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OK, so far we have some info on the D820 (via the FCC) and D821 (via the leaked service manual).
D820: LTE bands 2/4/5/17/25/26/41
D821: LTE B1, B3, B5, B7, B8, B20
D821 looks like a good match for European, African and most Asian LTE bands, and D820 looks like a match for American & South American LTE bands. China does not appear to be well covered by either model, so there may be a third model if the Nexus 5 is released there.
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UK:
D820: No carriers
D821: EE (3, 7, 20) 3, (3, 20), O2 (20), Vodafone (7, 20)
US:
D820: Sprint (25, 26, 41), AT&T (2, 4, 5, 17), T-Mobile (4)
D821: No carriers
Philippines
D820: Smart Communication (5)
D821: Smart Communication (1, 3, 5)
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Please post below with which model is supported by which carriers in your country, and I'll add it to the post.
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Two models, two spec revisions (with inexplicably lost bands), or the same model with bands 'locked off' for different region (is there a regulatory precedent for this, e.g. WiFi channel 14)? My guess is that the hardware is the same and the bands are locked off somewhere in the firmware, but maybe someone familiar with the chipsets can chime in as to their capabilities?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
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Its possible that the bands are modem locked. ie with n4 lte band 4. We really won't be able to tell until we get our hands on one.
So officially now, no Verizon love at all.
Sprint supported. Hell yeah.
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bavarianblessed said:
So officially now, no Verizon love at all.
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Say it isn't so!
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Where is the official proof no Verizon support?
Sprint uses bands 25, 26, and 41 for U.S. version.
AT&T uses bands 4, and 17 on Nexus 5.
T-Mobile has just band 4 from the looks of it.
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Say it isn't so!
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Sudbury78 said:
Where is the official proof no Verizon support?
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Sorry, I shouldn't say official. It hasn't been announced but the bands listed above do not include Verizon's LTE network. Apparently it supports band 4 wich Verizon is supposed to roll out in the future but everyone else is supported in the US. Even US Cellular just no Verizon from the looks of it.
Ugh thanks. F Verizon. Haha
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So there is still a glimmer of hope haha, but knowing Verizon (angry Gnex owner here) and not carrying the Nexus 4, I would not be surprised if they don't support the N5.
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I don't know why they just don't do like the Nexus 7 2013 and just put the Verizon bands in there. Verizon won't be happy but with N7 owners, they were able to activate a SIM in another device, then put it in the N7 for service. They just couldn't activate the SIM in the N7.
Verizon is a pain. My GNex is feeling the pain of Verizon but still overall a great device with tons of dev support.
I do remember there being some issues with the GNex release about signal strength and had a technical support nightmare. Plus the problem of Google releasing CDMA source code in AOSP. Not sure how Sprint does it.
Even if Verizon LTE isn't supported now, would it still work for voice service (3G speeds)?
There is mention of the Radio having an adjustable tuner. Perhaps it can tune in to Verizon LTE unofficially.
Verizon uses LTE 13 currently but plans on expanding to 4.
Having Verizon LTE support is still moot if the CDMA voice fall back isn't there. This after all a phone and Verizon doesn't have vo/lte. This makes the the situation with the new N7 different.
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In my opinion D820 will also have "Band 3" support.
It's the most used band in the world. And it will be very stupid to sell a Nexus 7 2013 US edition with Band 3 support...and a Nexus 5 without it.
Since, the Nexus is a phone it's more required when travelling than an LTE tablet.
Also, people told me that the FFC doesn't need to approve that Band so we still have no info about this.
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Also, people told me that the FFC doesn't need to approve that Band so we still have no info about this.
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I've just dug in Google for a few minutes, and I can't find any info supporting this...the FCC seeks approval on all bands under its perview, to ensure there's no disruption to other frequencies. The fact its a 'world' band is immaterial for release in the US..it would still receive testing/verification.
I am a bit disappointed by the two models, would have preferred a single model that supports all the bands listed (don't know if that is technically possible yet). I travel a lot to the UK and it would have been nice to have LTE while there.
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In my opinion D820 will also have "Band 3" support.
It's the most used band in the world. And it will be very stupid to sell a Nexus 7 2013 US edition with Band 3 support...and a Nexus 5 without it.
Since, the Nexus is a phone it's more required when travelling than an LTE tablet.
Also, people told me that the FFC doesn't need to approve that Band so we still have no info about this.
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According to the leaked Service Manual, page 6 indicates DCS1800 (Band 3) is supported.
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According to the leaked Service Manual, page 6 indicates DCS1800 (Band 3) is supported.
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Mmm but the leaked manual is not only for D821?
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Mmm but the leaked manual is not only for D821?
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"LG-D821 : WCDMA(B1,B2,B4,B5,B8)(HSPA+42Mbps(cat24)/ HSUPA 5.8Mbps(cat6) + GSM850/GSM900/DCS/PCS (GPRS Class10/EDGE
Class10)+ FDD LTE (B1, B3, B5, B7, B8, B20) (DL:102Mpbs, UL:51.0Mbps, Max DL MIMO layers = 2, Release8(Cat3))"
I don't know how to make it any clearer..but this relies on a leaked manual.
Here's the wiki page for bands/frequencies:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-UTRA#Frequency_bands_and_channel_bandwidths
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"LG-D821 : WCDMA(B1,B2,B4,B5,B8)(HSPA+42Mbps(cat24)/ HSUPA 5.8Mbps(cat6) + GSM850/GSM900/DCS/PCS (GPRS Class10/EDGE
Class10)+ FDD LTE (B1, B3, B5, B7, B8, B20) (DL:102Mpbs, UL:51.0Mbps, Max DL MIMO layers = 2, Release8(Cat3))"
I don't know how to make it any clearer..but this relies on a leaked manual.
Here's the wiki page for bands/frequencies:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-UTRA#Frequency_bands_and_channel_bandwidths
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The contest wasn't that the D821 would not support band 3 (as you say, the manual clearly states it), but that the D820 would (the FCC filing made no mention of band 3 being among the supported LTE bands).
The FCC website is inaccessible for the moment due to American governmental sillyness, so it's not possible to see if the D820's details have been updated.
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The contest wasn't that the D821 would not support band 3 (as you say, the manual clearly states it), but that the D820 would (the FCC filing made no mention of band 3 being among the supported LTE bands).
The FCC website is inaccessible for the moment due to American governmental sillyness, so it's not possible to see if the D820's details have been updated.
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Good catch! Didn't see that...but for the 820, we presently have:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...ery-lte-802-11ac-wi-fi-and-wireless-charging/
Where can I buy a international note 5 for germany?
Thanks
seems its available in singapore, anyknows where it can be bought online
Yes, it is available in Singapore... I bought mine in a samsung-shop on saturday. Not sure about online ordering.
Maybe you can try here...
http://www.expansys.com.sg/mobile-phones/brand/samsung/
check ur PM
Does anyone know which Version Supports german language and celluar bands?
Hey, I have not looked at asian note 5 yet, I will do so soon.
For Europe, you need gsm and lte 3, 7, and 20 (1800, 2600, 800 MHz) [no26-800MHz # no20-800MHz! ...]
To use US phones for Europe, this is what i have come up with.
http://imgur.com/1yPhyFQ
I based that on what I found for SM-N920 A/V/P (AT&T, Verizon, Sprint), German/UK LTE network requirements, and the Galaxy S6 (SM-G920 A/V/P/F, F=Europe/Int). I guess the Note 5 is pretty much a S6 with larger screen and pen, so network capabilities should not differ too much between the S6 and the Note 5, hopefully.
I will get a AT&T device soon, hopefully only bootloader unlocked and just KNOX (don't care too much about warranty for US phone since I import it...). AT&T should work for most of Europe, or respectively for LTE 3, 7, and 20....
I see what I can find for the Asian Note 5 ('s) and msg back
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Haven't found much info on the SM-N920S / SM-N920K (Korea, Asia?), but based on the SM-G920S/K or Galaxy S6, versus the SM-G920F Europe, there are some minor differences, but I think these should work just fine in Europe as well... http://www.mobosdata.com/samsung-galaxy-s6-sm-g920f (k, s).
g/l
Ill also need to import one, since it wont come here to brazil...needs to be lte band 7...id like to buy it today if possible...
How you can use a Galaxy Note 5 from U.S in Europe? is the region block...
the at&t one, unlock via website, not straight forward potentially, but seems possible espc as non-customer - https://www.att.com/deviceunlock/
but what bothers me is this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note5/general/verizon-att-samsung-note-5-knox-root-t3183641 - i guess will hold off the note 5 at&t for now, same with verizon, and sprint might not have full lte capabilities.
i might get the surface phone lol (if i can get full access to registry and group policies and have some way of turning all the phoning home off)...
Man, why you speack about Note with carriers?
On eBay there are a lot model FACTORY UNLOCKED, are they good? they have the region block if i buy them and i use in Italy?
I have the singapore one.
And it works just fine here in the netherlands.
At my home I don't have 4G.
Outside there is no problem.
I think the singapore one misses the 800 band.
4G is working only in the big cities here for now with this note 5.
Later this year the phone company release another bands.
800Mhz is to 1800 and 2600MHz LTE - loosely compared - as 5GHz Wifi is to 2.4GHz -- higher transfer speeds at the higher frequencies but shorter range and less signal through obstancles, generally speaking.
Would explain why inside you would not get a great LTE signal, if the 800MHz band is missing.... imho
You are right.
But the seller told me the 800 is there.
And now I know there is not a 800.
But here in the netherlands the provider also uses the 1800,but only in the big cities.
That's why the phone picks up 4G when I am outside.
yh, most european countries use all 800, 1800, and 2600, depending on region/area/whatnot...
just saying, without 800 capability, and when you happen to have 800 mast outside your area, you might not get signal, especially inside... ofc you can still have lte via 1800 and 2600, provided you are close enough and have a mast nearby, more likely in the cities (lots of data over short ranges)
Still I am happy with the note 5.
I am not saying anything about that
Apart from the obvious things everyone knows about vs the Note 4, it's a great looking piece of kit!
Also, Seller MIGHT have said 800 is there, as in 800MHz B26, but what you'd need in Europe is 800MHz-B20...
I saw it on ebay.
It's 800 B26.
My mistake.
I don't bother.
I read about Samsung region block and we can't put a different SIM respect the SIM of the contry model. Don't you have problem?
Does anyone have an SM-N920I?
It probably has more / less bands than you think. What's posted online doesn't actually reflect much about the actual phone. Does anyone have an SM-N920I?
In your dialer could you please type *#2263# and naivate to Band Selection. Post here what's in WCDMA and LTE.
On the S6 SM-G920I:
WCDMA: 2100, 900, 1700, 850, 1900
LTE: 1,2,3,4,5,7,8,12,13,17,18,19,20,25,26,28,29,40
on my N920I I have the following:
WCDMA: 2100, 900, 850, 1900
LTE: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, 38, 39, 40, 41
Let me know if you want something else too.
I bought this device to use on AT&T in the USA. So far it is working perfectly.
Hiee Guys iam from india
i have nexus 6 and nexus 6 is volte enabled device. and we a have new carrier jio which is only volte carrier
but many mobiles from india sim is compatible but not nexus 6. many cheap phones are being used
even i turned on volte flag but still not able use my network
only data works but calling is not possible
who should look after my problem its phone or carrier
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Hiee Guys iam from india
i have nexus 6 and nexus 6 is volte enabled device. and we a have new carrier jio which is only volte carrier
but many mobiles from india sim is compatible but not nexus 6. many cheap phones are being used
even i turned on volte flag but still not able use my network
only data works but calling is not possible
who should look after my problem its phone or carrier
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Still jio is in preview period. Wait for its commercial launch.
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Only solution for us is using Jio join app for calling use that & u can make & receive calls & sms
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After commercial launch still the volte not working under our Nexus 6...
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After commercial launch still the volte not working under our Nexus 6...
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its only possible when Motorola and reliance jio together give an update for its support
so we cant currently use Reliance jio in our nexus 6 phones
Pixel got Volte via 7.1.1 Let's hope nexus 6 gets some love.
I wouldn't count on it. The entire reason the Nexus 6P received VoLTE is that it supports channel 40, which your carrier uses. Neither Nexus 6 model includes channel 40, the 6P is listed on the list of compatible devices and the 6 is not. If VoLTE is on band 40, you may be able to add that band if you're willing to risk bricking your phone. Otherwise, it's unlikely VoLTE will ever work on the Nexus 6 with the carrier you are using.
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I wouldn't count on it. The entire reason the Nexus 6P received VoLTE is that it supports channel 40, which your carrier uses. Neither Nexus 6 model includes channel 40, the 6P is listed on the list of compatible devices and the 6 is not. If VoLTE is on band 40, you may be able to add that band if you're willing to risk bricking your phone. Otherwise, it's unlikely VoLTE will ever work on the Nexus 6 with the carrier you are using.
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Jio works on band 3 (1800) in my city. Since nexus 6 supports band 3 don't see any reason why an update wouldn't fix volte on band 3.
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Jio works on band 3 (1800) in my city. Since nexus 6 supports band 3 don't see any reason why an update wouldn't fix volte on band 3.
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Because VoLTE requires a fatter pipe than what band 3 is using. Band 40 is that pipe. The bandwidth on bands 3 and 5 is only 5MHz. Band 40 is 20MHz.[1] The lack of band 40 is why the Nexus 6 is not on Jio's list of supported phones, and why the Nexus 6 is highly unlikely to get VoLTE.
[1]http://www.rfwireless-world.com/Terminology/LTE-frequency-bands-and-4G-LTE-phones-in-INDIA.html
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Because VoLTE requires a fatter pipe than what band 3 is using. Band 40 is that pipe. The bandwidth on bands 3 and 5 is only 5MHz. Band 40 is 20MHz.[1] The lack of band 40 is why the Nexus 6 is not on Jio's list of supported phones, and why the Nexus 6 is highly unlikely to get VoLTE.
[1]http://www.rfwireless-world.com/Terminology/LTE-frequency-bands-and-4G-LTE-phones-in-INDIA.html
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I don't think so. Volte is used in all bands.. if my building has only band 5 signal available, does that mean Volte/calls won't work just because my phone can't receive band 3 or 40?
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I don't think so. Volte is used in all bands.. if my building has only band 5 signal available, does that mean Volte/calls won't work just because my phone can't receive band 3 or 40?
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From my understanding of things (admittedly limited), VoLTE uses a lot of bandwidth, thus you need a fat pipe to use it. Here in the US it generally isn't a problem as the major carriers for the most part don't have narrow pipes. In India, with Jio, the narrow bandwidth of bands 3 and 5 is a problem, and thus you would need band 40.
If you have band 5 available but nothing else, you'll get LTE data but your calls will be on the 3G network. Given the 6P is supported on Jio and the 6 is not, what Jio is using to determine network compatibility is the presence or absence of band 40. The 6P has band 40 while the 6 does not. The 6P has VoLTE - according to previous posts - while the 6 does not. The conclusion based upon the facts is that band 40 is required for VoLTE.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
From my understanding of things (admittedly limited), VoLTE uses a lot of bandwidth, thus you need a fat pipe to use it. Here in the US it generally isn't a problem as the major carriers for the most part don't have narrow pipes. In India, with Jio, the narrow bandwidth of bands 3 and 5 is a problem, and thus you would need band 40.
If you have band 5 available but nothing else, you'll get LTE data but your calls will be on the 3G network. Given the 6P is supported on Jio and the 6 is not, what Jio is using to determine network compatibility is the presence or absence of band 40. The 6P has band 40 while the 6 does not. The 6P has VoLTE - according to previous posts - while the 6 does not. The conclusion based upon the facts is that band 40 is required for VoLTE.
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Jo is a total 4g network. So no fall back options (3g/2g). I never faced an issue where i had only LTE but not VoLTE. That makes me think Volte should be offered on all bands. And Volte doesn't consume much data like VOIP options. 6P is not having Volte yet by the way. waiting for some patch.
the sadder part is i can't even make calls using the jio4voice app itself. It always shows THIS SERVICE IS CURRENTLY UNAVAILABLE IN YOUR REGION. Anything i can do about it ??
Idk but mine was fixed buy some settings in the internet
[/LEFT]QUOTE=xrock8;70181364]the sadder part is i can't even make calls using the jio4voice app itself. It always shows THIS SERVICE IS CURRENTLY UNAVAILABLE IN YOUR REGION. Anything i can do about it ??[/QUOTE]
Just disconnect wifi it will not connect for voice call(both incoming and outgoing) in myjio4g voice app if wifi is connected
So Tmobile's complete 4g band list is as follows; 2, 4, 5, 12, 66, and 71.
According to clove.co.uk, and another spec sheet I found on ebay, the international model s10 will support all these, except for 71.
I ran into this forum below, which claims you can add additional bands to your phone;
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/general/how-to-add-rf-lte-frequency-bands-to-t2886059
Whats the likely hood of being able to add this band to the international model s10?
Edit: Band 71 appears to be a 600MHz network, if it matters
Thanks!
Zero to none! That's a 2014 thread that hit a dead end...
T-Mobile's full range is: B2, 4, 5**, 12, LAA, 66, 71, and LTE-U**.
Being that LTE bands require hardware support one cannot create it in software. Sure, disabled bands can be activated on certain QC devices but that's an exception. The Galaxy S1 lacks support for LTE. Even if someone managed to add LTE on an OS level the phone still lacks the antennas, proper modem, etc.
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T-Mobile's full range is: B2, 4, 5**, 12, LAA, 66, 71, and LTE-U**.
Being that LTE bands require hardware support one cannot create it in software. Sure, disabled bands can be activated on certain QC devices but that's an exception. The Galaxy S1 lacks support for LTE. Even if someone managed to add LTE on an OS level the phone still lacks the antennas, proper modem, etc.
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Never heard of LAA, LTE-U**, or 5**. Are those just separate frequencies? I just listed what I found on tmobiles site
Folks,
Like in the thread in S10+ group: https://forum.xda-developers.com/s10-plus/help/canadian-version-missing-lte-band-17-t3914605
I just do not understand why the LTE Band 17 is missing in action for S10! It has got it since S7!!! Any workaround or hope that Samsung / Big3 carriers will make it back on the next firmware update?
Looks like even the US models don't support it according to the FCC listings.
https://www.droid-life.com/2019/02/02/samsung-galaxy-s10-fcc/
Wonder if most carriers are using other bands now, but it does seem odd. Then again, it might explain why some people have been having reception issues with the S10.
Granted, Telus says it supports Band 17 in the specs, though they'll probably just regurgitate something like "you shouldn't be going into service mode' if we were to call them out on it.
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they'll probably just regurgitate something like "you shouldn't be going into service mode' if we were to call them out on it.
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"Not a problem, I'll just give the competition bureau a quick call and let them know about your false advertising".
No Band 17, No problem
Folks,
Perhaps some of us may have forgotten how the 700MHz MBS spectrum are allocated in relation to Band 12 vs 17. In a sense, the Lower B and C blocks in the Band 17 spectrum are like the "subset" of Band 12 spectrum that includes the Lower A block...
In Canada, the band plan is the same but with different "labels" of the Upper blocks...
Either way, the whole mess with Band 12 vs 17 was more about big carriers like at&t which has got the Lower B and C block spectrum while smaller carriers have got the Lower A block spectrum. Device manufacturers along with big carriers would not have any issue to cater each other objectives but smaller carriers cried foul to FCC. Then they worked on the technical aspects to make networks in both bands interoperable....
https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/at-t-achieves-interability-700-mhz-band
If we force our S10/S10+/S10e with only LTE Band 12 access, I do not believe we would "miss" anything as long as the carrier we are using do have the spectrum in the A, B or C blocks where we use our phones....
* This chart may not reflect any approved spectrum swap between carriers since the last MBS spectrum auction ended
So I would not concern too much about the lack of LTE Band 17 support anymore. In fact, it maybe the other way around that IF our phones didn't support LTE Band 12. It is quite insignificant with 5x5MHz spectrum utilized anyway... unless the place where I use the service the most is located in the boonies or underground bunker!