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http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/04/in-depth-with-the-snapdragon-810s-heat-problems/
This articles above shows that you don't always get what you paid for when you buy the newest bleeding edge tech. It's about the the thermal throttling in the Snapdragon 800 series SoC's. The good ones the bad ones and it def hows a pattern of things being worse off during the beginning of a number in the in the "x" placement ----> 8x0.
Seems like big buyers are being experimented with a bit, tisk, tisk.
Now let's discuss
I would like to see this test redone with all SoCs undervolted as far as they will go.
I just want to add 2 things to this discussion:
1) Every mobile device will throttle at some point. This is the only way the SoC is able to manage its temperatures in a device that has zero active cooling. Either the user stops using the phone and it cools down or they continue using it and it will throttle.
2) It is the phone manufacturer's responsibility to design a phone and chassis that can support the thermal requirements of the SoC they have chosen for their device. If a phone over heats or the SoC is so throttled that it can never reach it's maximum clock speed (such as the Snapdragon 810 in the HTC M9) then the phone was designed poorly (based on the required specifications) and they should have chosen a lower power SoC.
I can't understand what manufacturers are looking for when they pack such CPUs in their flagship phones: the speed of a SD 801 is still cutting edge, and it has been the only chip capable of combining acceptable power consumption with top performance lately.
I'm a N5 owner, and really can't complain about speed, but that is just because CPU-intensive tasks, like rendering a webpage or opening an app, often last for just a few seconds, during which the phone doesn't heat up enough for thermal throttling to intervene. I rarely play games with my phone.
If Qualcomm focussed on reducing power consumption in the last couple of years, instead of searching for overly high performances, now we'd probably have phones with the SD 800's speed, but lasting two days, and with consistent performances during every kind of usage.
Damn it Qua!comm instead of jamming reference cores in to chips get cracking optimizing drivers to get more performance out of existing products. The Adreno driver overhead is embrassing.
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I can't understand what manufacturers are looking for when they pack such CPUs in their flagship phones: the speed of a SD 801 is still cutting edge, and it has been the only chip capable of combining acceptable power consumption with top performance lately.
I'm a N5 owner, and really can't complain about speed, but that is just because CPU-intensive tasks, like rendering a webpage or opening an app, often last for just a few seconds, during which the phone doesn't heat up enough for thermal throttling to intervene. I rarely play games with my phone.
If Qualcomm focussed on reducing power consumption in the last couple of years, instead of searching for overly high performances, now we'd probably have phones with the SD 800's speed, but lasting two days, and with consistent performances during every kind of usage.
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The Exynos 7420 delivers better performance, better thermal management and better efficiency.
thermal throttle, whats that?? ive disabled thermal throttle on every nexus thats ever had it, since the n4 that's the n4, n5, and now n6. but the n6 is the best at not getting hot. as i cant get it over 82C ever.
The problem is and it applies to terrible battery life is thin phones. We just do not need skinny phones. It's like women. We have been brainwashed into thinking thin phones and thin women are both sexy. I dislike women with a toastrack ribcage and would love my nexus 5 to be twice as thick. No throttling and huge battery life...
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The Exynos 7420 delivers better performance, better thermal management and better efficiency.
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Only because its on 14nm, if it would be built on 20nm it would throttle down just like the sd810. This isn't so much qualcomm's fault as it is arm's fault, the a53/a57 cores are simply too power hungry, the sd805 with a7/a15 cores barely gets throttled at 20nm.
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The problem is and it applies to terrible battery life is thin phones. We just do not need skinny phones. It's like women. We have been brainwashed into thinking thin phones and thin women are both sexy. I dislike women with a toastrack ribcage and would love my nexus 5 to be twice as thick. No throttling and huge battery life...
Sent from my Nexus 5
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I agree with the battery part... As for women I like a nice toned women.
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Only because its on 14nm, if it would be built on 20nm it would throttle down just like the sd810. This isn't so much qualcomm's fault as it is arm's fault, the a53/a57 cores are simply too power hungry, the sd805 with a7/a15 cores barely gets throttled at 20nm.
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your post conflicts by itself lol.
Also the 805 is a krait 400(or 500 can´t remember) architeture based on the a50 (the 800/801 are a15, and the 400 is based on the a7 with some variants based on the a9). Basicly the 805 runs a proprietary cpu architeture made after the a50 one, with the armv8 instruction set.
However the 810 runs the a51/53 instruction set, with no modifications, straight from ARM.and that´s something qualcomm didnt do for a long time,and as we can see the 810 WAS rushed to the market(the whole 64bit race)
Now for the thread, talking about the 800 series (since its what we have),it seems to have a good performance-heat ratio,however we feel it on our nexus due to poor thermal design, in the case of the n4/n5 the shield used to spread the heat don´t even touch the SOC lmao.
Talking qualcomm in general, i cant understand why they still have fails, having more than 15years of experience (10+ being with their own custom cores) i would expect them to not have these issues, but they still do.Also not going back much to the past, see the snap S4 gen 1 series(i.e the krait 200 variants, USA´S S3, Nexus 4 and such), they also have hw bugs(for instance, only the first core can go to fully deep sleep), thats something i would expect for a new player, not one with 15 years of experience(to make things even worse, qualcomm has been on the ARM market pretty much since the ARM arch/instruction set came out)
Also to OP, the 615,610,410,210 are all good socs, so the YXY pattern isn´t something here
However i must remember you guys, the one to blame here after all IS qualcomm, we dont have fully documentations and technical details or for most of you(including me) fully understanding of how a cpu is made / works but the a51 / 53 cores itself are fine, one player to see its the exynos 7220 on the s6, it runs a MALI gpu(which is from ARM,) and runs a53/51 architeture with a few modifications(not to the arch itself, but to the chip, make more thermal efficient, support samsung own branded chips, modems ,etc) and it runs better than the 810.
Also what made the 810 look worse is the drivers, adreno drivers sucks (sorry for the word, but this is more of a rant), my 4 year old MALI 400MP gpu haves about the same performance as my 2013´s adreno 330 (s3 exynos 4420 + mali 400mp vs nexus 5 snap 800 + adreno 330)
@opssemnik No way your mali 400MP is faster than an andreno 330
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@opssemnik No way your mali 400MP is faster than an andreno 330
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It really isnt in raw power or optmized games(gta sa and the newest NFS)but on the rest(even gta vice city) my s3 can keep up, and in fact due to better thermal design it can outstand the n5 after some time of playing
Nothing wrong with toned. But this craze of super thin is crazy. As for batteries if some one had come out with a replacement back with a huge battery inthat sloped to the camera that clipped in to replace the other I'd of been in heaven. My Nexus is in a heavy Spiegen case and I'm always amazed how skinny it is when I take it out to clean. I prefer it in the case. Feels better built
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Hello,
Why Nexus6 has a 32-bit processor in the 64-bit world ? (when a 64-bit processor is available - Snapdragon 810). Is there any particular reason ?
Thanks.
aniyan.rajan6 said:
Hello,
Why Nexus6 has a 32-bit processor in the 64-bit world ? (when a 64-bit processor is available - Snapdragon 810). Is there any particular reason ?
Thanks.
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it was released before 810 was out
billycar11 said:
it was released before 810 was out
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okay. I mean why did Nexus6 stick to the 32-bit architecture, when there are other 64-bit processors available ? Is there any reason ?
Because...
The Nexus 6 was built BEFORE the 64-bit processor was released.
There's no further explanation to give you. That's why.
iRub1Out said:
Because...
The Nexus 6 was built BEFORE the 64-bit processor was released.
There's no further explanation to give you. That's why.
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You mean there were no 64-bit processors of any brand available for the Smart Phones, before the release date - October 2014 ?
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You mean there were no 64-bit processors of any brand available for the Smart Phones, before the release date - October 2014 ?
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Most apps aren`t even optimised for 64-bit cpu`s. Your worry`s are pointless atm Its not like the phone would be twice as fast or do things half the speed of the 64 bit version.
aniyan.rajan6 said:
You mean there were no 64-bit processors of any brand available for the Smart Phones, before the release date - October 2014 ?
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Yes!
danarama said:
Yes!
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okay, I wasn't aware of that. For some reason, I completely ignored the Small Devices Technology, after 2008. So I started learning now, even though its late. I will use my phone for the Software Development too, so not considering any other phone for this purpose.
I need 2 phones actually. So I think I will buy a Nexus6 within 2 days. Then I will order a 2015 release in October 2015 (for my wife). Is it worth waiting ?
Yayuh
aniyan.rajan6 said:
Hello,
Why Nexus6 has a 32-bit processor in the 64-bit world ? (when a 64-bit processor is available - Snapdragon 810). Is there any particular reason ?
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Here is a more important question: Why would you want an underperforming 64 bit chip that was rushed to market when there is a high performing 32bit chip available? 810 has the ability to beat the 805, but only within the first ONE SECOND of process execution, before heat causes the 810 to throttle back. Long running processes run faster on the 805.
Here is the thing about 64bit: It is ONLY beneficial when you are performing a lot of math on *incredibly* large numbers, such as those numbers you deal with in video encode/decode, or cryptography.... all of which is [supposed to be] performed on *dedicated hardware* that is a hell of a lot wider than 64bit. Obviously, with the cryptography part, we are a little bit screwed over, since the FDE we get is software-only. Still wondering if/when Google will choose to enable the hwcrypto.
Also just to be contradictory, the 810 was most certainly available on the timeline required for Nexus 6, it just wasn't chosen.
The story of the SD810: One day, without warning or reason, apple decided "lets 64bit, it sounds impressive and our customers are too dumb to realize that its a total gimmick". So they did. This left all the other chip makers, like Qualcomm, sitting there wondering what to do. 64bit is a hell of a bit of free marketing, even if it doesn't actually benefit anyone. So on that very day, everybody, including Qualcomm, started to RUSH to arrange for a 64bit chip, just so they wouldn't lose all of *their* dumb customers too.
Qualcomm took a shortcut on the SD810. Unlike the several generations of 32bit chips they produced, using in-house designes, like Scorpion and Krait, they went with *reference designs* called the "Cortex-A53" and "Cortex-A57". Cortex chips like the A15 have historically been pretty power hungry and hot running. Fine for a large device like a tablet, but somewhat lacking on a phone. This would be OK for a short run, just to get *something* out the door, but long run, it just wouldn't do... Fortunately, these chips would only have to fill in for a year while they got their own custom designs in order. While they aren't *terrible* chips, they are not as good as the 805.
Timeline for the next Nexus phone after the 6, is inline with the next iteration of Qualcomm in-house core designs, the SD820. That will end up being the first 64bit chip worth actually owning.
doitright said:
Here is a more important question: Why would you want an underperforming 64 bit chip that was rushed to market when there is a high performing 32bit chip available? 810 has the ability to beat the 805, but only within the first ONE SECOND of process execution, before heat causes the 810 to throttle back. Long running processes run faster on the 805.
Here is the thing about 64bit: It is ONLY beneficial when you are performing a lot of math on *incredibly* large numbers, such as those numbers you deal with in video encode/decode, or cryptography.... all of which is [supposed to be] performed on *dedicated hardware* that is a hell of a lot wider than 64bit. Obviously, with the cryptography part, we are a little bit screwed over, since the FDE we get is software-only. Still wondering if/when Google will choose to enable the hwcrypto.
Also just to be contradictory, the 810 was most certainly available on the timeline required for Nexus 6, it just wasn't chosen.
The story of the SD810: One day, without warning or reason, apple decided "lets 64bit, it sounds impressive and our customers are too dumb to realize that its a total gimmick". So they did. This left all the other chip makers, like Qualcomm, sitting there wondering what to do. 64bit is a hell of a bit of free marketing, even if it doesn't actually benefit anyone. So on that very day, everybody, including Qualcomm, started to RUSH to arrange for a 64bit chip, just so they wouldn't lose all of *their* dumb customers too.
Qualcomm took a shortcut on the SD810. Unlike the several generations of 32bit chips they produced, using in-house designes, like Scorpion and Krait, they went with *reference designs* called the "Cortex-A53" and "Cortex-A57". Cortex chips like the A15 have historically been pretty power hungry and hot running. Fine for a large device like a tablet, but somewhat lacking on a phone. This would be OK for a short run, just to get *something* out the door, but long run, it just wouldn't do... Fortunately, these chips would only have to fill in for a year while they got their own custom designs in order. While they aren't *terrible* chips, they are not as good as the 805.
Timeline for the next Nexus phone after the 6, is inline with the next iteration of Qualcomm in-house core designs, the SD820. That will end up being the first 64bit chip worth actually owning.
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This is probably the most perfect way I've ever seen that explained.
Kudos, sir. Kudos.
As of right now, If I could pick any phone in the world I would still choose the Nexus 6.
I am considering the possibility of trying to replace the SD801 with a new Snapdragon SoC.
I am fully aware that it could be nearly impossible to physically remove from the motherboard, but if I figure out a way to put in a newer processor, would it even work?
Would there be conflictions with the software, being 32 bit vs a newer 64 bit processor, etc?
Has anyone heard of this being done on any device before?
Well, the N6 uses a Snapdragon 805, not an 801, so there you go in that regard. The 805 is the last 32-bit SoC Qualcomm made, and I believe all subsequent chips from Qualcomm, from their entry level processors to the forthcoming 845, are 64-bit. This presents a huge technological hurdle. Assuming that it was possible to create a board that could interface with the 805's solder pads that the 64-bit SoC could sit upon, the new SoC may well end up being slower than an untouched board. The board only has a 32-bit address bus while the chip has a 64-bit address bus. Half the lines in the address bus would remain unused, which hinders performance. Think of it as being like the old Intel 286 processor for the PC. The 286 internally was a 32-bit processor, but it only had a 16-bit address bus which negatively impacted performance as the limited size of the address bus created a data bottleneck. The 386 would resolve this issue by increasing the address bus size.
Assuming you could bypass the technological hurdle, you then have a software hurdle. The existing kernel for the N6 wouldn't work with the new SoC, so you'd have to create a new one from scratch with support for the new SoC included as well as support for all the N6's existing hardware. The version of Android compiled will end up being 32-bit, as the main gain from switching to a 64-bit processor is the ability to address 4GB or more of RAM, which the N6 does not have. If you built a 64-bit version of Android performance would be reduced further due to the address bus issue.
People in China have replaced lower capacity flash memory with higher capacity versions, but never a SoC.
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/galaxy-note-9-benchmarks,news-27773.html
I wonder about these tests although it's really comparing apples to oranges with different CPU and OS but some things can't lie, and the tests are designed to be platform independent.
I gotta say I'm slightly disappointed the snapdragon 845 performs poorer in comparison... And supposedly the Exynos version this year performs worse than the snapdragon, which is a first.
Ask me if I care??
Do you care?
nah lol
They specifically only showed the benchmarks where iPhone X beats the note. There are also many where it's the other way around and by a large margin. And anyways the note 8 still beats almost everything for everyday usage if you look at some of the real life speed test comparisons on Youtube, and also it's still the best at memory management.
herandy said:
They specifically only showed the benchmarks where iPhone X beats the note. There are also many where it's the other way around and by a large margin. And anyways the note 8 still beats almost everything for everyday usage if you look at some of the real life speed test comparisons on Youtube, and also it's still the best at memory management.
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Hey if you want subway surfers to launch in 2.453 seconds the I phone X is for you. If you can spare the extra 1.123 seconds the note9 does everything else better. ?
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IPhone x is better only at the first test, when the benchmark test is run by 4 times in a row to mimick gaming, it is on of the worst devices and gets hot while the note only loses like 4-5% of performance, note 8 lost 10% or so. Don't know where I read it but someone tested it out
Benchmarks isn't the end all be all. Basically if you want a phone that scores high benchmarks then the iPhone is for you.
I'm going to use the Note 9 for the features that it has. For the customization that I can do it. The multitasking/multiple apps I can have open.
I have iDevices, you can do some multitasking, but ios doesn't compare to Android for my needs.
I will leave this here.
Speed tests are irrelevant now. Most phones these days, even budget android phones, are way faster than they have been ever before. You get what you are paying for and millisecond differences in App opening doesn't mean anything at all in real world usage. But functionality, features, and style on the other hand, is what sets Samsung phones apart from apple.
AnTuTu makes the iPhoneX look like a joke next to the Note9. Geek Bench is one of the ONLY ones that the iPhone X wins on.
funkydude101 said:
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/galaxy-note-9-benchmarks,news-27773.html
I wonder about these tests although it's really comparing apples to oranges with different CPU and OS but some things can't lie, and the tests are designed to be platform independent.
I gotta say I'm slightly disappointed the snapdragon 845 performs poorer in comparison... And supposedly the Exynos version this year performs worse than the snapdragon, which is a first.
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Samsung really messed things up with the Exynos 9810 chipset. In an effort to match iPhone's Single Core speed they ended up with a processor that runs hot and abnormally high battery drain. Hopefully the new water-carbon cooling system will overcome these deficiencies. You're lucky to have ended up with the Snapdragon variant, it eclipses the Exynos and iPhone A11 in a majority of benchmark tests.
Only the uneducated will get their panties in a twist with these tests that are rather stupid. Yeah, you might be comparing one phone to another by using one score type, but how you get to the score is different for each phone. Almost ALL benchmark tests run different algorithms between iPhones and Androids. It is actually not possible to statistically compare them together. It sure makes for a great headline grabber though.
I always go bouncing between Apple and Samsung phones(mostly Note series). Not because I can't choose one over the other, but because I just like phones in general and I'm a tech geek.
These tests are stupid, because Apple said it themselves...it's not speed that makes a great phone, it's how you use it. And to me, the complete experience that Samsung has brought to me personally, in the form of the Note series, simply can't be matched by Apple right now! Geekbench scores can show an iPhone scoring 5 times as high as my Note 9, and I would still by my Note 9 because of my user experience.
People get so caught up with the useless numbers.
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Only the uneducated will get their panties in a twist with these tests that are rather stupid. Yeah, you might be comparing one phone to another by using one score type, but how you get to the score is different for each phone. Almost ALL benchmark tests run different algorithms between iPhones and Androids. It is actually not possible to statistically compare them together. It sure makes for a great headline grabber though.
I always go bouncing between Apple and Samsung phones(mostly Note series). Not because I can't choose one over the other, but because I just like phones in general and I'm a tech geek.
These tests are stupid, because Apple said it themselves...it's not speed that makes a great phone, it's how you use it. And to me, the complete experience that Samsung has brought to me personally, in the form of the Note series, simply can't be matched by Apple right now! Geekbench scores can show an iPhone scoring 5 times as high as my Note 9, and I would still by my Note 9 because of my user experience.
People get so caught up with the useless numbers.
I used to own an iphone 8 plus. Mobile phones are built to be useful for life of a person. Okay, iphone a11 chip is a beast but what can you do EXCLUSIVELY, NOT AVAIBLE FOR OTHER ANDROID PHONES in iphone? NOTHING.
But i can do these on my NOTE 9:
1) Take notes easily, draw for fun without any lag and sharing is smooth. No crushes..
2) Access every every details of settings. I can easily disable GPS with one tap.
3) Google services are naturally more integrigated.
4) I can see all the details of my photos. I can shoot raw, i can shoot manually.
5) Thanks to edge screen, my favourite apps are one tap away.
6) Charging is way faster, charging cable and adapter is included.
7) AKG and ICONX earbuds came for free with Note 9 pre-sale.
8) VPN connection is faster. Doesnt drop. I can see diagnosis of inbound speed.
9) 128 gb + Samsung cloud (15gb) + Dropbox + Google Drive. Cloud services are all integrated.
10) 960 fps mode, ultra ultra slow.
11) Take selfies with the cool s-pen.
12) Translate words with the cool s-pen.
13) I know that SAMSUNG will not slow my phone without warning.
etc etc...
Believe me or not, i used both iphone and note 9, i feel EXACTLY NO DIFFERENT in terms of speed. They are both fast. Benchmarks are no important for me. I chose the free life with no worries. I am in love with Note 9.
Another reason is because Geekbench algorithm for iPhone uses Vulcan whereas it hasn't been updated for Android phones that use the Vulcan graphic processing.
Why dont we all gather , and file a complaint against samsung for intentionally clocking down and throttling the exynos 2100 against the sd888 even when exynos 2100 this year is capable , comparable to sd888 and moreover both are manufactured by samsung?
Samsung is again giving us an inferior experience in other markets vs US while charging similar / More
Lets complaint on twitter by tagging @samsungexynos and also on samsung members app ,
If you have any other alternative please comment down.
These 2 videos are the proof .
I disagree.
It'll be another 1-2 years before the Exynos can catch up to the SnapDragon.
The SD888 is more or less, IMO, comparable to the A14. It took a while for Qualcomm to catch-up.
In another 2 years, I expect the Exynos, SnapDragon, and A series to be more or less comparable.
Then, the game will heat-up in the laptop/mini-PC/server space.
You'll have to wait.
I can say that all those speed tests are meaningless.
I have Exynos and I am satisfied with everything so far.
Yes this year Exynos is not the same as SD888 but it is not behind by much compared to last year competition between exynos and sd and next year will be a gamechanger for Exynos since it is getting AMD gpu and improvements.
We all knew even before we bought the phone which processor it came with, in which country. Samsung did not say they were selling the SD888 in my country and then hand me an Exynos.
Also, nobody put a gun to my head and asked me to buy the phone. It's an open market and there are a hundred options available.
Exynos performance is not some breaking news that we just found out. We have seen Exynos processors for years on other phones, including last year's S20 series and know perfectly well what they are capable of and what the limitations are.
Despite all the above, if you still went ahead and bought the phone, it's on you. You knew perfectly well what you were buying. OnePlus 9 Pro was also available with the SD888 globally. You don't buy a phone only for it's processor. There is a lot more that goes into making a phone.
Personally I think the S21U (I have the Exynos) is the best phone I've ever used. Spent a week researching it before i bought it, used it in the showroom multiple times before dropping this kind of money and despite all the YouTube comparisons, decided I liked it more than the other available options and bought it. And I don't regret it.
Monopoly is bad in any industry and I'm glad there is another manufacturer challenging the dangerous dominance of Qualcomm in the Android arena. Exynos 2100 may not yet overcome the SD888 in terms of raw power, but it has narrowed the gap more than it has ever been. And it runs much cooler than the SD version, plus has significantly lower standby battery drain.
I'm not a Samsung fanboy, I dropped them and shifted to the iPhone and OnePlus after the Note 3 when their software was getting crappier with every update. Returned back only after I was convinced that OnePlus was on a downfall and Samsung software had improved over the years, and also that the E2100 was worth my money.
If you think Samsung is selling a "bad" processor in your country, speak with your wallet and don't buy it. Simple.
There's no point getting angry and ranting after buying the phone, knowing very well what you were getting.
Why do you think Samsung or any other company will change anything if you keep giving it money despite disagreeing with its policies?
Rants don't change a company's practices, the balance sheet does. For the next few years, don't buy Exynos. If enough people agree with you and do the same, and make a big enough dent on Samsung's profits, maybe they'll listen.
Otherwise all this petitioning business has been done countless times before and is a meaningless waste of time.
The exynos story is over exaggerated. I owned albeit previous gen tech a note 20 ultra in both exynos and snapdragon. They were both fine battery life and temp wise. Alas I didn’t game though.
Never judged much on speed tests on the internet. Real world usage is far more important
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We all knew even before we bought the phone which processor it came with, in which country. Samsung did not say they were selling the SD888 in my country and then hand me an Exynos.
Also, nobody put a gun to my head and asked me to buy the phone. It's an open market and there are a hundred options available.
Exynos performance is not some breaking news that we just found out. We have seen Exynos processors for years on other phones, including last year's S20 series and know perfectly well what they are capable of and what the limitations are.
Despite all the above, if you still went ahead and bought the phone, it's on you. You knew perfectly well what you were buying. OnePlus 9 Pro was also available with the SD888 globally. You don't buy a phone only for it's processor. There is a lot more that goes into making a phone.
Personally I think the S21U (I have the Exynos) is the best phone I've ever used. Spent a week researching it before i bought it, used it in the showroom multiple times before dropping this kind of money and despite all the YouTube comparisons, decided I liked it more than the other available options and bought it. And I don't regret it.
Monopoly is bad in any industry and I'm glad there is another manufacturer challenging the dangerous dominance of Qualcomm in the Android arena. Exynos 2100 may not yet overcome the SD888 in terms of raw power, but it has narrowed the gap more than it has ever been. And it runs much cooler than the SD version, plus has significantly lower standby battery drain.
I'm not a Samsung fanboy, I dropped them and shifted to the iPhone and OnePlus after the Note 3 when their software was getting crappier with every update. Returned back only after I was convinced that OnePlus was on a downfall and Samsung software had improved over the years, and also that the E2100 was worth my money.
If you think Samsung is selling a "bad" processor in your country, speak with your wallet and don't buy it. Simple.
There's no point getting angry and ranting after buying the phone, knowing very well what you were getting.
Why do you think Samsung or any other company will change anything if you keep giving it money despite disagreeing with its policies?
Rants don't change a company's practices, the balance sheet does. For the next few years, don't buy Exynos. If enough people agree with you and do the same, and make a big enough dent on Samsung's profits, maybe they'll listen.
Otherwise all this petitioning business has been done countless times before and is a meaningless waste of time.
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Well you might be correct at what u are saying .
My point is , this time exynos and sd888 are both manufactured by samsung using the same process and same cores.
Its just the calibration of cpu thats not unlocking the real power of exynos 2100.
All the tests show that exynos is continuesly throttling its cpu.
The large performance core which is supposed to be clocked at 3 ghz is always throttled to below 2.2 ghz even when the phone is cold.
Where as on sd888 the large performance core remains fully clocked at 2.9 ghz even after heating
I read a lot about the Exynos issues with the previous Samsung devices and was well aware of the possible difference between two versions of the S21 Ultra based on SD vs Exynos but in the end I got the phone anyway knowing I would get the Exynos version. So why is that Samsungs fault?
Also, I notice more heating issues are related to the SD version so maybe that is because SD is less careful and more aggressive about being the fastest. I have no heating issues and I can do everything the SD version can and as fast as I could possibly want. I do not see any performance issues using the device.
You had a choice to get the phone or get something else. It gets tiresome seeing posts "I bought this phone and I don't like X,Y and Z about it", nobody forced you to buy it.
And Youtube is not the source of scientific studies into processor performance you think it is, there are videos that show the Exynos is faster which invalidates the basis of your claim.
What I would prefer to rant about is that you cannot get a dual SIM S21 series in the US unless you import one from Europe etc (Exynos) or from Taiwan/Hong Kong (Snapdragon). I had to buy my Ultra from Amazon Germany and I love it so far. It also has a working eSIM which I have already used when travelling to avoid having to get a local SIM. That also meant I lost out on all the Samsung discounts on part exchange in the US.
And, of course, there is no international warranty with my phone.