates the #USB #TypeC specification. It uses a 10kΩ resistor where it should have used a 56kΩ resistor as mandated by the USB Type-C Specification.
This cable is potentially dangerous, as when combined with a Type-C device that can fast charge, it may damage Type-A chargers, hubs, or PC USB ports that are not designed for the current draw from new USB Type-C devices.
Please see my FAQ for more info :
https://plus.google.com/+BensonLeung/posts/HakwCMmd346
+Elephone Mobile, please immediately stop bundling these cables, and let your customers know to be very careful with the A-to-C cable that ships with this device.
By the way, this all may be very familiar to other users, because another phone manufacturer from China, +OnePlus, shipped a bad cable with their phone last year as well.
http://www.elephonestore.com/elephone-p9000-deca-core-4g-phone.html
As you can see there also may be an issue with the charger.
I bought some Anker USB C adaptors for now (quite cheap and work) but will raise this on the ELEPHONE forums.
Anybody else had issues?
Andy
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Oh dear! Thanks for raising awareness. I was going to buy the fast charger anyway - this will speed that decision up!
good to know. im waiting for some usb c cables that should be benson approved. Tronsmart 2pack.
so, is the cable bad to use with qualcomm 2\3 chargers?
It looks bad with everything. Shame really as it seems to work but judging from the research carried out it looks really dodgy. Elephone need to rethink this.
How do you know if you have a bad cable?
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Well the risk is from the notes....damage to charger, damage to phone, fire you name it
Check out this
http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/4/10916264/usb-c-russian-roulette-power-cords
ok, will be using the wireless charger until the tronsmart cables arrives
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ok, will be using the wireless charger until the tronsmart cables arrives
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My bundled elephone cable didn't connect to the phone properly, the metal shroud covered part of the connector so it couldn't seat home fully. I had to slide the metal back, after heating it, to get the phone to charge. Couldn't get the PC to connect to the phone at all! I was very worried that the phone was faulty when I first got it, and was hoping that the cable was the problem.
I've since bought an "elephas" brand qi wireless charger and that's great! A well made piece of kit that doubles as a nightstand. It runs on a standard microusb connector.
I also bought a braided type "C" cable for the PC, its a brand called KNIPS, it feels like a good quality cable heavy and fairly inflexible, though it tends to hold shape if bent. That works very well to charge, and to transfer data between the phone and the PC.
My next purchase will be a QI charger for the car - more when that arrives, later.
Hot battery?
If anybody suffers from a very hot battery (heißer Akku) while charging, you should consider to buy a correct USB C cable vor one of these little Anker adaptors (see thr reviews at the top).
Which cable?
Please could somone post the part number for a cable that I'd safe - anker or tronsmart. I'm not clear on the USB version for the p9000
Where can I buy a compitable charger? The one that came with the phone isn't compatible according to Checkr.
Any good quality with max. 2000mah MicroUsb adapter (I use at work an Samsung travel adapter one on both USB-Type C phones) with corresponding USB-Type C adapter is suitable to charge you're phone or directly an USB-Type C adapter.
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Last night I put my phone on the charger using the supplied wall plug and a USB cable I bought from Amazon (linked below). After a few minutes there was a spark and a loud bang with a burning smell from the socket. I have now tried to charge the phone with the actual cable supplied by Elephone and a different wall plug but the phone no longer charges. It still works though as the battery isnt yet dead. I plan on returning it to Amazon with the hope of getting a new one. This time around getting an Anker wall plug and USB cable to hopefully avoid these problems in the future.
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Any MicroUsb adapter (I use at work an Samsung travel adapter one on both USB-Type C phones) with corresponding USB-Type C adapter is suitable to charge you're phone or directly USB-Type C adapter.
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Any microusb to type c adapter is safe?
Do you have any further discussion to support that statement? I would have assumed that cheap adapters can be just as dangerous as cheap cables.
A normal MicroUsb Charger not have more than 2000mah power so an adapter from MicroUsb to Usb tip C will not be a problem to charge the Usb C phone only will take more time depending on chargers power. From Usb C charger to MicroUSB I DO NOT RECOMMEND!
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Last night I put my phone on the charger using the supplied wall plug and a USB cable I bought from Amazon (linked below). After a few minutes there was a spark and a loud bang with a burning smell from the socket. I have now tried to charge the phone with the actual cable supplied by Elephone and a different wall plug but the phone no longer charges. It still works though as the battery isnt yet dead. I plan on returning it to Amazon with the hope of getting a new one. This time around getting an Anker wall plug and USB cable to hopefully avoid these problems in the future.
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Bad charger Quality (high voltage or else) or problems with sockets (dust or water in sockets from wear in pockets) or bad cable. I used an original Samsung charger with 500mah power and my cheapest MicroUSB to USB-Type C adapter and never had problems with it.
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Could someone recommend any good supplier of USB to microUSB cable that can handle 2 amps of charging the note 2? Other than the cable I got from Samsung, all my cable charge super slow my note 2 (from the original charger).
Thanks
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interested in this one too! also, a 6ft cable if available.
TIA
I'd be interested, also!
I purchased one of those 6 foot cable extensions and just plugged the stock cable into it and the extension portion into the stock charger. Works like charm.
Sent from the best phone on the planet, Apple take Note............
My girlfriends Kindle usb cable took a dive so i went on search for replacement coming across -
http://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Kindle-Micro-Cable-Keyboard/dp/B006BGZJJ4/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
A buyer remarked he was using on his GS3 so I did some research on it.
Its 2.0 capable and built to carry charge are device requires giving me the feel of perfect replacement .
I ordered 2 of them will be receiving on Wednesday .
are you saying that the other micro usb cable wont work
ive got this nokia micro usb cable ca-101 and it works with the iluv triple usb charger which has got one port as fast port which is 2 amp one
any comments
boxer29 said:
are you saying that the other micro usb cable wont work
ive got this nokia micro usb cable ca-101 and it works with the iluv triple usb charger which has got one port as fast port which is 2 amp one
any comments
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No no not saying they wont work....its the performance aspects of cables.
kindle cable contained in link is 5-6ft long , allows usb sync , built for 2amp current flow and user reviews are solid which = Good quality.
A little explanation on why I'm buying new cable,
My stock is defective micro connection wasn't sure easily falling out of device.
I took it to ATT service center showed them what was up and they ordered replacement cables that sucked.
1st Rcable was too short -Samsung was only 3ft long.
2nd Rcable didn't sync to pc - Off the wall brand 6 ft long.
From that point I broke out utility knife modified stock cable cutting some plastic off sleeve on micro end.
Connections now sure but cable looks beat up so replacement was needed.
Well I received my Amazon Kindle replacement cable today
Kindle Cable is of good quality , connections are firm much better then stock oem that came with device.
I highly recommend it.
hetzbh said:
Could someone recommend any good supplier of USB to microUSB cable that can handle 2 amps of charging the note 2? Other than the cable I got from Samsung, all my cable charge super slow my note 2 (from the original charger).
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Yes, from my previous post:
I've struggled with a variety of the longer, non-OEM micro USB cables - the Amazon Basics, cables from Monoprice, etc. I had problems with all of them, either not providing enough current, or just flaking out within a short time. At one point I thought my phone (EVO 4G) had a problem with the micro USB jack (it didn't). Then one day I found a great cable on Amazon:
Search Amazon "Mediabridge - USB 2.0 A-Male to Micro-B Cable (6 Feet)"
I've been using this cable for several years now, and it has proven to be very durable (I've run over it with my office chair a number of times), and has always provided the full current of the charger I am using with no issues at all. I purchased another one recently to use in another location, and the quality is the same. I've been using these cables with all of my phones, and currently with the Note II.
I'm using this one from Monoprice, with the standard OEM Samsung wall / desk charger that came with the Note II:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10303&cs_id=1030307&p_id=5458&seq=1&format=2
It's six feet long, and is a pretty thick cable. I used it today for the first time to charge my new Note II. Coupled with the standard Samsung charger, it charged my Note II from 12 % to 100% in two hours, thirty one minutes -- and that included charging during two incoming phone calls that each lasted about 10 minutes.
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I'm using this one from Monoprice, with the standard OEM Samsung wall / desk charger that came with the Note II:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10303&cs_id=1030307&p_id=5458&seq=1&format=2
It's six feet long, and is a pretty thick cable. I used it today for the first time to charge my new Note II. Coupled with the standard Samsung charger, it charged my Note II from 12 % to 100% in two hours, thirty one minutes -- and that included charging during two incoming phone calls that each lasted about 10 minutes.
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If my calculations are correct that's putting about 1120 Ma per hour into your phone.
I wonder if it would charge that fast on usb and have data too?
I also wonder how that compares to the stock USB cable that came with our charger.
JosephL said:
If my calculations are correct that's putting about 1120 Ma per hour into your phone.
I wonder if it would charge that fast on usb and have data too?
I also wonder how that compares to the stock USB cable that came with our charger.
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Good questions. I was wondering the same things, particularly as the Monoprice cable is double the length of the stock one. At some point, I'll try both charging from my laptop with the Monoprice cable, and switching out and using the stock USB cable, for comparison purposes. My problem (well, not REALLY a problem at all!) is that my battery seems to be lasting around 27 hours, so it may be a while before I can get around to doing this!
Asquared said:
Good questions. I was wondering the same things, particularly as the Monoprice cable is double the length of the stock one. At some point, I'll try both charging from my laptop with the Monoprice cable, and switching out and using the stock USB cable, for comparison purposes. My problem (well, not REALLY a problem at all!) is that my battery seems to be lasting around 27 hours, so it may be a while before I can get around to doing this!
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My stock usb cable that came with my Samsung charger shows charging on USB, even though it's plugged into the wall.
Conversely, put my note on my 2 amp car charger and the note says charging on AC.
Something is not right with the stock setup. Sure it charges but it should read charging on AC if it's on AC.
Just did a test. Found a usb cable from another device and plugged that into the Samsung stock charger. Now it reads "charging on AC."
I used that same cable and USB on my desktop. My note said charging on USB.
I think the cable was the bottle neck on the charger and the usb port on the desktop is not putting out enough power to make the Note believe its on AC.
USB is USB as far as our desktop/ Note goes, but if you are using AC, then the cable becomes more important if you want the fastest charge. What's apparent is we didn't get a real charging cable with our Note II. .
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Just did a test. Found a usb cable from another device and plugged that into the Samsung stock charger. Now it reads "charging on AC."
I used that same cable and USB on my desktop. My note said charging on USB.
I think the cable was the bottle neck on the charger and the usb port on the desktop is not putting out enough power to make the Note believe its on AC.
USB is USB as far as our desktop/ Note goes, but if you are using AC, then the cable becomes more important if you want the fastest charge. What's apparent is we didn't get a real charging cable with our Note II. .
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So far, I haven't had any problems with my stock Samsung USB cable. You can always try the Monoprice cable I mentioned in a prior post. Also, I've read on these boards that it sometimes helps to try different USB ports on your computer, and that it can actually make a difference in charging.
Interesting topic I have been wondering about myself. The cable I got with my Note 2 is not good. The connector, when attached, is easy to move aside, does not hold in place and the sad thing is, it is original manufacturer cable.
I used several different cables and found out that the problem is the height (length) of the micro USB connector, which protrudes from the connector's plastic cover. The other thing I found is that standard Samsung cable, delivered with the phone is few fractions of millimeter shorter than any other cable I compared it to, and suffers from it.
Amazon basics cable I ordered recently might have the connector metal only barely longer, but holds much better (in fact it fits tightly and feels very well fixed in the socket). Contrary to some, I have not observed any problem when charging the phone with this cable and original charger. Maybe the newer cables are already adapted to the chargers as well.
The fact that the norm is not always the norm is also proved by original Samsung MHL adapter (with HDMI out). This has "micro USB" connector (here it is 11 pin though) which is roughly 1-2 mm longer than the one on supplied charger cable. This one gets "all way down" into the hole and still does not even touch the case with its plastic part (there might be ~ 1mm space between the plastic of connector and Note 2 case).
Now, when I look at potential micro USB cable for Note 2 I always check the length of micro USB metal part. It must be longer than original cable from Samsung, otherwise it will have flimsy connection.
Length
I try and use a shorter cable as the longer they get the more power you loose. I use a 6" inch usb A to B Micro. I love this cable because my phone can sit right next to my computer and its getting the max power.
i get them at cableforge.com
use this coupon it always works for me G5WJXH4F22MN
cheers.
Wanted to do a shoutout to TechMatte Inc for giving me a free sample unit of these micro usb to usb C adapters. I got them in exchange for my unbiased review. So:
First: This is a two pack for a pretty reasonable price. Right now, it's $5 a piece. Not bad.
Second: Quality: These are plastic, but very functional. I have a multitude of micro USB cables from previous phones, and it's nice to be able to have backups laying around, instead of having to buy a bunch of USB C cables now. I leave the adapter plugged into the micro usb cable, and plug the adapter into the phone. Pretty handy at making the old cables still work.
Caveats: Size. This is a plus and a minus-- they would be very easy to lose. Also, the plastic feel. These work very well, but I can also see them starting to fall apart with heavy daily use. Not sure, but it looks like they wouldn't survive abuse.
Thanks, Techmatte, for the sample, and I would recommend these adapters!
Can you tell us what chargers you've used this with? Any of the Anker IQ chargers at all? I was looking at these (or similar items) to reuse the Micro USB chargers I have everywhere. Does the phone report that it's plugged into AC (in the Battery info screen), and does it report "Charging" or "Charging Slowly" if you look at the lock screen?
I'd be concerned about using an adapter like this since it could be potentially placing more stress on the phone's USB-C female connector than it was designed to handle. I'd much rather see a short (say 3" or so) Micro USB F to USB-C M adapter cable, so the stress gets relieved a bit by the cable.
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Can you tell us what chargers you've used this with? Any of the Anker IQ chargers at all? I was looking at these (or similar items) to reuse the Micro USB chargers I have everywhere. Does the phone report that it's plugged into AC (in the Battery info screen), and does it report "Charging" or "Charging Slowly" if you look at the lock screen?
I'd be concerned about using an adapter like this since it could be potentially placing more stress on the phone's USB-C female connector than it was designed to handle. I'd much rather see a short (say 3" or so) Micro USB F to USB-C M adapter cable, so the stress gets relieved a bit by the cable.
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I bought this four pack a while ago, and just use them around the house/ office. It reports Charging when plugged in.
Hi,
Do they work as data/sync with the computer?
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Hi,
Do they work as data/sync with the computer?
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Yes.
Hey I just got these today! They are small and go charge at a decently fast pace even though it only says "charging". I like that it comes in packs of 2 so I can have one in my car and one at home.
It's only been a day, but so far I approve of these.
got this one on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/40100033237...49&var=670529660301&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
$1.49 each and works great. Shipping took 9 days from China
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got this one on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/40100033237...49&var=670529660301&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
$1.49 each and works great. Shipping took 9 days from China
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Nice, does it fast charge or charge at a good speed?
buru898 said:
Nice, does it fast charge or charge at a good speed?
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I just tested using 3 configurations:
Stock LG charger and Cable 5V3A:
"Charging Rapidly" at +2621mA/h
Anker 5V2.4A charger and USB-A to C cable:
"Charging Rapidly" at +1285mA/h
Anker 5V2.4A charger and USB-A to Micro USB cable with USB C adapter:
"Charging" at +1225mA/h
Any thoughts on what the software engineer from Google has to say about the adapter and what potential impact it may have on our devices?
I'm a Software Engineer on the Chrome OS team at Google on the Chromebook Pixel and Pixel C teams.
I bought these two USB-C to Micro USB adapters from TechMatte and found they do not work properly with the Chromebook Pixel.
Upon closer inspection by our engineering team here, we have determined that this adapter is not correctly following the USB Type C specification.
The specification can be found here :
http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/usb_31_102015.zip
Specifically, these adapters do not charge the Chromebook Pixel 2015 because the adapters leave the C-C lines floating, where the specification requires a Rp pullup to Vbus to identify the cable as a legacy adapter or cable.
Please see the document named "USB Type-C Specification Release 1.1.pdf"
section 4.5.3.2.4 for a description of why the Rp pullup is necessary.
Please also see Section 4.11 and the following note :
1. For Rp when implemented in the USB Type-C plug on a USB Type-C to USB 3.1 Standard-A Cable
Assembly, a USB Type-C to USB 2.0 Standard-A Cable Assembly, a USB Type-C to USB 2.0 Micro-B
Receptacle Adapter Assembly or a USB Type-C captive cable connected to a USB host, a value of 56 k'
± 5% shall be used, in order to provide tolerance to IR drop on V BUS and GND in the cable assembly.
In other words, since you are creating a USB Type-C plug to a USB 2.0 Micro-B receptacle assembly, you must use a resistor of value 56k' as a pullup to Vbus. This cable does not do this.
Please let me know if there is any more information I can provide about why these adapters are problematic.
If you are a consumer looking for a cable that is compatible with Pixel, do not use this one.
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I wanted to start a thread directly related to cables that are confirmed "charging rapidly." There are a handful of posts around here that talk about usb A to C but I had a hard time finding cables that actually brought the message up on my phone. Lastly before I start the list I wanted to mention that I understand the Nexus 5X I usb 2.0 only but just due to a future proofing mentality I prefer 3.0 cables.
I will update this thread accordingly as more people post results of cables that do support fast charging. During the testing make sure you are using a charger that supports high amperage output. I am using the following charger that supports 3.0 amp output per port.
Cables Confirmed Charging Rapidly
USB Type C To USB Type A Cable, TechMatte® USB 3.0 (USB 3.1 Gen 1) Type C (USB-C) Charging Data Sync Cable - Does not follow usb spec. [edit] as of 11/18 customers that have purchased this cable can request a new-to-spec cable from Techmatte and they will ship a new one. I will review the new unit when it comes in.
PECHAM B32 USB 3.1 Type C Male to Type A USB 3.0 Male Cable - usb spec. unconfirmed
Google - USB Type-C to USB Standard-A Plug Cable - Does follow usb spec. (only usb 2.0)
USB Type C Cable, CHOETECH 3.3ft - Does not follow usb spec. (only usb 2.0)
Cables Confirmed Not Charging Rapidly
BuyCheapCables® 6Ft. USB 3.1 Type-C Male to Standard Type-A Male - usb spec. unconfirmed
Juiced Systems USB-C (USB Type-C) to USB 3.0 - Does not follow usb spec.
USB 3.1 Type C Cable, JOTO USB-C 3.1 Type-C Male to Standard USB 3.0 Type A Male Charging Cable - Does not follow usb spec.
Type C, iOrange-E™ 6.6 Ft (2M) Braided Cable with Reversible Connector - Does follow usb spec. (only usb 2.0)
OnePlus Type-C Cable - Does not follow usb spec. (only usb 2.0)
Hi, I read a lot of fast charging cables...but did not noticed those..where is the techmatte confirmed? Tnx
fosser2 said:
I wanted to start a thread directly related to cables that are confirmed "charging rapidly." There are a handful of posts around here that talk about usb A to C but I had a hard time finding cables that actually brought the message up on my phone. Lastly before I start the list I wanted to mention that I understand the Nexus 5X I usb 2.0 only but just due to a future proofing mentality I prefer 3.0 cables.
I will update this thread accordingly as more people post results of cables that do support fast charging. During the testing make sure you are using a charger that supports high amperage output. I am using the following charger that supports 3.0 amp output per port.
Cables Confirmed Charging Rapidly
USB Type C To USB Type A Cable, TechMatte® USB 3.0 (USB 3.1 Gen 1) Type C (USB-C) Charging Data Sync Cable
Cables Confirmed Not Charging Rapidly
BuyCheapCables® 6Ft. USB 3.1 Type-C Male to Standard Type-A Male
Juiced Systems USB-C (USB Type-C) to USB 3.0
USB 3.1 Type C Cable, JOTO USB-C 3.1 Type-C Male to Standard USB 3.0 Type A Male Charging Cable
Type C, iOrange-E™ 6.6 Ft (2M) Braided Cable with Reversible Connector
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But beware some of those "fast charging USB A to C cable are not to spec according to Google engineer
Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk
roxtedy169 said:
Hi, I read a lot of fast charging cables...but did not noticed those..where is the techmatte confirmed? Tnx
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I can confirm the techmatte cable is showing fast charging. I cannot confirm if the cable is actually to spec.
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But beware some of those "fast charging USB A to C cable are not to spec according to Google engineer
Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk
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I totally understand. I have been reading all of the reviews that he has been posting. I will update the OP with approved cables later today if possible.
FWIW, the Juiced Systems cable shows 'Charging Rapidly' for me...
FWIW, https://store.google.com/product/usb_type_c_to_usb_standard_a_plug_cable is back in stock.
iOrange-E cable shows rapid charge for me. Cost of cable has gone way up though though since I picked up mine. Probably not worth it.
I really hope this thread continues and gets more updates
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FWIW, the Juiced Systems cable shows 'Charging Rapidly' for me...
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Could you link the cord that you bought? If it is the same one that is in the OP please link the charger you are using.
BinkXDA said:
FWIW, https://store.google.com/product/usb_type_c_to_usb_standard_a_plug_cable is back in stock.
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Thank you, I have ordered this cable. I will review when it comes in.
elherr said:
iOrange-E cable shows rapid charge for me. Cost of cable has gone way up though though since I picked up mine. Probably not worth it.
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Interesting... I know for sure this cable did not show rapid charging on (2) Nexus 5X's that I tried it on. I was using a 3A charger. Are you sure it is the same one that is posted in the OP?
Tank87 said:
I really hope this thread continues and gets more updates
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I will do my best to keep it updated.
Here is the link to the Juiced cable I bought:
Juiced Systems USB-C
The charger is an iClever charger, don't have any details on it...
I have a Pecham branded A to C cable bought from Amazon for £6.59 so approx $10. Its well made, braided with metal housings for the connectors. Charging with this one shows Charging rapidly on the lockscreen.
I also have an A to C cable direct from the Google store £10 ($15) Also good quality but slimmer and much more flexible than the Pecham.
I only see Charging on the lockscreen using this one.
Despite the differences the Ampere app indicates a charge rate of Approx 1700mAH for both cables!
For these tests I used an Anker Powercore 20100 battery pack and an Anker 40W 5 port mains charger. charge rates were identical.
banksc said:
Here is the link to the Juiced cable I bought:
Juiced Systems USB-C
The charger is an iClever charger, don't have any details on it...
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It is interesting that you were able to get this cable to register as charging rapidly. It is the exact same cable that I bought and returned and with a 3A charger it did not register as charging rapidly on my phone. For right now I will leave this cable in the category that it is in until further confirmation. I wonder if it is a charger specific thing?
basill said:
I have a Pecham branded A to C cable bought from Amazon for £6.59 so approx $10. Its well made, braided with metal housings for the connectors. Charging with this one shows Charging rapidly on the lockscreen.
I also have an A to C cable direct from the Google store £10 ($15) Also good quality but slimmer and much more flexible than the Pecham.
I only see Charging on the lockscreen using this one.
Despite the differences the Ampere app indicates a charge rate of Approx 1700mAH for both cables!
For these tests I used an Anker Powercore 20100 battery pack and an Anker 40W 5 port mains charger. charge rates were identical.
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I have added the Pecham cable to the OP. Thanks for the confirmation. I am getting the Google OEM cable A - C tomorrow. I will see if I can reproduce the results that you got with the OEM cable.
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Interesting... I know for sure this cable did not show rapid charging on (2) Nexus 5X's that I tried it on. I was using a 3A charger. Are you sure it is the same one that is posted in the OP?
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Cable:
iOrange-E 6.6ft cable
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010VFFU1W
Charger I am using:
Anker 3 port 6 amp
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00T9D7RSM
My 5X shows "Charging rapidly" on the lock screen right now. It does not show that every time I plug it in -- but then again, neither does the stock charger.
elherr said:
Cable:
iOrange-E 6.6ft cable
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010VFFU1W
Charger I am using:
Anker 3 port 6 amp
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00T9D7RSM
My 5X shows "Charging rapidly" on the lock screen right now. It does not show that every time I plug it in -- but then again, neither does the stock charger.
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Up until tonight I didn't realize that charging rapidly does not show every time. I will dig into this further this week. I will also be adding the official OEM A to C cable from Google to the list.
I'm confused, I thought USB A to C can only suppose 2.4A max
You're using a charging brick that uses 3A output, does that mean .6A does not get used?
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Ironically "fast charging cables" are just out-of-specification cables, so if you want them just pay $1 for cables on eBay.
sturmeh said:
Ironically "fast charging cables" are just out-of-specification cables, so if you want them just pay $1 for cables on eBay.
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The OEM Google cable display's fast charging and that is not out of spec. Really the purpose of this thread is to find cables that are actually following the USB spec and allowing the message "charging rapidly" to display on your phone. I understand that the max a cable that is to spec. will put out is 2.4A.
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The OEM Google cable display's fast charging and that is not out of spec. Really the purpose of this thread is to find cables that are actually following the USB spec and allowing the message "charging rapidly" to display on your phone. I understand that the max a cable that is to spec. will put out is 2.4A.
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The OEM Google cable (USB-A to USB-C) does not fast charge when you plug it into a non-fast charging compatible source (such as a PC's USB ports).
Any USB-C cable should be capable of fast charging when plugged into an adapter rated for 3A current draw.
Cables that are not to spec will allow the phone to "charge rapidly" when it should not be charging rapidly.
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The OEM Google cable display's fast charging and that is not out of spec. Really the purpose of this thread is to find cables that are actually following the USB spec and allowing the message "charging rapidly" to display on your phone. I understand that the max a cable that is to spec. will put out is 2.4A.
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It displays fast charging because C -> C allows for more amps to be drawn
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It displays fast charging because C -> C allows for more amps to be drawn
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I agree with that, but there are certain cables that still follow the A -> C spec and allow "charging rapidly" when paired with the proper charger. I know they won't be capable of the full 2.8A - 3.0A but they can allow a max of 2.4A, and that's something that is ok with me.
I received my Tronsmart quick charging car charger and wanted to do a quick review on it. What you get in the box is the car charger with the permanently attached usb type c cable and an extra micro usb cable to go in the extra usb port. This in fact rapidly charges my Nexus 5x. I also connected my galaxy S6 at the same time with the included micro usb cable and it was quick charging as well. The actual charger is very compact making it easy to stow away after use.
The Pros
Rapid car charging type c
Included micro usb cable to use with the extra qualcomm quick charging port
small foot print
18 month warranty
easily pull the charger out of the phone with the long plastic housing (see pic below) and not damaging the cord
feels snug when connecting charger with a nice clicking sound
Cost is just $19.99 Free shipping with Amazon Prime
The Cons
Will not charge Google pixel (They state this on amazon)
The plastic housing is a little to big so I'm going to have to modify my Ringke case to fit properly
Buy it on Amazon here
http://www.amazon.com/Tronsmart-Tec...qid=1446473093&sr=8-1&keywords=type+c+charger
TK Bay of XDA also has a video review on youtube here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMGqp_xT7wA
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The test with the Pixel may still relate to usage with any 5v 3a device. So fair warning regarding long term usage and possibly having the charger brownout.
Tronsmart charger is rated at 5V 2.4A, but CC termination is wired up for 5V 3A. Browns out charging Chromebook Pixel
By Benson Leung on November 12, 2015
Verified Purchase
Hi, Benson again reviewing USB Type-C accessories. After many requests, I am finally reviewing the Tronsmart 36W 2 Port Car charger.
The Tronsmart 2 port car charger has one green USB Type-A port on top, and then a USB Type-C captive cable, meaning it has a Type-C plug on one end, and the other end cannot be removed from the charger.
For this review, I am going to focus closely on the Type-C captive cable. For my analysis I am using my Chromebook Pixel 2015 and my USB PD Sniffer device (search chromium.org for twinkie), also available here : Plugable USB 3.1 Type-C (USB-C) Power Delivery Sniffer
According to the USB PD sniffer, the CC line on the charger connected via the captive cable is pulled up to Vbus using a 10kΩ resistor. According to the USB Type C specification Section 4.11.1, this indicates to the device being charged that this power source is capable of supplying 5V 3A.
However, please look carefully at the rating text on the side of the charger. I have attached a picture of it. It says "Output(each port): DC 5V/2.4A"
This means that the tronsmart charger is using the incorrect CC pullup, as the charger itself is not rated at 3A.
When I plugged in my somewhat discharged Chromebook Pixel 2015, the Pixel would not charge (my twinkie current meter measured 0mA current), and it appeared that the charger itself had browned out. The Chromebook Pixel made a high pitched squealing sound until I disconnected it from the charger.
As an experiment, I also tried connecting Pixel to the Tronsmart's OTHER usb port using a compliant (56kΩ terminated) USB A-C cable. Using the other port, the Pixel charged properly.
In conclusion, this charger is using the wrong CC termination given its rating of only being able to handle 5V 2.4A out of each port. Fast charging Type-C devices like the Chromebook Pixel may try to pull 3.0A out of the captive cable, improperly browning out the charger.
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minnemike said:
The test with the Pixel may still relate to usage with any 5v 3a device. So fair warning regarding long term usage and possibly having the charger brownout.
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It would have been nice if Benson would have directly addressed the Nexus 5x and 6p. Here is part of the response from Tronsmart which can be found in the comments under his review.
"Our charger engineer did lots of researches and considered every detail of this product after that. Having tested the charger with Nexus 6P, eventually we found, even this product is not perfect but it is the best car charging solution so far.This is also the reason why the charger ranked top on the Type C charger on amazon.com and we got plenty of 4 or 5 stars positive reviews. The Type C charger got over-current protection, so it won`t hurt the mobile phone or the car even if some extremely circumstances happened. Moreover, the charger also comes with over-charged, short-circuit, over-heat and over-voltage protection which can guarantee its safety. Customers can enjoy our 18 months warranty if the worst thing happens , supposing the charger does not work anymore."
oldpreowner said:
It would have been nice if Benson would have directly addressed the Nexus 5x and 6p. Here is part of the response from Tronsmart which can be found in the comments under his review.
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This only shows that their engineers don't know what they are doing.
I would not trust that company anymore.
Just got one of these as well. Rapid charge and the extra USB port has made everyone happy on car rides.
Got this, the end on mine is already bending some, and I'm not really forcing it. Kind of bummed.
spinkick said:
Got this, the end on mine is already bending some, and I'm not really forcing it. Kind of bummed.
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Didn't they say it comes with a warranty?
Not that I could see.
Lockedown said:
Didn't they say it comes with a warranty?
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Yes, the warranty is 18 months.
The one I bought from Amazon.in->
http://www.amazon.in/Baseus-passed-...scsubtag=d1ee5b2c-e3c5-4567-8fa3-e99d4138e818
I bought 3 and haven't had any issues. Details in another thread.
I bought one cable from a chinese dealer on ebay for 1€. Other third party cables starting from ~4€ in Germany. It's working perfectly, no need to spend more money.
People are commenting here that the cheap cables are working, but the question is "is it safe to use".
here is a list with proven safe to use usb cables:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-3/accessories/safe-usb-c-compliant-cables-adapters-t3401820
these are all tested because there is a problem in cheap USB-C 3.0 cables, however the OP3 doesn't have usb 3.0.
I'd recommend to buy a cable/adapter from the list, its maybe $5 more expensive but you are sure you are safe.
What else is the issue than giving too much power to the phone? I tested my cables and charging limit is good, within charger's limits (2A charger, phone gets 1,4-1,6A).
I only buy the ones that Benson Leung recommends. he is a google employee who fried a pixel c with a bad cheap cable, and since that happened, he reviews on amazon and provides a pass or fail based on the correct implementation of USB C protocol within the cable/adapter/whatnot. https://plus.google.com/+BensonLeung
I got some Monoprice cables in and they charge fairly fast still even from the computer USB. It seems to stop charging about 85% but I'm good with that as this is for work and the car anyway.
but what is the definition of unsafe USB C cable?
A fake charger can be dangerous and they are weak anyway but a fake USB C, what's the risk?
I mean to cut the cost they could use low gauge wire, meaning the cable have high electrical resistance.
But a high resistance mean a low charging power and charging a battery slowly is safer.
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but what is the definition of unsafe USB C cable?
A fake charger can be dangerous and they are weak anyway but a fake USB C, what's the risk?
I mean to cut the cost they could use low gauge wire, meaning the cable have high electrical resistance.
But a high resistance mean a low charging power and charging a battery slowly is safer.
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using the wrong spec for usb c cables (regardless of charging or not) can damage the port itself. Typically, if its an OTG, i dont think you will see the issue, but folks were using non-compliant cables with chargers and frying their devices.
I see, there is a controler in the cable head, unlike a normal usb cable. It make sense as this norm can allow usb C to usb C. For that new usb type, they copied apple...
I would say you shouldn't have a problems with any cable, just don't buy bad cheap ones.
Its no problem use cheap cable... Problem is use cheap cable and DASH charger. Because cheap cable is not built on such a stream. Threatens to burn cable.
used almost one month cable from ali with car charger, no problems, only charges a little bit slower. no heating, reboot and so on.
kordiak said:
Its no problem use cheap cable... Problem is use cheap cable and DASH charger. Because cheap cable is not built on such a stream. Threatens to burn cable.
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I tried my cables with dash charger and it charges the phone with normal speed, not dash.
jsomby said:
I tried my cables with dash charger and it charges the phone with normal speed, not dash.
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OP3 has about protection switch to prevent entry into the DASH because unoriginal cable might caught fire.