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Pixel 5 v Samsung S20 +

Anyone got any true comparison to the camera quality of these 2 phones ? I've always had Pixels literally from the Pixel 2 onwards but I'm not convinced with the camera innovation on the Pixel 5 in fact if anything I'm finding the pics rather dull even compared to my 4XL and my 3XL.

Compared to my wife's Note 20 5G my P5 takes way better photos. I have tested both side by side. I think the cameras are similar on the S20fe and Note 20.
Not to mention the P5 has a far superior OS and better update support.

TokedUp said:
Compared to my wife's Note 20 5G my P5 takes way better photos. I have tested both side by side. I think the cameras are similar on the S20fe and Note 20.
Not to mention the P5 has a far superior OS and better update support.
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Are the Samsung pics oversaturated etc as normal ?

Not really but you can tell they look different. I prefer how the P5 pics come out

i have s20+ and p5. samsung still sucks in the camera department. about 1/5 photos from my s20 look "pretty" good. they just can't get processing right.
my p5 always takes amazing photos.
there is no contest.

Question worth the upgrade?

Coming from the S20 Ultra. NOt sure if its worth the upgrade. Anyone upgrading from S20 Ultra?

Here.
My reasons are the S Pen (I miss the Note experience), adaptive refresh (without entering on screen settings every minute), the Phantom Black color (my carrier sent me a grey S20 Ultra and I hate it) and the camera (hope the S21U won't have the same focus problems of the S20U). And my carrier gives me 680€ for my S20U (a half of the S21U 256GB price).

Im on the Note 20 Ultra now and ordered the S21 Ultra. I skipped the S20 last year so thought Id check it out this year.
The camera and fingerprint sensor Im looking forward to trying but all im all not much of a jump from the note.

force70 said:
Im on the Note 20 Ultra now and ordered the S21 Ultra. I skipped the S20 last year so thought Id check it out this year.
The camera and fingerprint sensor Im looking forward to trying but all im all not much of a jump from the note.
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It's also thicker and heavier than Note 20!

Bigger battery!

Not worth the upgrade besides the camera. It is heavier and thicker. It is more like a downgrade if anything. No microsd, smaller display, same battery. Will wait for next year's

force70 said:
Bigger battery!
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absolutely right

lucky_strike33 said:
Coming from the S20 Ultra. NOt sure if its worth the upgrade. Anyone upgrading from S20 Ultra?
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Significantly better focus on the S21 ultra, plus 3x AND 10x optical zoom.
If cameras are your #1 consideration then yes, upgrade. If not, then you are probably better to waiting for S22U release.

Question Mi 11 ultra's GN2 will destroy s21 ultra'S HM3

I don't know why samsung didn't use gn2 sensor on s21 ultra , but I think xiaomi's mi 11 ultra GN2 gonna crush the s21 ultra's hm3 sensor ..
What do you guys think?

If it is true, I dont think so.

aj7400 said:
I don't know why samsung didn't use gn2 sensor on s21 ultra , but I think xiaomi's mi 11 ultra GN2 gonna crush the s21 ultra's hm3 sensor ..
What do you guys think?
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Xiaomi is essentially beta testers for Samsung's newest sensor tech. Xiaomi got the 108MP HMX and the 64MP GW1 sensor before any Samsung phones. It is a little annoying though since Samsung isn't planning on a Note 21 Ultra this year, so Xiaomi would have the better camera tech until at least the S22 Ultra presumably.

beserker15 said:
Xiaomi is essentially beta testers for Samsung's newest sensor tech. Xiaomi got the 108MP HMX and the 64MP GW1 sensor before any Samsung phones. It is a little annoying though since Samsung isn't planning on a Note 21 Ultra this year, so Xiaomi would have the better camera tech until at least the S22 Ultra presumably.
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They are planning , but it's a bit delayed ,
Note lineup is something they can't skip even though they introduced spen in s series, but that's optional

aj7400 said:
They are planning , but it's a bit delayed ,
Note lineup is something they can't skip even though they introduced spen in s series, but that's optional
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Normally yes, but they likely can due to chip shortages (or at least using it as an excuse to): https://wccftech.com/galaxy-note-21-series-skipped-chip-shortages/

beserker15 said:
Normally yes, but they likely can due to chip shortages (or at least using it as an excuse to): https://wccftech.com/galaxy-note-21-series-skipped-chip-shortages/
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And if their focus is gonna be on s series only , then I think they can beat the sd888 with their exynos 2100 this time , because Exynos has that capabilities.
Sd888 was also built by samsung so their own chipset just lacks optimization I think .

My black 21Ultra will totally destroy that Mi 11 and crush it into tiny little pieces and then eat it for lunch #yeahman #f
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GoldPunch said:
If it is true, I dont think so.
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Fake comparison video, with fake pictures! What is wrong with you?
This one is real, by Han's Tech Talk

jericho246 said:
Fake comparison video, with fake pictures! What is wrong with you?
This one is real, by Han's Tech Talk
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What is wrong with you? Keep clam. I said If it is true. Although, they are pretty similar.

I think even GN1 in Vivo x50 pro plus can easily beat HM3 tbh.
Why can't Samsung just use GN series in their flagship and stop ridiculous 108mp gimmick.

Samsung know how to get the best out of its sensor, thats why you won't notice a big different between both phones.
I still wished, that samsung didn't not care for numbers and gave us the newest sensor...

As I said above, our phone is better in terms of photo. Although some of us don't believe it.

Not a fan of extremely narrow plane of focus.

Virgo_Guy said:
Not a fan of extremely narrow plane of focus.
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Its there in the s21 ultra's 108 mp as well.
It uses focus enhancer mode and switches to ultrawide lens zoomed to 1x to capture

aj7400 said:
Its there in the s21 ultra's 108 mp as well.
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Have not been a fan of it since S20 Ultra.

General My father bought the S21 Ultra and i was impressed camera wise...

This is just my statement and opinion.
I'm going to try and be honest here. Me as a Mi 11 Ultra owner I was impressed and a bit jealous despite the 300-400€ difference when using my father's S21 Ultra(exynos) in 2 aspects.
One is the screen brightness with direct sunlight. i thought the all 1700nits would "shine true" but i got duped. The visibility of the S21 Ultra is much better, both using max brightness sunlight. I am not sure if Xiaomi activated the already enabled direct sunlight option, i had read somewhere that the brightness reaches better results on S21U but that's another topic.
Two is the camera...
I got mind blown when i bought the mi 11 Ultra and i got mind blown again about the quality of the zoom on S21U, without even going past 10x.
The S21U with the 3x and 10x camera app smooth change between lenses and the sharpness of the zoom photos during live preview. A more Mature camera app indeed and the stabilization of the zoom camera by focusing on the object and not having to have a firm hand... wow!
I couldn't test it during nightshots cause i was with him for a brief moment, but that is what i could have "won" in a way, but Mi11U enhances the nightshots photos after the photo is taken, not that much during live preview.
Not to discourage other Xiaomi Fans out there but Xiaomi has indeed been lacking the transparency and focus of the Software.
Samsung July patch notes note said that was made some improvements to the camera performance
Another thing is that Xiaomi MIUI patches notes are the same across all the devices and not specific of the model. Like generic and uninteresting, you don't even know if they are making adjustments to the camera app on a specific model.
But i'm going to stop with all the blathering for now.

What is your goal with this post? What do you want to tell us? The camera of the Mi11 Ultra is far above the camera of the S21, regarding to DXOMark.
Rankings - DXOMARK
www.dxomark.com
In the same test you see the display of the S21u scoring higher then the Mi11 Ultra. So yes, you are right.
Everyone has his/hers own reasons to buy a specific phone. I dont like Samsung for its UI and i dont like the esthetics of the S21u. Maybe you do, so buy a S21u?

KaiseRRUby said:
What is your goal with this post? What do you want to tell us? The camera of the Mi11 Ultra is far above the camera of the S21, regarding to DXOMark.
Rankings - DXOMARK
www.dxomark.com
In the same test you see the display of the S21u scoring higher then the Mi11 Ultra. So yes, you are right.
Everyone has his/hers own reasons to buy a specific phone. I dont like Samsung for its UI and i dont like the esthetics of the S21u. Maybe you do, so buy a S21u?
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You have to read the carefully the post i made mate.
I said on top, its my opinion that S21U is better at zoom, even if DXOmark biases or unbiases only grants 98 points against 131.
Benchmarks are benchmarks and DXOmark has a controversy of favoring Huawei and Xiaomi phones (you can read it in other places) and also Software improvements are not taken in consideration. The software released of S21Ultra had alot of issues but they fixed according to what i know and this topic was made now cause my father only bought it now.
Beside i don't look at one site and be done with it. You see alot of Youtubers talk about zoom pictures being better on S21Ultra
Also do you wonder why DXOmark never shares the specific version number of the software they test even if you ask them? talk about transparency...
And again with the Dxomark scores on Screen. Xiaomi talks about 1700nits against the Samsung 1500nits and yet i saw major difference with my eyes.
I bought the Mi11ultra because i love MIUI and this phone has alot of other functionally that other don't all in one.
I won't buy S21U. i already have purchase my device, this is a post to take in consideration, thats all.
I'm not in blind love of my MI11ultra.

xwonic said:
You have to read the carefully the post i made mate.
I said on top, its my opinion that S21U is better at zoom, even if DXOmark biases or unbiases only grants 98 points against 131.
Benchmarks are benchmarks and DXOmark has a controversy of favoring Huawei and Xiaomi phones (you can read it in other places) and also Software improvements are not taken in consideration. The software released of S21Ultra had alot of issues but they fixed according to what i know and this topic was made now cause my father only bought it now.
Beside i don't look at one site and be done with it. You see alot of Youtubers talk about zoom pictures being better on S21Ultra
Also do you wonder why DXOmark never shares the specific version number of the software they test even if you ask them? talk about transparency...
And again with the Dxomark scores on Screen. Xiaomi talks about 1700nits against the Samsung 1500nits and yet i saw major difference with my eyes.
I bought the Mi11ultra because i love MIUI and this phone has alot of other functionally that other don't all in one.
I won't buy S21U. i already have purchase my device, this is a post to take in consideration, thats all.
I'm not in blind love of my MI11ultra.
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I'm neither in blind love of my Mi 11 ultra. But your main point is: Samsung did a better job on their software updates than Xiaomi?
Let's hope Xiaomi will release better software soon or custom roms to fix it. And well, when i have a S21U in my own hands i will compare them.
Thanks for sharing your experience.

KaiseRRUby said:
What is your goal with this post? What do you want to tell us? The camera of the Mi11 Ultra is far above the camera of the S21, regarding to DXOMark.
Rankings - DXOMARK
www.dxomark.com
In the same test you see the display of the S21u scoring higher then the Mi11 Ultra. So yes, you are right.
Everyone has his/hers own reasons to buy a specific phone. I dont like Samsung for its UI and i dont like the esthetics of the S21u. Maybe you do, so buy a S21u?
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Dxo score is a bought and paid for scam
How would they have had results before the phone was even on sale ?
Some versions still don't have the dxo software update 4 months later but I DO have it and it isn't the best camera in the world lol....

xwonic said:
my father's S21 Ultra(exynos)
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I would never buy a Samsung phone with that crap Exynos SOC that they don't even sell in their own country...
Maybe in the future if Exynos will become better than Snapdragon...

I don't know guys what kind of shots you need to do with a camera, Mi 11 Ultra camera to me seems incredible and that's enough, if I want better shot I buy a proper camera in my opinion

In my little and personal opinion, Xiaomi fits outstanding hardware in its phones but it clearly loses on software and optimization which I think is a more difficult task than gathering hardware. If Samsung would ship its phone with the kind of sensors Mi 11 ultra has, they might outperform Mi 11 ultra easily. Even Xiaomi's flagships such as Mi 11 ultra have outdated security updates and buggy user interface such as its dark mode; I'm living with a phone whose dark mode bugs make me change homescreen icon layout twice daily in order to get my widgets and google feed follow the device's theme. Mind it, I payed $1000 for this "luxury" and such is the experience of it. I envy S21 ultra users using their phones with the most recent Android security patch installed.
Im sorry if I hurt someone here by saying this.

I debated a lot between the two phone. Went with Xiaomi because :
1. I can use gcam (the camera will improve with time). This is not available with the Exynos S21, or very limited.
2. Better wide angle lens.
What i really miss, and in my opinion it's the biggest flaw with the Mi 11 Ultra camera: Macro. Basically doesn't exist. What is even worse is the fact that cropping from the main lens at 50MP yields much better macro results that using the dedicated macro mode. I mean...common Xiaomi.
So I bought an external 100mm macro lens, but it doesn't fit the M11U because the camera bump is too thick :/

xNAPx said:
I don't know guys what kind of shots you need to do with a camera, Mi 11 Ultra camera to me seems incredible and that's enough, if I want better shot I buy a proper camera in my opinion
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I tested it alongside an iphone 12 pro last night and the iPhone was just as good if not better taking pictures of the same view
i expected it would blow the iPhone away by miles but that just wasn't the case

Well but that Iphone in 2021 still performs at 60hz lol while the Samsung costs 1200£ without charger and giving you Exynos. So any phone has its flows

galr said:
I debated a lot between the two phone. Went with Xiaomi because :
1. I can use gcam (the camera will improve with time). This is not available with the Exynos S21, or very limited.
2. Better wide angle lens.
What i really miss, and in my opinion it's the biggest flaw with the Mi 11 Ultra camera: Macro. Basically doesn't exist. What is even worse is the fact that cropping from the main lens at 50MP yields much better macro results that using the dedicated macro mode. I mean...common Xiaomi.
So I bought an external 100mm macro lens, but it doesn't fit the M11U because the camera bump is too thick :/
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There is also Samsung with snapdragon and with working GCam.

Is the Snapdragon version just a single sim? I looked myself but I'm sure only the Exynos had dual SIM but this was before it launched but still interested to know.

galr said:
I debated a lot between the two phone. Went with Xiaomi because :
1. I can use gcam (the camera will improve with time). This is not available with the Exynos S21, or very limited.
2. Better wide angle lens.
What i really miss, and in my opinion it's the biggest flaw with the Mi 11 Ultra camera: Macro. Basically doesn't exist. What is even worse is the fact that cropping from the main lens at 50MP yields much better macro results that using the dedicated macro mode. I mean...common Xiaomi.
So I bought an external 100mm macro lens, but it doesn't fit the M11U because the camera bump is too thick :/
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Now that you meantion I also tried experimenting with "macro" cause the option is there and its on the Ultrawide and it can't seem to focus, i get better results with telescope lens while keeping some distance from target. but still lacks.
Xiaomi said that they didn't place a macro camera cause they found a way to use 2 lens into 1, the Ultrawide.
I wonder if gcam has a option to improve focus on the ultrawide and if it's only xiaomi camera software that it's not working properly.

xwonic said:
Now that you meantion I also tried experimenting with "macro" cause the option is there and its on the Ultrawide and it can't seem to focus, i get better results with telescope lens while keeping some distance from target. but still lacks.
Xiaomi said that they didn't place a macro camera cause they found a way to use 2 lens into 1, the Ultrawide.
I wonder if gcam has a option to improve focus on the ultrawide and if it's only xiaomi camera software that it's not working properly.
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You're limited by the focal range of the lense.
A ultra wide macro would likely need an attachment ie extension tube/lense for it to work. Because you don't have access to the primary lense not sure how well that work.

blackhawk said:
You're limited by the focal range of the lense.
A ultra wide macro would likely need an attachment ie extension tube/lense for it to work. Because you don't have access to the primary lense not sure how well that work.
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True, but the silly thing is that you can just take a photo with the main lens and 50MP mode and crop. You still get high res photo and the macro is FAR better than what you get with the dedicated macro mode.
They should just change the dedicated macro mode to be a crop of 50MP main camera.

galr said:
True, but the silly thing is that you can just take a photo with the main lens and 50MP mode and crop. You still get high res photo and the macro is FAR better than what you get with the dedicated macro mode.
They should just change the dedicated macro mode to be a crop of 50MP main camera.
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I tried it now and your right, if i zoom in on main camera without switching to the telephoto i get much better results with macro.
Btw have you guys notice that if you do close up photos the mi cam only switches to the telephoto at exactly 9.5X? i used my finger on top of the telephoto lens to check this out

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I tried it now and your right, if i zoom in on main camera without switching to the telephoto i get much better results with macro.
Btw have you guys notice that if you do close up photos the mi cam only switches to the telephoto at exactly 9.5X? i used my finger on top of the telephoto lens to check this out
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It will do that if the distance is closer than the minimum focus distance of the 5x lens, or when there is not a lot of light. You can always change to Pro mode (with auto settings); to force the 5x lens .

Sathelp said:
Is the Snapdragon version just a single sim? I looked myself but I'm sure only the Exynos had dual SIM but this was before it launched but still interested to know.
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You can get a dual sim snapdragon s21u in some markets
Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra Dual Sim 5G G9980
Phones and Smartphones, DESIGN. Revolutionary by design. Introducing a bold new camera design in a category of its own. It's ultra-sized
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It also supports e-sim so you may be able to use multiple sim cards even on the single sim variant if you're carrier has e-sim available

xNAPx said:
Well but that Iphone in 2021 still performs at 60hz lol while the Samsung costs 1200£ without charger and giving you Exynos. So any phone has its flows
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I don't like apple products or iPhones in general but the camera and screen quality didn't look noticeably worse when tested side by side

Question S21 ULTRA VS S22 PLUS

Fellow readers,
Which Is your opinion , since now days s21 ultra and s22 plus have the same price which you believe is better option?

S21u for cameras

vlubosh said:
S21u for cameras
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Except the zoom I have the impression that s22 has better cameras overall.

Tested s21u and s22u, didnt find a big differences when looked on photos in devices. So S22plus cant replace s21u in photo quality, another minus is battery, 5000mah is best Choice when you dont want charge phone every 15h with a moderate usage.

DrGreem said:
Fellow readers,
Which Is your opinion , since now days s21 ultra and s22 plus have the same price which you believe is better option?
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S22Ultra for sûre, but.... is mi opinion...i have the 2, s21ultra S22Ultra

I'm between s21 ultra and s22+ ,
I don't like edge display of 22 ultra

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Except the zoom I have the impression that s22 has better cameras overall.
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The S21 Ultra has better overall cameras than the S22 base/plus. Also the ultra wide has autofocus and can do macro and a better front camera. If you main focus is on the cameras, the S21 Ultra is the way to go.

Can't live with the 1080p resolution on the plus phones vs 2k on the ultras

Since the camera is what most of you are considering in this thread, I'll add something of my own. As a photographer I like the S21 much better than the S22, but if you are not a professional photographer you won't find any difference and you might even like the S22 much better. Plus, the price of the S21 is much lower.
The only problem I encountered while using the S21 is the lack of understanding of how to take a screenshot, because for some unknown reason the keys on this smartphone model is different from the keys on other models of Samsung smartphones. Fortunately, my friend recommended me to pay attention to this article on how to screenshot on s21 fe https://thecelldesk.com/how-to-capture-screenshot-samsung-galaxy-s21-fe-5g-methods/.
I decided to take this advice and did not regret it, because this guide was very detailed and I quickly managed to understand how to make screenshots on S21 FE.

DrGreem said:
Fellow readers,
Which Is your opinion , since now days s21 ultra and s22 plus have the same price which you believe is better option?
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They really don't compare very well. The S21 Ultra is larger with a bigger display, 1440 x 3200 pixels, 1080 x 2340 on the S22 +, Internal Memory, 512GB w/16GB Ram, 256GB w/8GB Ram on the S22+, 108MP Main Cam Senor 50MP on the S22+, 5000 mAh Battery 4800 on the S22+, Android 11 is more trouble free compared to Android 12. For the same price, S21 Ultra hands down, it's not even close.