As some of you might be aware Google's awesome camera software with HDR+ was ported to devices running Snapdragon 820/821/835 devices. Now I know for fact we couldn't port that version to our Moto X. Even if could it would cook our CPUs.
But what about the older version of HDR+ that's on the Nexus 6? Can it be ported? It makes a huuuuugggggggeeeee difference in the quality on photos like night and day. Google's photo processing is leaps and bounds better than any other.
Been wondering this for a while as well. I believe it could be done.
shawndak said:
Been wondering this for a while as well. I believe it could be done.
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Do you know which Snapdragon 800/801 device has the biggest development scene? Maybe prodding over there would be better, if it works for them it will work for us.
Are you talking about the oneplus one? I loved using the old version of google camera and would even like a 3+ version available to everyone. I wonder why google would limit the app exposure?
Visi0nofExcellence2 said:
Do you know which Snapdragon 800/801 device has the biggest development scene? Maybe prodding over there would be better, if it works for them it will work for us.
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Say I want to run cyanogenmod in the future, will the ultrapixel make it so the camera won't work at all because HTC won't release the coding for it?
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Say I want to run cyanogenmod in the future, will the ultrapixel make it so the camera won't work at all because HTC won't release the coding for it?
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It's just a fancy name for a larger 4mp sensor. Ultrapixel is just marketing so people don't say oh that only has a 4mp camera it must suck and instead say ooo ultrapixel must me amazing
It won't make a difference to CM. They will find a way to make the camera work just like they always do, the only difference being the MP size, we have tons of phones with a wide range of MP sizes and there isn't an issue. I wouldn't expect too much of a worry.
Could HTC's noise reduction algorithm throw a wrench in this? As in, might we see noisier pics on cm?
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gk1984 said:
Could HTC's noise reduction algorithm throw a wrench in this? As in, might we see noisier pics on cm?
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Well my concern was that my EVO 3D never had ROMs with 3D camera because there wasn't any source released for that, so I was thinking that they wouldn't release source for their Ultrapixel chip. But I think regardless pictures are going to look better on stock. It was that way when I had an the 3D (with normal pictures of course). It's even better stock on my Epic 4G.
I wonder if the optical image stabilization is controlled automatically by the camera chip or if it's through Sense, and thus not likely to work on AOSP (like 3D was). I suspect that if OIS is a selectable option in the Sense camera app, we're probably not going to see it on AOSP. If it's always on though, we're probably good.
I don't think it will be any bigger of an issue than it already is with most (HTC) Phones out there running CM. If you are looking to install CM, inferior camera quality is a trade off you will have to accept.
With Sense 5, however, I think a lot of hardcore CM goers will not be so quick to jump ship, but that's just my thoughts.
Apparently OIS is always on and probably outside of the control of the ROM, so it should still work in AOSP roms.
I agree with you about Sense 5, I'm definitely planning on keeping it so long as it can keep up with android updates (thanks devs).
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I don't think it will be any bigger of an issue than it already is with most (HTC) Phones out there running CM. If you are looking to install CM, inferior camera quality is a trade off you will have to accept.
With Sense 5, however, I think a lot of hardcore CM goers will not be so quick to jump ship, but that's just my thoughts.
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I also believe this will be the case
Besides battery, the camera seems to be the biggest dividing factor. How much can updates improve a camera after launch?
Also, what about apps from the store. I don't mind using a 3rd party app for the camera if it's better.
Basically, hardware vs software for the camera?
J_Bone said:
Besides battery, the camera seems to be the biggest dividing factor. How much can updates improve a camera after launch?
Also, what about apps from the store. I don't mind using a 3rd party app for the camera if it's better.
Basically, hardware vs software for the camera?
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nothing is going to fix the narrow field of view that the camera has. but everything else is software, which can be updated. the only way an app is going to make things better is if the app is able to process the image on its own. if you want to learn a bit more on it, the latest android central podcast, episode 203, talks about why they think the moto camera is never as good as it should be.
J_Bone said:
Besides battery, the camera seems to be the biggest dividing factor. How much can updates improve a camera after launch?
Also, what about apps from the store. I don't mind using a 3rd party app for the camera if it's better.
Basically, hardware vs software for the camera?
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phermey said:
nothing is going to fix the narrow field of view that the camera has. but everything else is software, which can be updated. the only way an app is going to make things better is if the app is able to process the image on its own. if you want to learn a bit more on it, the latest android central podcast, episode 203, talks about why they think the moto camera is never as good as it should be.
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Android Police and other sites did a breakdown of Android L awhile back. Guess what they found? A lot of Camera APIs. So most likely Google finally improved camera software which would definitely help the camera. In terms of hardware, the camera sensor is the same as in the G2 and G3, and those phones take good photos. It must be a software issue, since 4.4.4 isn't that good with images
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...image-capture-photographers-everywhere-cheer/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...bles-burst-mode-thorough-control-photos-much/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8274/understanding-androids-camera-hal3
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Android Police and other sites did a breakdown of Android L awhile back. Guess what they found? A lot of Camera APIs. So most likely Google finally improved camera software which would definitely help the camera. In terms of hardware, the camera sensor is the same as in the G2 and G3, and those phones take good photos. It must be a software issue, since 4.4.4 isn't that good with images
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...image-capture-photographers-everywhere-cheer/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...bles-burst-mode-thorough-control-photos-much/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8274/understanding-androids-camera-hal3
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it is more than that though. the oems do not have to use those apis. and those apis really don't have anything to do with the convesion from light to a pic. this is why i referred to the podcast. here is how it was explained. a camera sensor pics up light. and it is up to the firmware to take that data and turn it into a picture. this firmware is not the api. and moto could license better firmware to give us better pics... but from the looks of it they would rather save some cash. it does not matter that the sensor is the same 'sensor' that is in the gs4, g2, and g3. the 'lenses' are most definitely different and the firmware that converts the light into a pic i also very different from that in the lg and samsung.
i think moto will improve upon it just as they did the last moto x. but i don't think it will ever take as good of pics as the g3.
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it is more than that though. the oems do not have to use those apis. and those apis really don't have anything to do with the convesion from light to a pic. this is why i referred to the podcast. here is how it was explained. a camera sensor pics up light. and it is up to the firmware to take that data and turn it into a picture. this firmware is not the api. and moto could license better firmware to give us better pics... but from the looks of it they would rather save some cash. it does not matter that the sensor is the same 'sensor' that is in the gs4, g2, and g3. the 'lenses' are most definitely different and the firmware that converts the light into a pic i also very different from that in the lg and samsung.
i think moto will improve upon it just as they did the last moto x. but i don't think it will ever take as good of pics as the g3.
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since this is the case, Moto spending money for the license will up the price in the Moto X, which I think is not what they wanted to do. also, LG, HTC, Sony, and Samsung will most likely not sell their licenses since that is what makes them produce the best pic quality by their standards. maybe old licenses would be sold? even then, I wouldn't want competition to use my stuff. other companies may not want to sell either, so Moto would have to research themselves, which takes more time and more money which will get passed onto the consumer
off topic: so based on what you're saying, maybe that's why the Nexus does not have really good pic quality. imo, Google could still fix it up in L, which will also be passed down to Moto X since it is on vanilla Android. Google did say they want the Nexus line to eventually have a good camera experience, and L may be an answer to that. I am sure Google can incorporate the firmware in for converting light
Surprised no one is talking about Snap camera here. Its a new camera app in CyanogenMod 13 nightlies that is based on the Snapdragon camera app from Qualcomm.
Compared to Google Camera, Snap camera is significantly faster. It does not support RAW capture or any other advanced camera option like shutter speed, ISO levels etc, but it is well worth using just for the speed increase.
I also think that my N5 focuses faster with Snap camera compared to other camera apps that I have tried.
Made a video of the UI in action over here if you guys are interested: https://youtu.be/O3NpF9ZcT1M
On other phones compatible phones like LG G4 etc., the app does support HDR mode and other advanced features like ISO levels, exposure levels etc.
Ive used this app for about a year. The clean UI and the amount of features make it easily one of my favorites. (fyi ive used it on a g3, n6, n6p, opo, edge, edge+, BlackBerry Priv and a moto x 2013 & 2014 and its always worked for me with HDR working best on the Nexus devices)
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jazzh said:
Link?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2055140
ssro said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2055140
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This link points to Snap camera HDR, which is in my knowledge different from Snapdragon camera. As fa as I know there is no way to install Snapdragon camera on N5 with stock marshmallow. So CM13 and variants after the 1.09 build are the only way to go . However the camera does not support HDR mode yet.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
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This link points to Snap camera HDR, which is in my knowledge different from Snapdragon camera. As fa as I know there is no way to install Snapdragon camera on N5 with stock marshmallow. So CM13 and variants after the 1.09 build are the only way to go . However the camera does not support HDR mode yet.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
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thanks for reminding me, here is the right app
http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/themes-apps/snap-camera-cm13-nightly-t3301230
ssro said:
thanks for reminding me, here is the right app
http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/themes-apps/snap-camera-cm13-nightly-t3301230
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Can we expect Google Camera with HDR+ on our Huawei P10(Hisilicon Kirin 960)?
Any news, do some dev can port?
I see Exyons devices(S7,S8) supporting Google HDR+.
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kima81 said:
Can we expect Google Camera with HDR+ on our Huawei P10(Hisilicon Kirin 960)?
Any news, do some dev can port?
I see Exyons devices(S7,S8) supporting Google HDR+.
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It´s not worth doing this labor intensive work, even if someone does it, it makes no sense technically. Using the Stock Camera would be better, cause Kirin960 has obviously not the same functions as a snapdragon.
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It´s not worth doing this labor intensive work, even if someone does it, it makes no sense technically. Using the Stock Camera would be better, cause Kirin960 has obviously not the same functions as a snapdragon.
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Thanks for the answer, but I would not agree with you. Google Camera with HDR+ is does seem to have the best imige quality in low light conditions. The Google HDR+ camera algorithm is awesome. So if someone succeeds in porting will be very nice.
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You are rightthe gcam is fancy and good, but there main thing about this different softcams is, that their only tweaking what they get from the hardware (picturesensor and image processor).
The way i see it, the gcam is only good snapdragondevices because it´s optimzed for. There maybe ports to exynosbased samsungs, but from point of view the only advantage is the other userinterface & options. The imagequality maybe better then the stock for certain reasons.
I have testet the port for my S8, but i really can´t see now differnce to the stock cam. Under some conditions the stock is better, in other cases the gcam, but both not giving much.
Only on 835 snapdragons you get this stunning low light performance cause of the hybrid autofocus framework: See here
It seems that the S22 Ultra use a lot of the same stuff like lenses, maybe the whole camera setup. So we dont know, if they improve software AI and we also dont know, if that really requires Exynos 2200 or SD8 Gen1.
In the past, there were many things ported from newer models to older models. Even GCAM get a port.
Im interested into the updated camera app from the S22U because of 108MP enhancer mode and less noice in video.
Do you think it is possible and someone will do?
I use the unofficial ExpertRAW heavily and in my opinion it can improve image quality a lot. As long as nobody compare ExpertRAW from both phones, I doubt there will be much hardware upgrades in camera Departement.
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It seems that the S22 Ultra use a lot of the same stuff like lenses, maybe the whole camera setup. So we dont know, if they improve software AI and we also dont know, if that really requires Exynos 2200 or SD8 Gen1.
In the past, there were many things ported from newer models to older models. Even GCAM get a port.
Im interested into the updated camera app from the S22U because of 108MP enhancer mode and less noice in video.
Do you think it is possible and someone will do?
I use the unofficial ExpertRAW heavily and in my opinion it can improve image quality a lot. As long as nobody compare ExpertRAW from both phones, I doubt there will be much hardware upgrades in camera Departement.
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+1, I've been wondering about the same as well,back when I owned an S8+, I remember getting rom ports of the note 8 alongside which you would get the new camera app as well
I know getting the entire rom ported over to the phone,only the camera app should be sufficient here since software updates pretty much bridge any and all difference between phones except for specific apps,like the camera
S22 runs on oneui 4.1, we are on 4.0 probably some of the new features will be available for us once we get an update. To be honest I would wait till that and then see if there is anything "missing".
Probably samsung will restrict something for newest device, but there is a chance that we will get nearly everything as the hardware should not be an issue.
The improvements on main camera seems impossible to port on 21U for the isp on snapdragon 888 can't take one photo in 108MP mode and 12MP mode at the same time which is available on snapdragon 8 Gen 1.