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After a day playing with LP on the Note 4 I'm a bit disappointed in Samsung's implementation. For me, the wait for LP was actually only for core feature (as I was perfectly happy with KitKat); Better camera support with LP !! The Note 4 has pretty amazing camera hardware for a phone, which was under KitKat limited by the OS.
Well things have NOT changed with Lollipop. Still no shutter speed control, no support for RAW. It's not LP Camerav2 API compatible Not even with thirdparty camera apps, who do support this on lollipop on other devices. According some developers I spoke (for instance from Camera FV-5) this is because Samsung has been cutting corners (again?) with result that these enhanced options probably will never be available on the Note 4 devices. If they manage to work around it, it will be probably by the time I already have my S6 and Note 5. Yes I know its only a phone camera, but with more (manual) control you can create amazing effects and with RAW support touching up a picture is so flexible and easy in light-room or Photoshop.
Another annoying thing in KK was the recent app button lag. Its a little better but still it lags (I rather think this is touchwiz UI related and not Android related). Finally a crazy move of Google, is to remove the silent mode and replace it with a "partly" broken notification priority schema and Samsung made this even worse by removing scheduled priories from this new feature.
So yes, the phone feels a little snappier in use then when I was running KK, but this limited LP implementation is a bummer for everyone who uses the Note camera regularly. For me it's for sure not what I expected nor I had hoped for. Some other things that are not implemented in the Samsung's lollipop release is the Multi-user option and Ambient light option. Honestly I would have rather waited for a month (or two) to receive a proper (more complete and less bugs) Lollipop then what it is now
EDIT: FIX for recent apps button lag in TouchWiz props to @2000Hugo works on kk and lp
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/help/fix-recent-apps-button-lag-touchwiz-lp-t3033000
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I was wondering when such a thread would show up, it was long overdue. ?
You already have an app in general section which can capture raw pics in kitkat itself, check it out if you want. This is the very first release it's not fair to talk about recent lag, hope they tweak it in subsequent releases
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recent app button lag. Its a little better but still it lags.
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Yep, that is exactly and ALL I am disappointed in... Samsung seem incapable of making a phone that is as smooth as a Nexus 5, despite faster processor and more ram.
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I was wondering when such a thread would show up, it was long overdue.
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Lol @iridaki Well its my point of view based on feedback from camera app developers I received today. But yes I'm quick on the money for sure
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You already have an app in general section which can capture raw pics in kitkat itself, check it out if you want. This is the very first release it's not fair to talk about recent lag, hope they tweak it in subsequent releases
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@bala_gamer I'm aware of that, but the the beauty is (or in case of the Note 4 rather was) that with LP this could be done straight from within the stock camera app (shutter speed too). The recent apps lag was already a problem in KK so honestly I think its more TW UI then android OS related. So yes I think it would be fair if they would have fixed this by now. (But I'm perfectly happy with a lagging recent app button too) Limited camera driver implementation is a whole other story. I think that ship is sailed already for the Note4
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You already have an app in general section which can capture raw pics in kitkat itself, check it out if you want. This is the very first release it's not fair to talk about recent lag, hope they tweak it in subsequent releases
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Can you share the link or tell me the name?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g2/general/app-mi2raw-enables-capturing-real-raw-t2837089
I know mi2raw but only works with Sony IMX135 sensor.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2753946
Freedcam seems supported Samsung but the result may not good as OP stated and it is only for Qualcomm model, no Exynos.
Samsung not pushing updates? people unhappy. Samsung pushes updates? people unhappy.
Raw support? on a phone? if you know how to use raw and what its for, you most likely have a DSLR.
Complaints! Complaints everywhere ! :laugh:
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Well things have NOT changed with Lollipop. Still no shutter speed control, no support for RAW. Not even with thirdparty camera apps, who do support this on lollipop on other devices. According some developers I spoke (for instance from Camera FV-5) this is because Samsung has been cutting corners (again?) with result that these enhanced options probably will never be available on the Note 4 devices. If they manage to work around it, it will be probably by the time I already have my S6 and Note 5 (still a big IF) Yes I know its a phone camera, but with more control you can create amazing effects and with RAW support touching up a picture is so flexible and easy in light-room or Photoshop.
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I'm thinking to buy Note4 but no RAW and manual shutter really hurt me. Can you tell me is there night mode and portrait night available there in Lollipop? Because since 4.4 Samsung removed them(note2/note3) in the scene menu and only leave auto mode.
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Samsung not pushing updates? people unhappy. Samsung pushes updates? people unhappy.
Raw support? on a phone? if you know how to use raw and what its for, you most likely have a DSLR.
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That's not about complaints because RAW and manual shutter will be included on Galaxy S6 but considered Note4 is still very new and no reason to not implement it for us.
RAW is even a bit more important on camera phone because the white balance, exposure and jpg compression is just too bad implemented.
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I'm thinking to buy Note4 but no RAW and manual shutter really hurt me. Can you tell me is there night mode and portrait night available there in Lollipop? Because since 4.4 Samsung removed them(note2/note3) in the scene menu and only leave auto mode.
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To be fair, auto mode detects low light situations very accurately and the results aren't half bad, especially for a phone.
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To be fair, auto mode detects low light situations very accurately and the results aren't half bad, especially for a phone.
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Really I don't think so, it may be good for you and some other guys but not me. I've tested the Note4 today in a phone store and portrait night mode will only enabled in extreme low light environment and there is even still no pure night mode available.
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Samsung not pushing updates? people unhappy. Samsung pushes updates? people unhappy.
Raw support? on a phone? if you know how to use raw and what its for, you most likely have a DSLR.
Complaints! Complaints everywhere ! :laugh:
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Partly true, I don't have a DSLR but know my way in Adobe products. Shutter speed and f-stop control can be found on a 40 dollar camera and is basic photo making knowledge (don't have to be a rocket scientist to use it for great effects) In previous Android versions this was "as we all know" not possible due to limited hardware support from the camera API. One of the major improvements in LP is that this is now possible . Well it is on other LP devices, but not on the Note 4 and if my information is right (I'm no developer) it will not happen .
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Really I don't think so, it may be good for you and some other guys but not me. I've tested the Note4 today in a phone store and portrait night mode will only enabled in extreme low light environment and there is even still no pure night mode available.
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I have to agree totally on this
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Partly true, I don't have a DSLR but know my way in Adobe products. Shutter speed and diaphragm control can be found on a 40 dollar camera and is basic photo making knowledge (don't have to be a rocket scientist to use it for great effects) In previous Android versions this was "as we all know" not possible due to limited hardware support from the camera API. One of the major improvements in LP is that this is now possible . Well it is on other LP devices, but not on the Note 4 and if my information is right (I'm no developer) it will not happen .
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While it may now be possible in LP, I'm not surprised Samsung hasn't implemented these changes yet. These are great features but also very niche. Most users wouldn't care about them or even use them in everyday situations. As such, Samsung may very well implement them down the line (which would be great), but again for most people no one would notice them being there or not...so Samsung focuses instead on other priorities (like ensuring full functionality with Gear VR, which has the potential to make them a ton of money if it gets more mainstream, etc).
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Really I don't think so, it may be good for you and some other guys but not me. I've tested the Note4 today in a phone store and portrait night mode will only enabled in extreme low light environment and there is even still no pure night mode available.
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OK, I see the need for more control over camera modes.
However, I did not quite get what you're trying to say here. Do you own the Note 4 or you just tried a display model in a store? And if you do own the device, did you try it in a store environment? It's no surprise that night mode didn't kick in, stores tend to have lights on and whatnot. ?
I'm not arguing about how the lack of Night mode may be a drawback for some, I'm just not entirely sure you have tested the device properly enough to form such a strong opinion.
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OK, I see the need for more control over camera modes.
However, I did not quite get what you're trying to say here. Do you own the Note 4 or you just tried a display model in a store? And if you do own the device, did you try it in a store environment? It's no surprise that night mode didn't kick in, stores tend to have lights on and whatnot. ?
I'm not arguing about how the lack of Night mode may be a drawback for some, I'm just not entirely sure you have tested the device properly enough to form such a strong opinion.
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Nope, you exactly get what I meant. Yes, I don't really have the device but I like to shoot photo with night mode to have the best quality during at indoor environment(most people would not do that so auto mode don't turn on but this is my personal preference). And Note4 seems to lack of pure night mode, even though the screen is completely dark, there is still only portrait night mode on.
I"m started to thinking about Galaxy S6 because RAW and manual shutter speed is implemented(so I can create a night mode myself) but it is just way over priced and excess my budget.
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OK, I see the need for more control over camera modes.
However, I did not quite get what you're trying to say here. Do you own the Note 4 or you just tried a display model in a store? And if you do own the device, did you try it in a store environment? It's no surprise that night mode didn't kick in, stores tend to have lights on and whatnot.
I'm not arguing about how the lack of Night mode may be a drawback for some, I'm just not entirely sure you have tested the device properly enough to form such a strong opinion.
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I don't think he has the Note 4 @iridaki and I agree a store environment is not the best place to test a phones camera. But I do own the Note 4 since release and I have to agree on the night mode. Also it's not only night shots that benefit amazingly from shutter and f-stop control. You can create more dept in landscape shots and nice effects with moving objects against a steady background too. They could do it with the Nexus devices with the LP upgrade (not fair to compare I guess) but also the One plus and LG could do it. So then I'm disappointed that Samsung left a (for me at least) major LP feature on the drawingboard instead of implementing it.
Oh this a pretty good article on what it should have been (and is on other LP devices)
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8274/understanding-androids-camera-hal3
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Nope, you exactly get what I meant. Yes, I don't really have the device but I like to shoot photo with night mode to have the best quality during at indoor environment(most people would not do that so auto mode don't turn on but this is my personal preference). And Note4 seems to lack of pure night mode, even though the screen is completely dark, there is still only portrait night mode on.
I"m started to thinking about Galaxy S6 because RAW and manual shutter speed is implemented(so I can create a night mode myself) but it is just way over priced and excess my budget.
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OK, so you don't own the device, therefore you cannot dismiss my personal opinion, because I have been using this phone for 3 months now and I've taken hundreds of photos with it in a variety of places and situations.
I understand you need Night mode and that is perfectly reasonable but posting in the forums of a device you do not own to say that its camera is not good enough for you, is a bit provoking.
I believe the S6 will indeed have an improved camera but I'm sure other devices available now and later will too. And I hope you'll be able to get one of them and be happy with it.
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I don't think he has the Note 4 @iridaki and I agree a store environment is not the best place to test a phones camera. But I do own the Note 4 since release and I have to agree on the night mode. Also it's not only night shots that benefit amazingly from shutter and f-stop control. You can create more dept in landscape shots and nice effects with moving objects against a steady background too. They could do it with the Nexus devices with the LP upgrade (not fair to compare I guess) but also the One plus and LG could do it. So then I'm disappointed that Samsung left a (for me at least) major LP feature on the drawingboard instead of implementing it.
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I am not saying that the lack of Night mode and shutter speed control couldn't be construed as drawbacks, I'm with you on that. It was more his attitude "It may work for you but not for me" which was very arrogant for someone who hasn't actually tried the device in everyday circumstances.
Anyway, I see the source of frustration and I agree that it'd be nice if Samsung had taken advantage of the new LP APIs.
I think that they've done a good job with Lollipop, everything works nice and smooth, the recent apps works perfectly fine for me...the only thing I dislike is that there is no animation when clicking the recent apps button while in an app...also camera works good, it's a shame there is no night mode but image stabilisation does the job pretty good(they should have added an option to turn it off or on though).
As some of you might be aware Google's awesome camera software with HDR+ was ported to devices running Snapdragon 820/821/835 devices. Now I know for fact we couldn't port that version to our Moto X. Even if could it would cook our CPUs.
But what about the older version of HDR+ that's on the Nexus 6? Can it be ported? It makes a huuuuugggggggeeeee difference in the quality on photos like night and day. Google's photo processing is leaps and bounds better than any other.
Been wondering this for a while as well. I believe it could be done.
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Been wondering this for a while as well. I believe it could be done.
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Do you know which Snapdragon 800/801 device has the biggest development scene? Maybe prodding over there would be better, if it works for them it will work for us.
Are you talking about the oneplus one? I loved using the old version of google camera and would even like a 3+ version available to everyone. I wonder why google would limit the app exposure?
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Do you know which Snapdragon 800/801 device has the biggest development scene? Maybe prodding over there would be better, if it works for them it will work for us.
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Hi.
I've got an offer to buy a 1 month old Nokia 8 for 250 euro/300 dollars.
I've been looking at the Nokia 7 plus which is about 390 euro/460 dollar in my country.
I've got a Iphone 7 as it is, but i really wanna go back to Android now that i finally have the option and my all time favorite phone is Nexus 1, so i want so close to stock android as possible.
The biggest fear i've got is the camera. I don't want anything worse then i got today. Would you say it's worse/same/better?
Which one would you buy if you had the chance?
Thanks in advance!
Look at the specs. You will see the Nokia 8 much better than 7th.
NOKIA 8 is one of the most underrated telefon, SD 835 and 250 € it's a great deal.
Camera is bad compared to any brand flagship from past 5 years
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Camera is bad compared to any brand flagship from past 5 years
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It's the software that is crap. With Google Camera apk you get fabulous pictures.
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Camera is bad compared to any brand flagship from past 5 years
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You can replace it with Google camera app and you get premium feeling.
Depends on what you want the phone for... For me I like to try new new new, Android never my main phone, just a playground, I want to try AOSP, I like to try latest Android... My main phone is iPhone.
At the moment Nokia is not keeping up to their promise, they're busy with launching more models and Nokia 8 is not getting their May Security Patch yet, and it's not Project Treble... Camera also has no Pro Manual mode yet.
So if you want a long lasting software patching phone I suppose any of their new Android One is better...
2 days ago I was so tempted to sell off my 6 months old Nokia 8 to replace with Mi Mix 2s because of Android P beta preview. Even my Mi 5 running LineAge OS has May Security Patch!
Updated: just tried out Google camera (as others suggested) on Nokia 8, it crash my phone when I turn on Motion option, and HDR set to High quality isn't great, mainly just over exposed compared to Medium (Default).
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There is many google cameras from different devs , you need to choose one thats suits you better
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You can replace it with Google camera app and you get premium feeling.
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Premium feel is when the camera works fluently without mods. Even with mods the camera is mediocre and can't compete with any flagships past few years.
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Premium feel is when the camera works fluently without mods. Even with mods the camera is mediocre and can't compete with any flagships past few years.
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You're either a hater or you haven't held a Nokia 8 in your hands that uses Google Camera.
The results I get with this thing are better than most of the recent flagships and almost matches the images you can get on a Pixel 2.
Pls refrain from posting bull$h!t and confusing the OP. Thx.
I'm neither of what you accuse. I'm just not giving false hope for OP coming from iPhone 7 that Nokia 8 camera is on par with competition.
https://www.dxomark.com/nokia-8-review-nokias-return-high-end-segment/
You can get a little better results with mods of course, but it won't fix the limitations of that Sony sensor. It's still slow and mediocre in low light / indoors.
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I'm neither of what you accuse. I'm just not giving false hope for OP coming from iPhone 7 that Nokia 8 camera is on par with competition.
https://www.dxomark.com/nokia-8-review-nokias-return-high-end-segment/
You can get a little better results with mods of course, but it won't fix the limitations of that Sony sensor. It's still slow and mediocre in low light / indoors.
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The difference is day and night. It's not "a little better". Low light as well - drastically different than the default camera app processing.
Pls end your nonsense. It's HMD's fault that they screwed up the camera app. But this is a huge and significant mod that breathes new life into this phone's camera capabilities.
The camera really is bad , i have the nokia 8 and i agree
But also agree that with google camera it works a thousand times better and it has no problem matching the quality of the photos of iphone 7
Regarding to everything else , nokia 8 is better in everything , snapdragon 835 is just fabulous , ram management is also good
Batttery life , power and everything else is close to the iphone 7 , if you want to go back to android , sell iph7 , win big money and buy nokia 8 , is the best choice
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The difference is day and night. It's not "a little better". Low light as well - drastically different than the default camera app processing.
Pls end your nonsense. It's HMD's fault that they screwed up the camera app. But this is a huge and significant mod that breathes new life into this phone's camera capabilities.
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Installing another manufacturer's algorithms won't fix the slow shutter speed and low light capabilities of the 1.12 um sensor.
Every android phone that i've tried has some pluses and minuses in google camera app mods. Usually low light images are better but that's it, then you might experience glare in day shots or something else.. oh and you lose all the gimmicks that the oem has put on its software/hardware (nokia 8 dual lens for example and ozo sound in video).
So it's a hit or miss.. Especially when there are no apks that are optimized for nokia 8.
And believe me, i would love to be wrong in this, but in this current state the camera is mediocre.. with or without mods. I hope nokia would use that second lens to improve low light..
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Installing another manufacturer's algorithms won't fix the slow shutter speed and low light capabilities of the 1.12 um sensor.
Every android phone that i've tried has some pluses and minuses in google camera app mods. Usually low light images are better but that's it, then you might experience glare in day shots or something else.. oh and you lose all the gimmicks that the oem has put on its software/hardware (nokia 8 dual lens for example and ozo sound in video).
So it's a hit or miss.. Especially when there are no apks that are optimized for nokia 8.
And believe me, i would love to be wrong in this, but in this current state the camera is mediocre.. with or without mods. I hope nokia would use that second lens to improve low light..
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Agree, I spend more money (on non Chinese brands) because of Nokia's quality, it's losing the purpose of pay a premium for Zeiss Lens and not able to benefit the Dual or PIP features in the stock app. The lens (and it's features) and USB 3 was the only reason Nokia worth the premium for, else it is just a Mi 6.
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Is there a reason why there aren't any custom ROMs here for Nokia devices?
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Is there a reason why there aren't any custom ROMs here for Nokia devices?
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I think the bootloader can't be unlocked yet.
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Thing is, the need for unlocking of bootloader needs to be pushed to the OEM. Something like filing a petition or something. So that we can show the responsible person..
Bought this phone yesterday. I'm new to Samsung. I had seen and read a lot of reviews and articles, and all were very positive about the camera, but in my experience its very disappointing. Especially the front facing camera. It's always blurry, and what is up with all that smoothing out??? Even when it's off it just does the same. I haven't changed any special settings. After looking for a solution I see that I'm not the only one experiencing this. Is this just a question of taste, or is there really something "broken" at the moment with this camera?? I'm really considiring returning this phone. 1000€ and this is the picture quality I get?
I paid considerably less than 1000€ a week after launch, I think I'd return it if I paid that much. I've had some good photos from the camera and also less impressive ones, it seems Pro mode is the place to be.
Yes the selfie cam sucks. Too much post processing causing the smoothing effect. I'm not an Instagram model, I don't need to look airbrushed.
The rear shooters though can produce some really nice pics.
It's the software that causes issues. The hardware is solid.
The other option is to download GCam which uses Google's HDR Processing from the Pixel devices. It produces really nice photos. Some GCam builds have Night Sight working as well.
You might find this link useful for installing GCam, it seems to be a bit hit and miss, the camera works for a little while and then just force closes every time it's launched.
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Bought this phone yesterday. I'm new to Samsung. I had seen and read a lot of reviews and articles, and all were very positive about the camera, but in my experience its very disappointing. Especially the front facing camera. It's always blurry, and what is up with all that smoothing out??? Even when it's off it just does the same. I haven't changed any special settings. After looking for a solution I see that I'm not the only one experiencing this. Is this just a question of taste, or is there really something "broken" at the moment with this camera?? I'm really considiring returning this phone. 1000€ and this is the picture quality I get?
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Welcome to the esteemed club of Note 9 owners! unfortunately a lot of us are already having this issue and understand exactly how you feel! there is a thread on here already about this: see below
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-9/help/galaxy-note-9-camera-sharp-t3835459
and trust me its annoying having paid so much for this device and then get this rubbish picture quality!.... and I bet you any money Samsung folks read these forums so whether its a case of "cant be bothered" or "working on it", no one knows!
I hear the point about Gcam download as an option but I really feel I should not need to download additional software to make up for Samsung's lapses. We buy this device cos we love it and desperately want it to work, guess Samsung makes them only to get our money... not rocket science who the real losers are !
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I paid considerably less than 1000€ a week after launch, I think I'd return it if I paid that much. I've had some good photos from the camera and also less impressive ones, it seems Pro mode is the place to be.
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Tbh I also paid far less. But still, one expects to get a decent camera for this price and all that marketing jibberjabber. How come all big YouTube tech reviewers praise this camera ?! Money makes them dance
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Yes the selfie cam sucks. Too much post processing causing the smoothing effect. I'm not an Instagram model, I don't need to look airbrushed.
The rear shooters though can produce some really nice pics.
It's the software that causes issues. The hardware is solid.
The other option is to download GCam which uses Google's HDR Processing from the Pixel devices. It produces really nice photos. Some GCam builds have Night Sight working as well.
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I'll give it a try.. but this is ffin low. That we even have to this..
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You might find this link useful for installing GCam, it seems to be a bit hit and miss, the camera works for a little while and then just force closes every time it's launched.
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Thx
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Welcome to the esteemed club of Note 9 owners! unfortunately a lot of us are already having this issue and understand exactly how you feel! there is a thread on here already about this: see below
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-9/help/galaxy-note-9-camera-sharp-t3835459
and trust me its annoying having paid so much for this device and then get this rubbish picture quality!.... and I bet you any money Samsung folks read these forums so whether its a case of "cant be bothered" or "working on it", no one knows!
I hear the point about Gcam download as an option but I really feel I should not need to download additional software to make up for Samsung's lapses. We buy this device cos we love it and desperately want it to work, guess Samsung makes them only to get our money... not rocket science who the real losers are !
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Now if these problems can be fixed with future updates that would be great, but is there communication from Samsung about this? And can this be fixed with (near) future updates.
william-johnson said:
Welcome to the esteemed club of Note 9 owners! unfortunately a lot of us are already having this issue and understand exactly how you feel! there is a thread on here already about this: see below
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-9/help/galaxy-note-9-camera-sharp-t3835459
and trust me its annoying having paid so much for this device and then get this rubbish picture quality!.... and I bet you any money Samsung folks read these forums so whether its a case of "cant be bothered" or "working on it", no one knows!
I hear the point about Gcam download as an option but I really feel I should not need to download additional software to make up for Samsung's lapses. We buy this device cos we love it and desperately want it to work, guess Samsung makes them only to get our money... not rocket science who the real losers are !
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So you don't have any third party apps on your device?
I'm about to return my phone and get my money back.. But i'm still doubting. .. Can these problems be fixed with future updates? Can we expect a good stock camera app in the near future?
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I'm about to return my phone and get my money back.. But i'm still doubting. .. Can these problems be fixed with future updates? Can we expect a good stock camera app in the near future?
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The only likely upgrade would be Samsung's take on Night sight, I wouldn't expect any miracles.
Guys, hey, HW is solid as someone said, i also have some issues with cam quality, i thing that we must wait till we have pie update and then see what changes. Like im working with audio eq and for example player FIIOX5 III sounds quite bad at beggining, but later firmware updates makes it much better. So i thing - wait for software update and then decide to do something with it or ask for refound.
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Guys, hey, HW is solid as someone said, i also have some issues with cam quality, i thing that we must wait till we have pie update and then see what changes. Like im working with audio eq and for example player FIIOX5 III sounds quite bad at beggining, but later firmware updates makes it much better. So i thing - wait for software update and then decide to do something with it or ask for refound.
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It's been hit and miss too for me, coming from a Pixel 2 XL.
Things are considerably better since I use the Arnova's Gcam port (better than my Pixel 2 XL in fact), and it made me realize Samsung's app/post-processing is the issue, not the Note 9 camera/sensor
Samsung needs to go back to the drawing board and do something about that agressive, over the top post-processing. Like I said, Gcam produces way better, more natural looking like pics, and most of all, they're not blurry (faster shutter time with Gcam maybe?)
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It's been hit and miss too for me, coming from a Pixel 2 XL.
Things are considerably better since I use the Arnova's Gcam port (better than my Pixel 2 XL in fact), and it made me realize Samsung's app/post-processing is the issue, not the Note 9 camera/sensor
Samsung needs to go back to the drawing board and do something about that agressive, over the top post-processing. Like I said, Gcam produces way better, more natural looking like pics, and most of all, they're not blurry (faster shutter time with Gcam maybe?)
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Have you tried the one via official XDA
https://www.xda-developers.com/google-camera-port-hub/
Is there difference with the Arnova port?
melchiar said:
Have you tried the one via official XDA
https://www.xda-developers.com/google-camera-port-hub/
Is there difference with the Arnova port?
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More features like Advanced HDR+ and Night Sight are working for me with Arnova's builds vs the one you just posted.
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-arnova8G2/
Can you post some sample pics? This phone is consistently rated as one of the top cameras on the market and I have to say that I'm not disappointed. In good conditions it's hard to say that it's any worse than my DLSR with expensive lenses. Night shots are excellent too. If your rear camera is as bad as you claim, perhaps there is a hardware problem? The front camera does apply a lot of post processing (which I'm not a fan of either) but you can turn most of it off.
TLDR: either you have an actual hardware problem or insanely high expectations, the camera on this phone is just about the best on the market. When I say that it comes close to my DSLR, I'm not kidding.
Phazonclash said:
More features like Advanced HDR+ and Night Sight are working for me with Arnova's builds vs the one you just posted.
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-arnova8G2/
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I added a screenshot. Do you install the first one or the second one?
Edit: the first one force closes every time, and the second one doesn't have all options it seems, like night vision en HDR+
melchiar said:
I added a screenshot. Do you install the first one or the second one?
Edit: the first one force closes every time, and the second one doesn't have all options it seems, like night vision en HDR+
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That's the one you want: https://f.celsoazevedo.com/file/gcamera/MGC_6.1.021_BSG_Arnova-based_v.1.3d_TlnNeun_2.apk
If it force-closes on launch, that's because it was installed over an older version, just clear data + cache and relaunch, it will work
Reading some of these comments . . . The stock camera app takes fantastic looking pictures IF the subject is not moving. Try taking a picture of your kid or pet doing anything BUT standing still and the photo is a blurred mess. Wish the shutter speed was faster smh not holding my breath on Samsung fixing it thru an update
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Reading some of these comments . . . The stock camera app takes fantastic looking pictures IF the subject is not moving. Try taking a picture of your kid or pet doing anything BUT standing still and the photo is a blurred mess. Wish the shutter speed was faster smh not holding my breath on Samsung fixing it thru an update
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Use Pro mode if you want to be able to specify your shutter speed, I find the raw's are pretty good once they've had some basic touch-ups.
I have an Xperia 1 ii which I do really like, I've always enjoyed Sony phones and I really like the look and feel of it. The long display is great for me, the storage (plus option of an SD card) is good and the battery is OK.*
I am by no means an expert photographer but the camera on a phone is one of the main draws for me on a phone. Whilst I have been able to capture some nice shots on my Xperia, I have found the point and shoot camera to be very hit and miss and definitely lacking either under artificial light or at night. It certainly feels like a stepdown from the camera on my old P20 Pro.
Given this, I am considering trading in my Xperia and switching to the Pixel 5, predominantly*for the camera and also taking advantage of the Bose preorder offer. From what I can see, the main downgrades would be a stepdown in processor, smaller screen and reduction in storage size (with no SD option). The latter could be a slight barrier as I am currently using 122GB of storage on my Xperia (I like to keep a fair chunk of music offline) so this would basically max out the Pixel.
It would be helpful to hear the views of any Xperia and/or Pixel owners or just any community experts who know a lot more than me!
Well, considering you've used the 1ii, you know that the form factor and processing power are quite good. You won't get either on the Pixel. The camera on the Pixel may be better set up for point and shoot, yes. I've found the 1ii's point and shooting abilities to be good, and of course you lose some of the benefits of manual RAW tweaking if that is up your alley. Further, the 1ii has a telephoto lens, while the P5 lacks one entirely, so if you like zooming in on stuff the Sony is the way to go. And there is absolutely no way you can store 122GB of music on a 128GB Pixel. Remember, a number of GB are taken up by the system (and then your apps).
As a former Pixel user, the Xperia has a different feel for its photos, being more neutral, for instance, but I've come to enjoy it. That said, the Pixel camera gets better night mode results. Still, a port of GCam is in the works (WHEN it may come is up in the air). Once it eventually comes out, the advantages of the Pixel will be available on the 1ii (so, let's go Arnova!)
(There is a GCam 5 you can check out, linked in some other posts, though I've found it to be hit or miss stability wise.)
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Well, considering you've used the 1ii, you know that the form factor and processing power are quite good. You won't get either on the Pixel. The camera on the Pixel may be better set up for point and shoot, yes. I've found the 1ii's point and shooting abilities to be good, and of course you lose some of the benefits of manual RAW tweaking if that is up your alley. Further, the 1ii has a telephoto lens, while the P5 lacks one entirely, so if you like zooming in on stuff the Sony is the way to go. And there is absolutely no way you can store 122GB of music on a 128GB Pixel. Remember, a number of GB are taken up by the system (and then your apps).
As a former Pixel user, the Xperia has a different feel for its photos, being more neutral, for instance, but I've come to enjoy it. That said, the Pixel camera gets better night mode results. Still, a port of GCam is in the works (WHEN it may come is up in the air). Once it eventually comes out, the advantages of the Pixel will be available on the 1ii (so, let's go Arnova!)
(There is a GCam 5 you can check out, linked in some other posts, though I've found it to be hit or miss stability wise.)
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Thanks a lot for the feedback. I have been following the Gcam thread for the Xperia 1ii having been very excited about it but it doesn't appear to be imminent any time soon (that's not a criticism at all, the guys trying to develop it sound amazing) so I'm wary about waiting more months to see if that comes good. I think I might pre order a Pixel and if I'm not enjoying it in the first 14 days, return it and go back to the Xperia.
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Thanks a lot for the feedback. I have been following the Gcam thread for the Xperia 1ii having been very excited about it but it doesn't appear to be imminent any time soon (that's not a criticism at all, the guys trying to develop it sound amazing) so I'm wary about waiting more months to see if that comes good. I think I might pre order a Pixel and if I'm not enjoying it in the first 14 days, return it and go back to the Xperia.
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You can check out the Gcam 5 thread. I find that it works pretty well (the MGC variant), but only for the main and selfie cameras. You may need to fiddle with the settings for best stability and results, though.
Based on my testing, the Pixel 4 produced better quality photos in almost every setting that wasn't perfectly lit. Sony grabs amazing detail in perfect lighting, but only in raw.
Unfortunately the two phones are apples and oranges. One's a manual shooter while the other's a point and click. Neither one is great at doing the other, seeing as Sony's post-processing is downright garbage. Gcam on the Sony would be nice, but it seems like development on this phone is completely dead. We don't even have a recompiled kernel yet, let alone a working Gcam 7.x.
Just know that the Pixel 5 will not have a 2x zoom lens. That's a big downgrade from the Pixel 4, where it made a huge difference.
nebula9 said:
Well, considering you've used the 1ii, you know that the form factor and processing power are quite good. You won't get either on the Pixel. The camera on the Pixel may be better set up for point and shoot, yes. I've found the 1ii's point and shooting abilities to be good, and of course you lose some of the benefits of manual RAW tweaking if that is up your alley. Further, the 1ii has a telephoto lens, while the P5 lacks one entirely, so if you like zooming in on stuff the Sony is the way to go. And there is absolutely no way you can store 122GB of music on a 128GB Pixel. Remember, a number of GB are taken up by the system (and then your apps).
As a former Pixel user, the Xperia has a different feel for its photos, being more neutral, for instance, but I've come to enjoy it. That said, the Pixel camera gets better night mode results. Still, a port of GCam is in the works (WHEN it may come is up in the air). Once it eventually comes out, the advantages of the Pixel will be available on the 1ii (so, let's go Arnova!)
(There is a GCam 5 you can check out, linked in some other posts, though I've found it to be hit or miss stability wise.)
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Just for information, Pixels also can shoot in RAW. Even my old Pixel 3 can do it.
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YandereSan said:
Based on my testing, the Pixel 4 produced better quality photos in almost every setting that wasn't perfectly lit. Sony grabs amazing detail in perfect lighting, but only in raw.
Unfortunately the two phones are apples and oranges. One's a manual shooter while the other's a point and click. Neither one is great at doing the other, seeing as Sony's post-processing is downright garbage. Gcam on the Sony would be nice, but it seems like development on this phone is completely dead. We don't even have a recompiled kernel yet, let alone a working Gcam 7.x.
Just know that the Pixel 5 will not have a 2x zoom lens. That's a big downgrade from the Pixel 4, where it made a huge difference.
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I can confirm exactly the same experience on my Pixel 4XL against Xperia 1 and 5 (apart from RAW part which is missing on those Sony phones). My Xperia failed to deliver good photos at not perfect light condition. Night shots were unusable without using a tripod. And yes, Sony's post-processing seems simply doesn't exist which is not wise idea when it comes to tiny lenses of smartphones. I guess that inability to implement proper post-processing led Sony to these fully Manual control camera-phones with reference to creativity etc . That's just pathetic, sorry.