So my buddy has told me he will sell me his moto x4 for 90 bucks. There's nothing wrong with it and I checked the specs from here and gsmarena but I still want user input. Is this a good buy? If so I'll be coming a Moto g6 play and if you have seen there's not alot of development for that device and it doesn't seem there be in the near future
ninjakira said:
So my buddy has told me he will sell me his moto x4 for 90 bucks. There's nothing wrong with it and I checked the specs from here and gsmarena but I still want user input. Is this a good buy? If so I'll be coming a Moto g6 play and if you have seen there's not alot of development for that device and it doesn't seem there be in the near future
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X4 Is a good choise go for it! if its in good condition Good Camera, Solid CPU and great Performance overall!
JustACuteWolf said:
X4 Is a good choise go for it! if its in good condition Good Camera, Solid CPU and great Performance overall!
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Camera is only with google camera king, stock cam has a terrible noise reduction algorithm haha
Hardware is great. Software is bad. It doesn't support call recording in Android pie OS, even with 3rd Application. For that you need rooting.
Thanks Guyd lol I had planned on using a Google camera apk anyway I hate Moto stock cam and I don't care about call recording tbh as long as I'm able to run pubg. And I don't so much about the software since there is clearly way more Dev support here than For my g6 play. I'll be part of the x4 family Wednesday ? screw this g6 play lmao
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frnds its very pathetic that even nokia lumia 525 which is a budget phone,got a fully manual controlled camera,y cant sony provide that? is there any such thing in the future update .....will be very very happy if it provides shuttter speed and focus in complete manual state......tq in advance
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frnds its very pathetic that even nokia lumia 525 which is a budget phone,got a fully manual controlled camera,y cant sony provide that? is there any such thing in the future update .....will be very very happy if it provides shuttter speed and focus in complete manual state......tq in advance
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Nobody knows except for the people at Sony. As you said, it's a future update, and since we haven't figured out time traveling yet be patient and hope that it will come in a future update.
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Nobody knows except for the people at Sony. As you said, it's a future update, and since we haven't figured out time traveling yet be patient and hope that it will come in a future update.
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yeahh tanku frnd.....and i hope ,theres nothing to work with the hardware for the manual contorls...coz an osm camera with a stpd software dsnt be the top notch
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yeahh tanku frnd.....and i hope ,theres nothing to work with the hardware for the manual contorls...coz an osm camera with a stpd software dsnt be the top notch
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Also, protip:
If you want to be taken seriously here on XDA; dnt typ l13k thi3s. Just at least try to type proper English.
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Also, protip:
If you want to be taken seriously here on XDA; dnt typ l13k thi3s. Just at least try to type proper English.
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ok friend thanks for your advice
B1nny said:
Also, protip:
If you want to be taken seriously here on XDA; dnt typ l13k thi3s. Just at least try to type proper English.
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Sorry B1nny but I'm pretty sure English isn't his first language and tbh he's doing a pretty good job of getting his point across with a limited vocabulary?
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What he's using is sms speak. That's usually a big no-no even in Indian forums.
dineshmega007 said:
frnds its very pathetic that even nokia lumia 525 which is a budget phone,got a fully manual controlled camera,y cant sony provide that? is there any such thing in the future update .....will be very very happy if it provides shuttter speed and focus in complete manual state......tq in advance
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For some context, he's referring to the nokia pro cam app. This actually takes fiddling to acquire, use of proxy servers and what not to download. But it does provide manual focus and a shutter speed as long as 4s on a budget device. The best the Z1 can manage is 0.8s.
How well it works on said device is up to debate. 520, 620 are a bit underpowered. 720 and up from what i can tell is ok. Reviews as to performance on lower end devices are hard to come by, mostly people bragging they got it on their phone bla bla. It's not going to make a low end camera perform like a high end one. You will still get low end shots but the ease of use is welcome.
The only use i can see for manual focus is at night when its hard to auto focus or macro shots.
The nokia pro cam app is excellent otherwise in terms of ease of use. Everything you would ever want.
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What he's using is sms speak. That's usually a big no-no even in Indian forums.
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This.
dineshmega007 said:
frnds its very pathetic that even nokia lumia 525 which is a budget phone,got a fully manual controlled camera,y cant sony provide that? is there any such thing in the future update .....will be very very happy if it provides shuttter speed and focus in complete manual state......tq in advance
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Because there is a thing called Google play store, and you can easily download the camera app you want to get these functionality and Lumia doesn't, so they have to make one themselves...
Show me an app that can do manual focusing and set the shutter speed please
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One Twelve said:
What he's using is sms speak. That's usually a big no-no even in Indian forums.
For some context, he's referring to the nokia pro cam app. This actually takes fiddling to acquire, use of proxy servers and what not to download. But it does provide manual focus and a shutter speed as long as 4s on a budget device. The best the Z1 can manage is 0.8s.
How well it works on said device is up to debate. 520, 620 are a bit underpowered. 720 and up from what i can tell is ok. Reviews as to performance on lower end devices are hard to come by, mostly people bragging they got it on their phone bla bla. It's not going to make a low end camera perform like a high end one. You will still get low end shots but the ease of use is welcome.
The only use i can see for manual focus is at night when its hard to auto focus or macro shots.
The nokia pro cam app is excellent otherwise in terms of ease of use. Everything you would ever want.
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ya friend what you said is correct...but nokia 1020 is like a dslr and z1 is like a digital cam,which 1 do you prefer? im not telling z1 is bad,but would be very happy if sony could provide manual controls like shutter speed and focus control....becacouse they let you take stunning images,i hope u understood what i meant...and theres no camera app in play store that provides manual focus ,only we can do is touch to focus,focus lock and infinity focus ec-camera fv-5...and thank you
1020 or Z1 ? The pricing for the 1020 in India is ridiculous, more expensive than the note 3 (!)..lol
Depends what your priorities are. People do not choose a phone based on just the camera. There are a number of other factors that come into play as well. At the flagship level i'd prefer the Z1. As the gap is closer.
At the Rs.15-18k level nothing to beat the 720 for camera. But you have to compromise on OS. The low to mid range lumias are vfm, every one of them has a real GPS and is dual band wifi with the exception of 720. Hardware wise they are better than android.
Just have to accept that WP is more limited than android for now. A year or two later the ecosystem will be more mature. For now its just the basics : phone, camera, internet, media player, offline maps. Some games. Anything more is pushing it.
What i would like to see is the ability to set a custom WB, no camera phone offers that as yet.
Hello Everyone,
After hearing of the cyber monday deal, I've decided to make the switch from my Nexus 4 to the Moto X. KitKat and active notifications --not to mention the amazing battery life I've been hearing about-- have been enticing me for weeks. Now that I can feasibly get it off contract, I'm gonna go ahead and pull the trigger.
My one and only reservation is the camera. I've heard some bad stuff to be sure; however, I've also read somewhere that things have gotten considerably better after an update (kitkat, perhaps?). I also read that there was a new isolated motorola camera app released through the play store recently. Has the camera IQ improved since launch? Not concerned about the app functionality itself --- rather wondering if the image output is more consistent, if the software correction is better, etc.
Thanks in advance! Can't wait to get one of these things...
Got my answer...
If any of the some 67 people who viewed my post are interested in the same question, MKBHD's new Nexus 5/Moto X comparison video sheds some light:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMFLeoDx6J4
short answer for those who don't care to watch it: yes, the camera has been much improved by the new camera update app.
Well, looks like I'm going to have a Moto X soon.
Good video, thanks for posting it. The camera demo for the Moto X was not KitKat. The KitKat version shows a focus/exposure "recticle" in the view finder (also, the status bar close up still had the blue JB icons). That is one of my favorite improvements to the camera. The JB Moto X camera did not have an exposure control, the KitKat version does. Overall the pictures are better in KK on the Moto X.
Besides battery, the camera seems to be the biggest dividing factor. How much can updates improve a camera after launch?
Also, what about apps from the store. I don't mind using a 3rd party app for the camera if it's better.
Basically, hardware vs software for the camera?
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Besides battery, the camera seems to be the biggest dividing factor. How much can updates improve a camera after launch?
Also, what about apps from the store. I don't mind using a 3rd party app for the camera if it's better.
Basically, hardware vs software for the camera?
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nothing is going to fix the narrow field of view that the camera has. but everything else is software, which can be updated. the only way an app is going to make things better is if the app is able to process the image on its own. if you want to learn a bit more on it, the latest android central podcast, episode 203, talks about why they think the moto camera is never as good as it should be.
J_Bone said:
Besides battery, the camera seems to be the biggest dividing factor. How much can updates improve a camera after launch?
Also, what about apps from the store. I don't mind using a 3rd party app for the camera if it's better.
Basically, hardware vs software for the camera?
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nothing is going to fix the narrow field of view that the camera has. but everything else is software, which can be updated. the only way an app is going to make things better is if the app is able to process the image on its own. if you want to learn a bit more on it, the latest android central podcast, episode 203, talks about why they think the moto camera is never as good as it should be.
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Android Police and other sites did a breakdown of Android L awhile back. Guess what they found? A lot of Camera APIs. So most likely Google finally improved camera software which would definitely help the camera. In terms of hardware, the camera sensor is the same as in the G2 and G3, and those phones take good photos. It must be a software issue, since 4.4.4 isn't that good with images
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...image-capture-photographers-everywhere-cheer/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...bles-burst-mode-thorough-control-photos-much/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8274/understanding-androids-camera-hal3
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Android Police and other sites did a breakdown of Android L awhile back. Guess what they found? A lot of Camera APIs. So most likely Google finally improved camera software which would definitely help the camera. In terms of hardware, the camera sensor is the same as in the G2 and G3, and those phones take good photos. It must be a software issue, since 4.4.4 isn't that good with images
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...image-capture-photographers-everywhere-cheer/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...bles-burst-mode-thorough-control-photos-much/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8274/understanding-androids-camera-hal3
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it is more than that though. the oems do not have to use those apis. and those apis really don't have anything to do with the convesion from light to a pic. this is why i referred to the podcast. here is how it was explained. a camera sensor pics up light. and it is up to the firmware to take that data and turn it into a picture. this firmware is not the api. and moto could license better firmware to give us better pics... but from the looks of it they would rather save some cash. it does not matter that the sensor is the same 'sensor' that is in the gs4, g2, and g3. the 'lenses' are most definitely different and the firmware that converts the light into a pic i also very different from that in the lg and samsung.
i think moto will improve upon it just as they did the last moto x. but i don't think it will ever take as good of pics as the g3.
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it is more than that though. the oems do not have to use those apis. and those apis really don't have anything to do with the convesion from light to a pic. this is why i referred to the podcast. here is how it was explained. a camera sensor pics up light. and it is up to the firmware to take that data and turn it into a picture. this firmware is not the api. and moto could license better firmware to give us better pics... but from the looks of it they would rather save some cash. it does not matter that the sensor is the same 'sensor' that is in the gs4, g2, and g3. the 'lenses' are most definitely different and the firmware that converts the light into a pic i also very different from that in the lg and samsung.
i think moto will improve upon it just as they did the last moto x. but i don't think it will ever take as good of pics as the g3.
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since this is the case, Moto spending money for the license will up the price in the Moto X, which I think is not what they wanted to do. also, LG, HTC, Sony, and Samsung will most likely not sell their licenses since that is what makes them produce the best pic quality by their standards. maybe old licenses would be sold? even then, I wouldn't want competition to use my stuff. other companies may not want to sell either, so Moto would have to research themselves, which takes more time and more money which will get passed onto the consumer
off topic: so based on what you're saying, maybe that's why the Nexus does not have really good pic quality. imo, Google could still fix it up in L, which will also be passed down to Moto X since it is on vanilla Android. Google did say they want the Nexus line to eventually have a good camera experience, and L may be an answer to that. I am sure Google can incorporate the firmware in for converting light
Ok, I'll admit it. I had high hopes. I loved my trusty Moto X like a apple phanboi loves Steve Jobs memes. It was the most usable and intuitive phone I've ever used. It was also just the right size. However. The camera ...ahmm...uhhmmm... Sucks. It's terrible and awful and slow. So when my trusty Moto X dove headfirst into the tile and said goodbye to life I decided that the only other option in the right weight class was the Z3c. PLUS, WHOOPPEE.. I'd get a jolly good camera upgrade out of the deal. Yay me!
Now after 2 weeks of trying to convince myself that the camera is great I have to tell the truth. It's mediocre. Or maybe I have a sliver of hope left... Maybe it's just a software problem. Maybe it can be resurrected by a really good aftermarket camera app. I've tried CameraZoom and it has some neat features and I "feel like" the shutter lag is a millisecond less... Maybe.
Has anyone found a zippy and fantastical camera app that will help me get over the feeling that I wasted 2 weeks on international shipping and $530 on a pretty decent 2012 phone?
Puhleeese?
Thanks!
Chad
Chad_H said:
Ok, I'll admit it. I had high hopes. I loved my trusty Moto X like a apple phanboi loves Steve Jobs memes. It was the most usable and intuitive phone I've ever used. It was also just the right size. However. The camera ...ahmm...uhhmmm... Sucks. It's terrible and awful and slow. So when my trusty Moto X dove headfirst into the tile and said goodbye to life I decided that the only other option in the right weight class was the Z3c. PLUS, WHOOPPEE.. I'd get a jolly good camera upgrade out of the deal. Yay me!
Now after 2 weeks of trying to convince myself that the camera is great I have to tell the truth. It's mediocre. Or maybe I have a sliver of hope left... Maybe it's just a software problem. Maybe it can be resurrected by a really good aftermarket camera app. I've tried CameraZoom and it has some neat features and I "feel like" the shutter lag is a millisecond less... Maybe.
Has anyone found a zippy and fantastical camera app that will help me get over the feeling that I wasted 2 weeks on international shipping and $530 on a pretty decent 2012 phone?
Puhleeese?
Thanks!
Chad
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Google camera? The hardware is brand new btw. It's just the camera that isn't completely up to date. But it still makes some great pictures I think. It's not the best camera on the market but when you use it in manual mode it can make some good pictures.
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Now after 2 weeks of trying to convince myself that the camera is great I have to tell the truth. It's mediocre. Or maybe I have a sliver of hope left... Maybe it's just a software problem. Maybe it can be resurrected by a really good aftermarket camera app. I've tried CameraZoom and it has some neat features and I "feel like" the shutter lag is a millisecond less... Maybe.
Has anyone found a zippy and fantastical camera app that will help me get over the feeling that I wasted 2 weeks on international shipping and $530 on a pretty decent 2012 phone?
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I have tried a few apps, but the particular flaws I find annoying (the sharpening and general over processing) are still there. However, the color balance seem better in some other apps, like google camera and snap camera, and possibly slightly sharper detail. But these are all subjective opinions, it's not like I have done a proper test in controlled conditions. Definitely worth checking out tho!
I'm hoping for the RAW capabilities in Android 5, and ensuing apps, to solve this problem.
As some of you might be aware Google's awesome camera software with HDR+ was ported to devices running Snapdragon 820/821/835 devices. Now I know for fact we couldn't port that version to our Moto X. Even if could it would cook our CPUs.
But what about the older version of HDR+ that's on the Nexus 6? Can it be ported? It makes a huuuuugggggggeeeee difference in the quality on photos like night and day. Google's photo processing is leaps and bounds better than any other.
Been wondering this for a while as well. I believe it could be done.
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Been wondering this for a while as well. I believe it could be done.
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Do you know which Snapdragon 800/801 device has the biggest development scene? Maybe prodding over there would be better, if it works for them it will work for us.
Are you talking about the oneplus one? I loved using the old version of google camera and would even like a 3+ version available to everyone. I wonder why google would limit the app exposure?
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Do you know which Snapdragon 800/801 device has the biggest development scene? Maybe prodding over there would be better, if it works for them it will work for us.
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