Why are there no detailed reviews yet or camera reviews yet?! Usually Google allows reviewers with early access to publish.
I wonder if it's bad news...? It's already been a week.
It's not released until Thursday - and later in the US, which is still the headline market. There are clearly two embargos, one on unboxings and 'first thoughts', which already passed over the weekend, and a second on full reviews including things like camera samples/comparisons, which is still in effect until (at least) sometime later this week.
We know that many YouTubers have the phone(s) at this point, and it's not unreasonable to guess that the big boys (Verge, MKBHD, etc.) have already had it for a week or two.
Yeah, full reviews/comparisons are embargoed. It's sort of weird to me that they've embargoed it when they're launching in europe next week and they're already sold out. What's the point anymore?
My understanding is that the software is not complete yet. At least one unboxing/ initial hands on mentioned that the camera app is missing the new features cinematic pan etc. Google don't want people reviewing the camera when it's not the final software.
Thanks for the info. Can pick up my Sorta Sage on Thursday this week! Very excited to test it out!
This guy's shows some samples compared to the pixel 4
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Sorry guys, you might know this already but the update for WP7 have been delayed and I have a feeling it's going to be delayed even further (because the carriers may want to do their thing with it too).
They're now saying it's AT LEAST a month away, maybe more, due to CDMA compatibility.
Source: http://wmpoweruser.com/two-windows-phone-7-updates-coming-before-mid-year/
The update may be just around the corner. I saw a knowledgde base article for troubleshooting the update process.
Here check it out.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2484484
Truthfully, the part that pisses me off is the lack of providing any real date or time frame at all. It seems to me that most of this (when the update is coming) is speculation based on really good guesses and small hints people find. And MSFT thinks it's ok to just leave us lingering and guessing while all the while, people continue to talk more crap about how they've done a terrible job thus far (even thought I don't feel totally that way). The only way I see this being ok is if I plug in my phone after typing this message and all of a sudden I see an update is available today Doubt it though
nitroxn said:
The update may be just around the corner. I saw a knowledgde base article for troubleshooting the update process.
Here check it out.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2484484
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I don't mean to be a buzzkill but I don't think that's a good indication that the update is coming soon. "just around the corner" is also subjective to some that may mean in a week, to others that may mean in a few months.
For me I wish the update was here already.
WP7 takes some getting used to, but I've given my EVO and Nexus a much needed rest. I grew to absolutely love the interface on WP7! It's so fluid, and the performance is so consistent, I've yet to see my HD7 slow down at all.
The first update is supposed to bring a lot of change and I'm really anxious see how MS does, because this will be an solid indication of how serious they take WP7 which seems to be pretty serious. We'll see though.
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I don't mean to be a buzzkill but I don't think that's a good indication that the update is coming soon. "just around the corner" is also subjective to some that may mean in a week, to others that may mean in a few months.
For me I wish the update was here already.
WP7 takes some getting used to, but I've given my EVO and Nexus a much needed rest. I grew to absolutely love the interface on WP7! It's so fluid, and the performance is so consistent, I've yet to see my HD7 slow down at all.
The first update is supposed to bring a lot of change and I'm really anxious see how MS does, because this will be an solid indication of how serious they take WP7 which seems to be pretty serious. We'll see though.
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I think we will see the update during the MWC in Feb 2011... I was trying to be positive about it by believing that it will be coming out in Jan 2011.... I do miss the multitasking now and then also the cut and paste few times in past few months... But not a big thing, however I will like to see the battery improvements and camera update also the performance upgrade from the best windows os we currently have....
I was expecting also to see some evolution during January but I now I really believe that a more realistic approach is to expect to have nice upgrade during Q1, maybe March.
I've read many reviews on this device and so far it seems like it's the perfect fit for me, especially since LTE isn't available in my area. Cheap, well built and uses stock Android... Fantastic. Then I come here and I'm starting to read that it might not be the awesome device I thought it was... Overheating, poor benchmarks, bad battery life... These sound like deal-breakers. So before I retire my MyTouch 3G Slide (yes, I know it's incredibly old...) and buy one of these I must ask if this really does have some major flaws that can't be fixed by a custom rom. It still seems like the bargain of the century, but if it's not going to work like an android-powered quad core phone then maybe I should reconsider.
Sorry if this has been beaten to death but I haven't seen a post that sums up all of the issues with this phone yet.
There are no problems with it, these people just like to whine.. It will be a great upgrade for you
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There have been plenty of posts that sum up the issues and answer your question
1. All reviewers were testing on pre-release builds of the software
2. Maybe all the issues get quashed by the time they release the N4 to the public. Then again, maybe not.
Since you have held out so long, I suggest you stick with it for a week or two more. But if thats something you can't do (I know I can't ), just go ahead and get one.
Given the fact that Google has oriented the Nexus more towards users than towards the devs unlike the previous versions, I doubt they will overlook any hardware issues with the phone. Software glitches, if any, will be fixed soon.
We can't see a ''verdict'' until we see the final product and ppl get their hands on it, as everything being told right now must be taken as speculation as it aint the final version of the phone...
Plus these phones being reviewed are not the final version being released on the 13th
Buy it. You won't be sorry. There's nothing else like it out there. I'm also coming from a very old phone (not as old as yours though) an Optimus V. The way I see it, ANY phone, even one with a few minor flaws, will be better than what we have.
Tapatalk² from my Optimus V
In before lock.
People in this forum don't even have the phone. This phone is going to kick ass. You think Google would choose a phone that had poor benchmarks, poor battery life for their Nexus line. All of this is coordinated and tested ahead of time.
Apparently this whole project was completed in 6 months.
Since they havent made a huge change from the physical interior and exterior of the optimus g, it really can only be better than it with the software.
Patience...
Petraman,
Wait for real reviews after a few weeks the phone is released on Nov 13, 2012. A good review takes time for the reviewer to actually "use" the phone daily and give us a first hand experience. That is what we are looking for when we read the reviews. The early reviews information you should take from them is the hardware analysis only. The software needs time test.
I think it's going to be a great device. I'm coming from an LG G2x, and believe me when I say that LG makes GREAT hardware. It was just the software which sucked. All the reviewers are biased, whether it's towards Samsung or Apple. If anything, you can just return the Nexus or get it exchanged if anything is wrong with it.
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There have been plenty of posts that sum up the issues and answer your question
1. All reviewers were testing on pre-release builds of the software
2. Maybe all the issues get quashed by the time they release the N4 to the public. Then again, maybe not.
Since you have held out so long, I suggest you stick with it for a week or two more. But if thats something you can't do (I know I can't ), just go ahead and get one.
Given the fact that Google has oriented the Nexus more towards users than towards the devs unlike the previous versions, I doubt they will overlook any hardware issues with the phone. Software glitches, if any, will be fixed soon.
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:good:what he said!
Go for it and enjoy state of the art development on XDA! Cool
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Go for it and enjoy state of the art development on XDA! Cool
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This. If anything (on the software front) could be fixed, it would be fixed by the XDA first. :good::good:
The verdict is that its not released yet.
Even from the reviews I don't see a single 1 dramatising even one of those problems as much as the people who cry on the forums (and haven't even held one).
Plus, any day of the year, only Anandtechs review is worth anything. They have always been unbiased, transparent and complete. Anand is like a robot.
What verdict? It's not released for consumers yet, order starts on Nov 13th.
Pretty sure we've got enough of these types of threads OP, feel free to continue the discussion in one of them :good:
Closed.
I'm not sure if I can blame this on the race-to-market state that the industry is in but there are a lot of
poorly performing phones being released. Manufacturers rush to release new products without doing
the necessary development tests. Product testing has been moved form the lab to the customer base.
Take the case of the Nexus 4.
I read an article where an HTC Droid DNA user was complaining how HTC is slow to release the latest
Android OS and he decided it was time to make the switch to Nexus because he can't wait for updates.
But do Nexus users really get the best experience?
Nexus devices often use inferior hardware to cut the cost and I have no complaints here - I love the fact
that the Nexus4 costs almost half as much as the Droid DNA. But what about software?
I will give it to Google and LG for releasing a phone where at least everything works, some companies
don't go that far. But the Nexus4 currently works below it's potential. The firmware is buggy and not
optimized for best performance.
- The camera uses the same sensor as the LG Optimus 2X but produces much noisier pictures.
- The autofocus doesn't work that great.
- The screen colors are dialed in to a yellowish hue
- The microphone gain is way too high a distorts easy
There are a lot more annoyances but note that I only listed items that can easily be adjusted. With the
proper equipment it should take just a few hours to calibrate the phone so it works to it's highest
potential. Which makes me wonder whether calibration was done poorly or not at all.
Some argue that Google releases source code and unlocks their devices for independent developers to
adjust to their liking. But developers don't have the type of testing equipment that the manufacturer has
and even with the source code available it could be impossible to figure out how to control hardware modules
without the corresponding documentation. Developers tend to work in the dark most of the time.
Not sure what point I'm driving to here, I'm just frustrated. I'm realizing that I want a device where everything
works great at release time so I don't have to wait for kernel fixes. I wonder when (or if) LG and Google will
address these and how that reflects on the entire phone industry.
4.2 was obviously rushed, as was illustrated by the lack of December in the calendar. That can be fixed in time.
As regards hardware, I totally get where you're coming from. In order to make a decent profit on the handhelds, it's pretty clear that LG cut some corners in everything from components (some) to quality control. Is there a blasted thing that can be done about it from our end? No. But, we have a pretty freakin' awesome phone for $300-$350 with the latest Android. It's a tradeoff. Take it or leave it.
-Mindroid- said:
I'm not sure if I can blame this on the race-to-market state that the industry is in but there are a lot of
poorly performing phones being released. Manufacturers rush to release new products without doing
the necessary development tests. Product testing has been moved form the lab to the customer base.
Take the case of the Nexus 4.
I read an article where an HTC Droid DNA user was complaining how HTC is slow to release the latest
Android OS and he decided it was time to make the switch to Nexus because he can't wait for updates.
But do Nexus users really get the best experience?
Nexus devices often use inferior hardware to cut the cost and I have no complaints here - I love the fact
that the Nexus4 costs almost half as much as the Droid DNA. But what about software?
I will give it to Google and LG for releasing a phone where at least everything works, some companies
don't go that far. But the Nexus4 currently works below it's potential. The firmware is buggy and not
optimized for best performance.
- The camera uses the same sensor as the LG Optimus 2X but produces much noisier pictures.
- The autofocus doesn't work that great.
- The screen colors are dialed in to a yellowish hue
- The microphone gain is way too high a distorts easy
There are a lot more annoyances but note that I only listed items that can easily be adjusted. With the
proper equipment it should take just a few hours to calibrate the phone so it works to it's highest
potential. Which makes me wonder whether calibration was done poorly or not at all.
Some argue that Google releases source code and unlocks their devices for independent developers to
adjust to their liking. But developers don't have the type of testing equipment that the manufacturer has
and even with the source code available it could be impossible to figure out how to control hardware modules
without the corresponding documentation. Developers tend to work in the dark most of the time.
Not sure what point I'm driving to here, I'm just frustrated. I'm realizing that I want a device where everything
works great at release time so I don't have to wait for kernel fixes. I wonder when (or if) LG and Google will
address these and how that reflects on the entire phone industry.
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Anddddddd, another whiner..... N4 is a great phone that came out just 2 months ago!!!! It will only get better!!! If you don`t like yours just sell it and head over to the FRUIT store
I don't understand .... You saying that phones like Samsung or apple are bugles?
1. ICS update for gs2. OMG battery drain was stupendous , even though Samsung released update after a month or son it took even longer on carrier based devices
2. IPhone there was an issue with WiFi or so
Fixed within few weeks
3. Nexus 4 - December bug fixed before December (I cant imagine update coming through on devices modified by network operators
It might seem that OEM devices are flawless bout you couldn't be more wrong . they have bugs but not ones that you see at first glance and trust me they take much longer to fix as less people notice them
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I don't understand .... You saying that phones like Samsung or apple are bugles?
1. ICS update for gs2. OMG battery drain was stupendous , even though Samsung released update after a month or son it took even longer on carrier based devices
2. IPhone there was an issue with WiFi or so
Fixed within few weeks
3. Nexus 4 - December bug fixed before December (I cant imagine update coming through on devices modified by network operators
It might seem that OEM devices are flawless bout you couldn't be more wrong . they have bugs but not ones that you see at first glance and trust me they take much longer to fix as less people notice them
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This is a great point, and one of the main reasons to have a Nexus device.
Nothings perfect bro look at apple maps
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Problems like battery drain and Maps take a long time to debug and fix. It's still
unacceptable but understandable.
Offset colors on a screen should take minutes to adjust with the proper equipment.
Seriously! It should be done right the first time. I'm reading on here that small problems
with the Galaxy Nexus were never fixed.
BigDig said:
Anddddddd, another whiner..... N4 is a great phone that came out just 2 months ago!!!! It will only get better!!! If you don`t like yours just sell it and head over to the FRUIT store
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So because he has legitimate complaints about a device he purchased, he must not voice them and go buy an iPhone? Do you realize how dumb that sounds? Just wanted to point that out.
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-Mindroid- said:
I'm not sure if I can blame this on the race-to-market state that the industry is in but there are a lot of
poorly performing phones being released. Manufacturers rush to release new products without doing
the necessary development tests. Product testing has been moved form the lab to the customer base.
Take the case of the Nexus 4.
I read an article where an HTC Droid DNA user was complaining how HTC is slow to release the latest
Android OS and he decided it was time to make the switch to Nexus because he can't wait for updates.
But do Nexus users really get the best experience?
Nexus devices often use inferior hardware to cut the cost and I have no complaints here - I love the fact
that the Nexus4 costs almost half as much as the Droid DNA. But what about software?
I will give it to Google and LG for releasing a phone where at least everything works, some companies
don't go that far. But the Nexus4 currently works below it's potential. The firmware is buggy and not
optimized for best performance.
- The camera uses the same sensor as the LG Optimus 2X but produces much noisier pictures.
- The autofocus doesn't work that great.
- The screen colors are dialed in to a yellowish hue
- The microphone gain is way too high a distorts easy
There are a lot more annoyances but note that I only listed items that can easily be adjusted. With the
proper equipment it should take just a few hours to calibrate the phone so it works to it's highest
potential. Which makes me wonder whether calibration was done poorly or not at all.
Some argue that Google releases source code and unlocks their devices for independent developers to
adjust to their liking. But developers don't have the type of testing equipment that the manufacturer has
and even with the source code available it could be impossible to figure out how to control hardware modules
without the corresponding documentation. Developers tend to work in the dark most of the time.
Not sure what point I'm driving to here, I'm just frustrated. I'm realizing that I want a device where everything
works great at release time so I don't have to wait for kernel fixes. I wonder when (or if) LG and Google will
address these and how that reflects on the entire phone industry.
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.....
frustrated with what?
I turn my phone on it comes on. I dial a number it calls it. I go to a web page it loads it. I stream music is streams it.
Your issue is you seem to think your little bubble of the world applies to everyone. My Phone does not have a yellowish tint. I don't use the microphone. So I don't care about distortion with it. The camera looks fine to me. But then again I aint a photo junkie. Altho if I was I'd use my Nikkon camera, not my phone....
You see, I get a nexus, and android, so that I can tinker. I can create. I can remove, I can improve. I can have the newest and latest.
You seem to get one because? I don't know what you got on for. Cause these things seem lost on you....
Do as others say, Sell it, make an extra hundy, and go get something else.....
OK you're not happy but these threads go nowhere and you can see that already so will stop it now.
Thread closed.
I pre-ordered my tmo S6 on a Friday and had it in hand the next Tuesday. Would have had it Saturday had I paid for the overnight shipping.
With that said, and still 7 days until the phone is officially RTM, one downside to having a phone in hand for this long before the masses is the lag/lack of development! Sammobile doesn't even have the firmware posted yet
Thank goodness for CF's root, but who isn't clamoring for custom recovery and some AOSP love?
I will say though, being forced to live in the stock (but rooted) ROM, there are some features I will miss going to AOSP. Particularly Samsung's camera app, which blows away the Google Camera app.
scriptx said:
I pre-ordered my tmo S6 on a Friday and had it in hand the next Tuesday. Would have had it Saturday had I paid for the overnight shipping.
With that said, and still 7 days until the phone is officially RTM, one downside to having a phone in hand for this long before the masses is the lag/lack of development! Sammobile doesn't even have the firmware posted yet
Thank goodness for CF's root, but who isn't clamoring for custom recovery and some AOSP love?
I will say though, being forced to live in the stock (but rooted) ROM, there are some features I will miss going to AOSP. Particularly Samsung's camera app, which blows away the Google Camera app.
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I've held off rooting until we find out if Samsung Pay will work with a tripped Knox. I use Google Wallet, but I'm really interested in the feature which lets you use your phone as a bank card. Plenty of places in my area don't have NFC but DO have credit card swipes.
I want root for a few tweaks such as disabling heads up (and just having the classic ticker), but there's no WAY I would run an AOSP rom on this device. Touchwiz has taken a huge step forward in terms of appearance and performance. Most importantly though, I would not give up the incredible camera. The hardware itself is a factor, of course, but the software/firmware/drivers for cameras make a much bigger difference (especially in low light).
Lastly, and I don't know this for fact, but I read that non-touchwiz roms are going to take much longer to develop and be quite a bit less stable due to the Exynos CPU. We shall see!
Who buys a phone before it's even launched, then makes a thread on XDA complaining about a lack of development? SERIOUSLY??
Not sure if trolling or.......
Seriously..not seeing a point to this thread and seems to invite quite a few unpleasant responses
Moral of the story...wait 1 month after a phone is released to see what development will be like.
With that we can bid adieu to this thread.
Thanks!
FNSM
I've been developing for Android for years now since the early "eclipse" day and my beloved HTC G1.
Originally Android was truely opened with AOSP and the Play Store (which didn't even have this name yet) was almost as open as the naive old Android API.
With the years Google also tightened their restrictions and "reviewing" like Apple.
My last app is a plain metronome. It's open-source, it's free, it uses no complex APIs or obtrusive permissions.
The major thing for me was for it to be cross-platform as possible so you can "walk" with your sounds anywhere.
I do it in my spare time and finally got enough fixes to push a build.
Usually I first push to app stores before providing the other binaries as I really like the commits of a build to be on par as much as possible.
So... I've pushed a build to Apple's AppStore and the Play Store.
Within less than 24hrs it was approved by Apple.
On Google Play... this is the 4th day I'm waiting.
While from a plain developer point of view, all those restrictions aren't my cup of tea.
I must say that those days I don't find Google's approach any better than Apple's. I'd might say overall, while dashboards are nicer, the process itself became much less appealing for releasing a legitimate Android app on the "major" Google Play Store. (I do know there are alternatives and I do offer plain .apk)
Is anyone else feel the experience is worse (even if you've had a longstanding developer account)?
I have my Play developer account since over 10 years, published some small apps and one bigger thing.
A small app I submitted about 2 months ago was approved after 1 to 2 days without a problem. Updates were also approved fast.
However, an app I submitted this week was rejected after 3 days because of a ludicrous policy issue. After resubmitting, in the Play console "Release overview" page it is shown "In review" again, but the dashboard says "Ready to send for review".
Tried to contact Google because of that this weekend, but the "Call" option is not available on weekends, and for "Chat" it always says "Try again later, all agents are busy" even though the hours of operation are shown as 24/7.
Here people are complaining review times of over 14 days recently:
https://www.reddit.com/r/androiddev/comments/sb7hxb
We can only hope Google will learn and it gets better again soon.
my release eventually took 14days to be reviewed and published.
Basic policy updates took 10-12 days to be approved.
Just wanted to report that my recent experience with Google Play is very good. Updates are consistently approved in about 1/2 - 1 hours.