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I've attached a screenshot of a page from the nexus 7 guide stating that the nexus 7 is the Asus pad me370t. So, what do you guys make of this?
The Verge actually investigated this quite a bit:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/28/3124041/asus-me370t-nexus-7-transformation-google-nvidia
Wow, I am very very shocked and disappointed this. I've been looking forward to the actual MeMO 370T device since it was first seen back in January. For some reason I had really expected Asus to release its own 7 inch tablet.
>I had really expected Asus to release its own 7 inch tablet.
Unlikely, since it would have to beat the Nexus 7 which is said as being sold at cost.
A great deal of fuss was made over Microsoft Surface "killing" Windows HW vendors, and curiously, almost nothing about the Nexus 7 doing the same. The irony is that Surface will have minimal impact, while N7 will almost certainly kill off any 7" Android tab this year.
Not only does N7 hit the magic $200 point, it has good hardware, official support, and 4.1. There is no way any 7" tab can match that. The only possible competitor would be if Apple does the rumored 7" mini iPad at $250-300.
I'm wondering what Amazon's move will be, as per the above I don't see how a 7" KF2 can compete. My projection is that it will cede the 7" space, and upping the KF2 to the 8" or 9" size, say, for $250. The orig KF stays on, but lowered to $150.
7" is good for reading, but poor for video playback. Since video consumption is vastly more popular than e-reading, an 8" or 9" would be a step forward. It would be better for video, and still be suitable for one-hand use.
Ditto for Nook, although if MS' investment in B&N is any indication, we'll probably see a Nook powered by WinRT this year.
I thought I had read reports of Asus releasing their own 7 inch tablet in August that undercut the 8GB N7 by about $20. Still, this isn't really what I was hoping for if it comes to be.
It's almost like the Me370t, but with the mini HDMI port removed (the original had it)
Thanks Google for saving the $0.10 that component would cost
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Thanks Google for saving the $0.10 that component would cost
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That would be more than $0.10. For every patented chip/port/protocol/software you are building into your device you have to pay licence costs per sold device.
I don't know how much exactly but I think the tablet would be cost 10-20$ more.
Well I'm sure the HDMI out being removed had a lot more to do with the Q
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That would be more than $0.10. For every patented chip/port/protocol/software you are building into your device you have to pay licence costs per sold device.
I don't know how much exactly but I think the tablet would be cost 10-20$ more.
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I'm sorry but that's nonsense, no way it costs that much. For example the Raspberry Pi has a HDMI port and costs only $25.
I can't link to sites yet, but if you look up the HDMI licensing website and see under Fees and Royalties section the licensing cost ranges from $0.04 to $0.15 per end user, depending on quantity (obviously a mass produced device like this will be in the lower bands)
Maybe add another $0.05-$0.10 for the physical connector, if that. We're talking 20 cents max here.
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I'm sorry but that's nonsense, no way it costs that much. For example the Raspberry Pi has a HDMI port and costs only $25.
I can't link to sites yet, but if you look up the HDMI licensing website and see under Fees and Royalties section the licensing cost ranges from $0.04 to $0.15 per end user, depending on quantity (obviously a mass produced device like this will be in the lower bands)
Maybe add another $0.05-$0.10 for the physical connector, if that. We're talking 20 cents max here.
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No need to argue, the device doesn't have it, get over it. I understand it would have been cheap to add this, but if you look at the other device Google released, the Q, you will see why they didn't.
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No need to argue, the device doesn't have it, get over it. I understand it would have been cheap to add this, but if you look at the other device Google released, the Q, you will see why they didn't.
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Google are not going to sell the Nexus Q here in the UK (and probably a lot more places), so it's not a solution.
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Google are not going to sell the Nexus Q here in the UK (and probably a lot more places), so it's not a solution.
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I'm not saying it's a solution, I'm explaining why they left out the mini HDMI port.
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It's almost like the Me370t, but with the mini HDMI port removed (the original had it)
Thanks Google for saving the $0.10 that component would cost
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Well not exactly almost like the MeMO. I believe it also had an 8MP rear facing camera. Probably had a MicroSD slot, too, but I'm not positive on that. At any rate, I'd gladly throw in an extra $50 or so for the original MeMO 370T. I probably won't be buying the N7.
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That would be more than $0.10. For every patented chip/port/protocol/software you are building into your device you have to pay licence costs per sold device.
I don't know how much exactly but I think the tablet would be cost 10-20$ more.
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You pay for a HDMI license which is $10k per annum, which it's fairly likely both Google (via Motorola) and ASUS already have anyway. Each HDMI port has a royalty as well, which is 4 cents. Plus the cost of the connector itself. The HDCP license is half a cent per device.
The rest of the existing components should be able to handle HDMI anyway, Tegra 3 has it as a standard.
Can't help but be negative about this. It's not just the $250 memo, but the $250 memo--.
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/27733-nexus-7-is-crippled-asus-370t-but-not-much-cheaper
The story, if I put 2+2 correctly, is that google really wanted that $199 pricetag, in effect forcing asus to redesign a bunch of stuff with lower-end components. In the end, they couldn't (or wouldn't) even get back to something as good as the original for $250.
Like what was stated in a comment on the site, just because they planned to release the memo with all those extras for $249 doesn't mean that would be the ultimate price. I paid 280 or whatever for the 16 gb model and I wish it had an sd, hdmi, and stereo but still an amazing deal for 250 (16gb). Plus would it be first with jb? Software more than anything makes these devices.
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Unlikely, since it would have to beat the Nexus 7 which is said as being sold at cost.
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Google are making no profit (on the 8GB model at US prices) but that doesn't mean it's being sold at cost.
ASUS aren't a charity, I can't see them doing the OEM work if they're not getting something out of it.
So I suspect ASUS could've released the Nexus 7 under their own brand at the same price and still made something off it but when Google approached them and offered to handle all the software updates in return for a 0% slice of the pie, they said ok.
Did anyone else read the article from Digitimes that claimed Asus would release its own 7 inch tablet in August for $159 to $179? If that's true, I wonder what hardware reductions are even possible to make?
Also, if a new Asus tablet was to be released in August, we'd probably be seeing an FCC submission sometime soon, right?
well that is disappointing..seems like google killed another decent asus product, since the original memo 370t was gonna have 8mega pixel cam, 16gb storage micro sd slot and everything nexus tab has for 250..
>ASUS aren't a charity, I can't see them doing the OEM work if they're not getting something out of it.
Monetary compensation is a subset. The human networking alone would be valuable, not to mention the experience gained from working hand-in-hand with Google engineers. One thing that's lacking for all HW vendors is development expertise, and I assume Asus is getting plenty of that. Then, there's the PR value of being a Google partner. So, many perks aside from money.
A large cost of a device is for marketing (distribution, promotion). Aside from a few small retailers, N7 distribution looks to be limited to the Play store for now, and there probably won't be much advertising until close to fall shopping. So, yes, I imagine the N7's $200 price can be pretty close to cost. We'll have a better idea once the iSuppli folks do a BOM analysis.
Compare against upcoming Acer A110: Same $200 (8GB) and Kai innards, but smaller battery (3420 vs 4325 mAh), lower res (1024x600) and lower quality (TN LCD) display. ICS rather than JB, and no Google updates. It's clearly an inferior device to the N7. I doubt Asus can sell a better tablet than Acer at the same cost w/o slicing its margin to the bone.
It's not just the low-end, N7 dominates the mid-range and high-end for 7" as well. There is no current or announced 7"-ish tablet that can compete with N7 on either features or bang/buck. It's the only tablet to have 4.1. The only place it doesn't go is the carrier market.
From the above, I don't see a 10" Nexus happening. That would kill off the rest of the Android vendors.
>So I suspect ASUS could've released the Nexus 7 under their own brand at the same price and still made something off it but when Google approached them and offered to handle all the software updates in return for a 0% slice of the pie, they said ok.
It doesn't matter who's selling the N7 or what its origins are. What matters is whether other vendors can compete against it. I don't think they can, including Amazon. As said, I think Amazon will go with an 8 or 9" for $250, and drop the KF to $150.
A 9" KF2 at $250, or an iPad mini at $300, would be serious competition for N7.
>Did anyone else read the article from Digitimes that claimed Asus would release its own 7 inch tablet in August for $159 to $179?
DigiTimes says a lot of things, a few of which become true, and the rest goes into the circular file. For a workable rule of which DigiTimes rumor becomes fact, try this: Assign a 3% cumulative probability for each successive rumor. So, if DigiTimes has 20 different rumors over time about an particular event, you get a 60% probability of the event becoming true.
The "cheaper Asus 7-inch tablet" rumor is the first one out of the pipe.
http://www.challenges.fr/high-tech/...-explique-pourquoi-il-semble-introuvable.html
Now waiting for some dude to come here and tell me this should have been posted on that other dead-ass thread, and report this one to be closed.
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Now waiting for some dude to come here and tell me this should have been posted on that other dead-ass thread, and report this one to be closed.
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Ha.
Oh, and good for LG.
An article in French is not of much help...
and no, I'm not going to use Google Translate. I'd rather throw my phone at a wall.
Translated in chrome:
Cathy Robin, director of the division of LG Mobile France reported on the case that stirred the internet for over two months, the Nexus 4.
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" Google he sacrificed to promote its Nexus 4 "X Phone"?
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LG has finally agreed to deliver the truth of the matter Nexus 4, the smartphone produced by Korean giant Google and ignites Internet since its launch in November. And for good reason. It is found. ( See the test )
Back to the facts. The smartphone sold on the online store GooglePlay.com November 13 faces a huge demand. Out of stock immediately after a few hours in several countries. And since buyers break their teeth with invariable "exhausted" before the two models (8GB and 16GB) . Since December, SFR offers the famous mobile subscription. Extras, it displays a prohibitive tariff: 629.90 euros against 349 euros on Google Play.
Rumors are also rife on the Internet: production voluntarily limited by LG and Google to create a buzz and volunteer shortage, production stoppage by the Korean giant for a new model of smartphone sales loss by Google ...
For Challenges.fr, Cathy Robin, Director of Mobile Communication LG France is the point.
What happens there with the Nexus 4, a highly competitive but unavailable?
- The Nexus 4 proposes an excellent technical specifications / price. Supply problems are not necessarily completely related to LG. Google has presented forecasts calculated according to their previous sales history of Nexus. But they have been less demand. Current deliveries of LG Google correspond to what had been pre-ordered on Google Play. We continue to deliver regularly. But it is lean. This is why the Nexus 4 is always shown as exhausted and the potential buyers feel they can not buy it. For example, the initial forecasts of Google were 10 times higher for United Kingdom and Germany. We deliver so much more in these countries than France. There was a balance that has been poorly anticipated. But be careful, I do not throw stones at anyone. Google and LG, it's going very well. Today, if we want to increase the frequency of deliveries, it takes about 6 weeks time.
The figure advanced smartphones 375,000 products is it true?
I do not know this number, but in any case it is much lower than the reality.
The Nexus 4 is it sold at a loss, as has been said?
We have no interest in selling at a loss. By cons there was an agreement between Google and LG to sell it at a very attractive price. And it's true that 299 euros for the 8GB and 349 euros for the 16 GB is a super attractive price.
Yet the SFR offers naked ... 629.90 euros
I do not have to answer for them, but I guess the purpose of SFR is to sell products with subscriptions.
Production Nexus 4 will she stop?
LG has denied reports [ rumors indicated that the Korean group plans to stop production ]. The Nexus 4 will not stop. On the contrary, the rate will increase. From mid-February, there will be more pressure on the market.
The Nexus 4 it can overshadow the G Optimus, the new flagship of the brand?
It will not shade the Optimus G which combines the best technology from LG [Qualcomm Snapdragon processor S4 Pro quad-core 1.5 GHz, 4.7-inch 1280x768 screen, 4G LTE, camera 13 MP ...] .. There is certainly a common trunk with the Nexus 4 but the ultimate focus. It will be in stores in March. It has particular function QSLIDE that simultaneously displays two different screens at the same time, function QuickMemo used to write notes and share them immediately. I can call my number while having the note displayed. It also has the live zoom that offers the ability to zoom during video playback ... We want to do anyway Nexus 4 and G major success.
In terms of sales, what are your goals for the Optimus G?
The Optimus G was launched two months ago in Korea, Japan and the United States. We shipped 1 million. The goal is to sell a lot and come tickle the market leaders.
LG has launched a lot of products ( 4X HD , the Vu, the Nexus 4 , G) with the sensation that the group is totally lacking in clarity. What is your strategy?
We went through a difficult period with ups and downs. It was therefore necessary to rebuild the foundation and fundamentals to claim back the top of the market. Must persuade consumers that we come back with quality products. We found the reliability, design and a very good position. It was regain market share in the mid-range for legitimacy. We will now highlight our brand with the L series of the mid-range 3G, 4G Series F and dual carrier with affordable rates. And there will be the G series for iconic products. Emphasis will be placed on top of the market not to mention the mid-range that is worn in France by the arrival of Free. They just reference the L9 is a good sign for us.
And the segment of very large screens?
We launched the view which allowed us to test the appetite for 4:3. It sold very well in Asia where Vu 2 is programmed. But it is a niche market. We will not persist in this format here in Europe. We do not want to disperse.
LG will he propose smartphones operating on Windows Phone 8?
We can all imagine but this is clearly not a priority. We are very pragmatic.
How is LG on the French market?
According to GFK, we had 6% market share in smartphones in late December. If we take only those who operate on Android, we are number 3 [behind Samsung and Sony ].
How do you see 2013?
It will be complicated. Operators to adapt to the offensive Free. There will be a reduction in subsidies. And then there's the arrival of 4G where we want to be a major player. In terms of objectives, should we double our market share, at least. This is ambitious. And if Sony is rather a nice trend, too.
To help condense it, here are some key points from the article:
According to the Director of Mobile Communication at LG France,
-Google based its forecasts on the sales of previous Nexus devices, but demand for the Nexus 4 has been greater than for Google's previous phones.
-LG's current shipments are still fulfilling previous Google Play orders
-Google overestimated demand in some markets and underestimated demand in others, meaning the stock available to ship to some locations was/is unbalanced.
-More devices have been manufactured than the 375,000-400,000 device estimate that popped up xda
-The low price is part of an agreement between Google and LG, but apparently the phone is not being sold at a loss.
No reference to the bumper cases or the wireless orb eh?
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Google needs better estimations: hire me!
"Why do you think people would ever want to spend twice as much on an optimus g"
"Because it's got bloatware that allows you to read a note while making a phone call"
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"Why do you think people would ever want to spend twice as much on an optimus g"
"Because it's got bloatware that allows you to read a note while making a phone call"
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It's actually a pretty nice device. When my sister came into town I was able to use the device for a bit. Overall, I was impressed.
Next question. When will those next devices already manufactured be pushed out? When the RMA's and other shipments processing are done?
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Its the logical explanation, although it doesnt make sense, google new how much the nexus 7 which was quite better than the galaxy nexus, why did they think it would be different with the nexus 4?
christoff_el said:
"Why do you think people would ever want to spend twice as much on an optimus g"
"Because it's got bloatware that allows you to read a note while making a phone call"
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hahhahahahahahaha loved this! :laugh::good:
"We shipped 1 million. The goal is to sell a lot and come tickle the market leaders".
Thats alot and still its got demand.
Way to go Nexus brand.
tweaked said:
"We shipped 1 million. The goal is to sell a lot and come tickle the market leaders".
Thats alot and still its got demand.
Way to go Nexus brand.
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That was a quote about shipments of the Optimus G though.
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That was a quote about shipments of the Optimus G though.
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Ahhh, I read it was talking about the nexus.
Google translate sux. lol
OG isnt a selling out brand. Haha
is it possible to flash Optimus G to stock android? i would go for it if it's possible! :laugh:
skyrocket727 said:
is it possible to flash Optimus G to stock android? i would go for it if it's possible! :laugh:
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There is a hack that converts the AT&T OG to a Nexus 4, but it's a bit too faithful of a conversion. The internal storage is limited to 8GB, no LTE (although it can be enabled in the testing menu), and it use the on-screen buttons instead of the capacitive ones.
Also, don't try to flash custom Nexus 4 ROMs to the converted OG -- it'll brick the phone.
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There is a hack that converts the AT&T OG to a Nexus 4, but it's a bit too faithful of a conversion. The internal storage is limited to 8GB, no LTE (although it can be enabled in the testing menu), and it use the on-screen buttons instead of the capacitive ones.
Also, don't try to flash custom Nexus 4 ROMs to the converted OG -- it'll brick the phone.
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noo i changed my mind. I would rather have fully functional JB on my trusty Gnex :laugh:
skyrocket727 said:
noo i changed my mind. I would rather have fully functional JB on my trusty Gnex :laugh:
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While I'm stuck here with a temporary iPhone 4 because my trust Android broke :'(
COME ON LG!
Little correction !
It is said in the article, that everything should get back to normal by mid-february, so there will be less pressure on the market, not more.
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did i read the translated text correctly ? Did the French lady say that Google over-estimated demand in UK and Germany and that is why France got so few ? Well I don''t know about Germany but I'll be kind here and say that as far as the UK is concerned the lady has got her facts completely wrong; and I can prove it along with many more in the UK, especially those still waiting for deliveries. I was on google store within minutes of this device being announced in the UK and I can tell you there were immediate problems and within 1.5mts it was impossible to order anymore. If, as the lady said, the UK was over-stocked how in the name of bee-jesus did we all have problems within 1.5mts of it being announced and some of us are still having problems. I think this lady is probably talking above her pay grade. Anyone who's worked in the corporate world would know that a country director is not necessarily that high up in the food chain.
I'm looking for a comparable china phone. I looked on multiple sites but I can't find a note3 clone with 4g. Maybe I am looking wrong. The clones look very nice, especially at the price they are going for. But I want 4g. I'm on straight talk right now, so it has to be at&t compatible. I really don't want to go any smaller than 5.7 screen size either since I have (and love) the note 2 right now.
Does anyone know if there is a nice note3 clone out there with 4g capabilities on the AT&T network?
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I'm looking for a comparable china phone. I looked on multiple sites but I can't find a note3 clone with 4g. Maybe I am looking wrong. The clones look very nice, especially at the price they are going for. But I want 4g. I'm on straight talk right now, so it has to be at&t compatible. I really don't want to go any smaller than 5.7 screen size either since I have (and love) the note 2 right now.
Does anyone know if there is a nice note3 clone out there with 4g capabilities on the AT&T network?
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Answered my own question. Check it out.
http://www.chinaecarts.com/samsung-...ore-20ghz-13mp-camera-32gb-4g-lte-p-3934.html
it's a clone with 8 cores, 3 gig of ram, and 4g capable in the us.
sweet.
Hey let me know when you get it. I'm interested in getting one but I don't want to be scammed by a damn Chinese site.
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Jammol said:
Hey let me know when you get it. I'm interested in getting one but I don't want to be scammed by a damn Chinese site.
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Took a longer look at it. Looks like an extreme scam. He wrote in an email to me that he cannot do paypal because they "do not allow clones" and would "freeze his account". He also states that the only way to order from him is to send western union or wire transfer. The wire transfer option states "do not put an order number anywhere on the transfer or it will get denied by his bank. And obviously everyone knows western union should never be used for any transactions because it is so unsafe. Now... Why would a reputable company say all that? Paypal in fact does not care what you sell since they just handle money. Wire transfers with no order number on them simply makes it easier for them to say you sent it of your own free will and they don't owe you anything. Seems scammish to me.
The other thing is that the new MTK6592 (octacore) with 4g LTE capability just came out this month. According to every other site that I have searched, no 4g LTE version of MTK6592 will be available in a phone until, at the earliest, after the chinese new year (starts jan 31). So again... scammish. I have read reviews about people who got phones from them, but they didnt get what they were told, and that they were scammed out of money. I don't have 350 to risk on a possible scam. I will likely not be waiting for the 4g china phones to come out. The goophone v92 pro is one, the THL monkey king 2 is another. There are likely going to be a lot more soon, but those are two that are being presold now. There are a ton of other phones out there though that get H+ in the us and look great. Elephone p8 being one that is comparable size to the note 3 (5.8 inches and 27k on antutu). There is also a really nice 6.5 inch one called inew i6000+ which I like. Both are at or under 300$ which is a far cry less than the 500 for a note 3. As long as you don't mind the wait, china products are awesome. I've bought and will buy them again. Just get a site that accepts paypal so there is protection on your end. www.pandawill.com is always good, thought they take 2-10 business days to ship usually and then however long it takes to get over seas. There are a ton of china sites that actually work though if you search. PAYPAL ONLY THOUGH!
for $400 US might as well get a legit real one.
I picked up my note 3 brand new in the box with a reciept and a bill of sale from cratgilist for $420. Do you really want to go through all of that and use a fake version of the phone with no warranty to save $70?
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I picked up my note 3 brand new in the box with a reciept and a bill of sale from cratgilist for $420. Do you really want to go through all of that and use a fake version of the phone with no warranty to save $70?
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Well the idea is actually to get a better phone than the note 3. The note 3 is only quad core. The ones I'm looking at are octa core. Front camera is also 5 mp vs 2 mp of note 3. Then you have screen size. I'm looking at the 6.5. Either way its choice. I may end up just going with the legit note 3 but likely I will just get the new 4g LTE octa core from China because I want 8 cores. Performance wise I know the note 3 scores better antutu but its not all about graphics. I want a phone that is everything I want not just some.
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Well the idea is actually to get a better phone than the note 3. The note 3 is only quad core. The ones I'm looking at are octa core. Front camera is also 5 mp vs 2 mp of note 3. Then you have screen size. I'm looking at the 6.5. Either way its choice. I may end up just going with the legit note 3 but likely I will just get the new 4g LTE octa core from China because I want 8 cores. Performance wise I know the note 3 scores better antutu but its not all about graphics. I want a phone that is everything I want not just some.
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You don't understand what you're getting yourself into.
The Chinese knock offs don't have gorilla glass and will scratch easily. There is no oleophobic coating on the screen and it will be covered in fingerprints immediately and be hard to wipe off without alcohol. The materials on the entire body of the phone are cheap plastic rather than polycarbonate. It will crack much easier and the paint will chip off.
The ram and all of the components are going to be the cheapest possible components on the market so memory failures are very likely. And with no warranty you'll be out of luck. There's no waccom digitizer so 90% of the s pen features will not even work. The speaker phone probably sounds horrible. And you can expect many aspects of touchwiz to not work at all such as smart stay and probably the gyroscope.
Good luck.
**Also you say the note 3 is ONLY quad core lol Are you aware that Samsung makes an octa core version as well? Are you aware that the quad core version scores higher on Antutu X AND is immensely more battery efficient?**
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You don't understand what you're getting yourself into.
The Chinese knock offs don't have gorilla glass and will scratch easily. There is no oleophobic coating on the screen and it will be covered in fingerprints immediately and be hard to wipe off without alcohol. The materials on the entire body of the phone are cheap plastic rather than polycarbonate. It will crack much easier and the paint will chip off.
The ram and all of the components are going to be the cheapest possible components on the market so memory failures are very likely. And with no warranty you'll be out of luck. There's no waccom digitizer so 90% of the s pen features will not even work. The speaker phone probably sounds horrible. And you can expect many aspects of touchwiz to not work at all such as smart stay and probably the gyroscope.
Good luck.
**Also you say the note 3 is ONLY quad core lol Are you aware that Samsung makes an octa core version as well? Are you aware that the quad core version scores higher on Antutu X AND is immensely more battery efficient?**
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As i mentioned before i kow it scored a better antutu score than the ones im looking at. 35k vs 27k and im sure it is battery efficient. But when i research i find the octa core note 3 is not even activated to be octa core because of a heat package issue. So note 3 will never truly be octa core.
I do know that they make the phones cheaper. But when i buy a phone the first thing i do is case it and put a screen protector on it. So those issues are minor to me. When it comes down to it america charges for names. We all know this and we keep spending the money. There are times where i would only want the american version of things, but i have had china tablets and i am pretty happy with them. I dont mind lower quality materials sometimes because they are worth it. You can not get some of the phones you can get in china models, and the phones tend to have more power than their american counterparts.
performance boost on poor quality materials negates it. i suggest you stick with the legit one.
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As i mentioned before i kow it scored a better antutu score than the ones im looking at. 35k vs 27k and im sure it is battery efficient. But when i research i find the octa core note 3 is not even activated to be octa core because of a heat package issue. So note 3 will never truly be octa core.
I do know that they make the phones cheaper. But when i buy a phone the first thing i do is case it and put a screen protector on it. So those issues are minor to me. When it comes down to it america charges for names. We all know this and we keep spending the money. There are times where i would only want the american version of things, but i have had china tablets and i am pretty happy with them. I dont mind lower quality materials sometimes because they are worth it. You can not get some of the phones you can get in china models, and the phones tend to have more power than their american counterparts.
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I wish you luck in your future endeavours.
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performance boost on poor quality materials negates it. i suggest you stick with the legit one.
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There is no legit phone of the model that I am looking at. I have not been looking at the note 3 clone at all. I was momentarily looking at it because I thought it was the same thing. Now I am looking at other chinese phones that are not made in America. The phones are reputable manufacturers that have millions of buyers. I am not looking at clones because I don't think it makes sense to get a clone. I suggest you take a look at the chinese brands out there, they have a huge following. ZOPO t1000 looks really nice but it's not out yet. Just because something isn't made for america doesnt make it bad. In fact, a lot of the phones made outside of the US are amazing. Either way, I ended up finding a really cheap note 3 and scooped it so all this is moot. But I will definitely be looking a lot harder at the chinese brand phones now that they are going to be offering 4g on them. I do suggest you take a harder look though, you are very biased against them, and they really aren't as bad as you make them out to be. In most cases people would be very happy with a cheaper foreign make phone instead of the overpriced overbloated crap that american consumers are used to. For the same technology they charge less. China is all open source, they really are ahead of the curve on phones if you really look at it. You can actually get the "foreign" make phones that are the same brands we get in the US, but they are VASTLY different. The dual sim note 2 is just one example. Take a look at them, you likely will be happy with at least one of em if you let yourself be.
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As i mentioned before i kow it scored a better antutu score than the ones im looking at. 35k vs 27k and im sure it is battery efficient. But when i research i find the octa core note 3 is not even activated to be octa core because of a heat package issue. So note 3 will never truly be octa core.
I do know that they make the phones cheaper. But when i buy a phone the first thing i do is case it and put a screen protector on it. So those issues are minor to me. When it comes down to it america charges for names. We all know this and we keep spending the money. There are times where i would only want the american version of things, but i have had china tablets and i am pretty happy with them. I dont mind lower quality materials sometimes because they are worth it. You can not get some of the phones you can get in china models, and the phones tend to have more power than their american counterparts.
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..You do realize a lot of people from many countries come to America to buy things because it's cheaper here right? Canadians especially.
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..You do realize a lot of people from many countries come to America to buy things because it's cheaper here right? Canadians especially.
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I guess I'll agree to disagree. You seem set against foreign phones for some reason. Personally I think american products are overpriced and have inferior components to what they COULD put in there. It's all a game in america. Money over everything else. This is why we see all the locked devices and locked firmware, and everything else they do to keep their products theirs alone. All these things are unheard of other places. We are the capitol of control. I am not saying that every foreign phone is a winner, but there are many amazing devices. Most american devices are crap, that's fact, so it's really not much different. And with all the advances they have because it's open source, I think they will eventually surpass america in all areas. Till then, I guess everyone will just hate foreign stuff!
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I guess I'll agree to disagree. You seem set against foreign phones for some reason. Personally I think american products are overpriced and have inferior components to what they COULD put in there. It's all a game in america. Money over everything else. This is why we see all the locked devices and locked firmware, and everything else they do to keep their products theirs alone. All these things are unheard of other places. We are the capitol of control. I am not saying that every foreign phone is a winner, but there are many amazing devices. Most american devices are crap, that's fact, so it's really not much different. And with all the advances they have because it's open source, I think they will eventually surpass america in all areas. Till then, I guess everyone will just hate foreign stuff!
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Capitol of control? And China isnt? LMAO You keep referring to AMERICAN phones. You realize Samsung is a Korean manufacturer right? Lol The locked bootloaders come from the wireless carriers in the US, NOT the phone manufacturers. And Chinese stuff sucks plane and simple. They clone everything and sell bogus products. Are you telling me you would buy a car from china? It would be made out of cardboard LOL
And when you buy an imported phone you will have zero warranty. I can't believe you would even be okay with that part alone. Show me one CHINESE MADE, not a Chinese variant of a Korean phone such as a note 2 that is sold in china, a Chinese phone like ZTE or oppo, that has a better spec sheet and build quality than one of the major brands sold in america.
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Capitol of control? And China isnt? LMAO You keep referring to AMERICAN phones. You realize Samsung is a Korean manufacturer right? Lol The locked bootloaders come from the wireless carriers in the US, NOT the phone manufacturers. And Chinese stuff sucks plane and simple. They clone everything and sell bogus products. Are you telling me you would buy a car from china? It would be made out of cardboard LOL
And when you buy an imported phone you will have zero warranty. I can't believe you would even be okay with that part alone. Show me one CHINESE MADE, not a Chinese variant of a Korean phone such as a note 2 that is sold in china, a Chinese phone like ZTE or oppo, that has a better spec sheet and build quality than one of the major brands sold in america.
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Again, I am not saying they are all better. American phones, and I mean american CARRIED phones, are in general garbage. The new Zoppo t1000 has great specs if you look at them. The only phones that really are better in america are the flagship devices. I would never buy an american phone that was not a flagship. I would however buy a lot of the various chinese phones. As far as the warranty... I don't really care about warranty guarantees. I've never even used one, and I get all my phones second hand anyways. No warranty there. Either way, it's preference, you just don't like non american phones. I don't really care where they come from.
I haven't read this anywhere, it's just my own personal view based on Samsungs previous behaviour.
While the Tab S seems to be a great piece of kit it looks to me like sales haven't been great (tracking numerous used sales sites they do not sell particularly quickly, I've even seen units listed for 3+ weeks - and I know the unit is still available because I've e-mailed the sellers).
Given Samsung abandoned the PRO series pretty quickly for poor sales how many people think Samsung may use the opportunity of the launch of Android L (speculated for this month) to abandon the S series and launch a new 'latest greatest' version to replace it?
The fact that so many markets don't have 'official' 32GB units shows the amount of product in the channel that hasn't sold through yet.
Thoughts?
I think they made a mistake limiting 32gb sales to BestBuy. They could have sold a lot more than they have if it wasn't.
But, I see us getting an update to "L". That might be it though.
There's actualy a new version called Tab S Slate with updated cpu and lte-a
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There's actualy a new version called Tab S Slate with updated cpu and lte-a
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http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_s_slate_with_ltea_tipped_to_launch_in_korea-news-9828.php
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All your Tab S they belong to me!!!!
Actually, Korea has better version of S5 cell phone too, but it does not mean that general S5 won't get an update. Same is here I think. Samsung has strange policy with tablets - they make it with older hardware than current smartphones have! But anyway, even Galaxy Note 8, that had old hardware for it's time, got 4.4 and Tab S will get L I think. About 32 GB. I have not seen any of Samsung 32GB models here in Russia for most of the devices. It's always was just 16 GB
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I have not seen any of Samsung 32GB models here in Russia for most of the devices. It's always was just 16 GB
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Same here in Germany, it is mostly the base configuration that is available. The higher memory variants either never show off, a year latter at some random online retailers or are at the most a one provider exclusive thing released three months later.
OK i cant take it LOL i bought the Pro 10.1 then 4 months later the S 10.5 and with days picked the S over the 10.1 for so many reasons not even including the screen.
just kidding though as i am not one to yell about why there are new ones and regret my purchases. i actually enjoy the new stuff and expect it. when the new stuff offers enough for me to upgrade i move.
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http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_s_slate_with_ltea_tipped_to_launch_in_korea-news-9828.php
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All your Tab S they belong to me!!!!
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This is an interesting article on the version of the Exynos Chipset rumoured to be in the Tab S Slate......it supports 64 Bit
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-note-exynos-snapdragon-armv8,27688.html
Now that WOULD be a killer upgrade.
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http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_s_slate_with_ltea_tipped_to_launch_in_korea-news-9828.php
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I hope that the pricing difference is not that much
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I haven't read this anywhere, it's just my own personal view based on Samsungs previous behaviour.
While the Tab S seems to be a great piece of kit it looks to me like sales haven't been great (tracking numerous used sales sites they do not sell particularly quickly, I've even seen units listed for 3+ weeks - and I know the unit is still available because I've e-mailed the sellers).
Given Samsung abandoned the PRO series pretty quickly for poor sales how many people think Samsung may use the opportunity of the launch of Android L (speculated for this month) to abandon the S series and launch a new 'latest greatest' version to replace it?
The fact that so many markets don't have 'official' 32GB units shows the amount of product in the channel that hasn't sold through yet.
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Sorry. I find this mildly absurd. In recent years, Samsung has a good track record of updating all of their flagship products, even if it does take a while. If this were a midrange or budget product, I'd totally agree with you. Samsung doesn't update it's budget products. In this case, though, I think you're way off base. If the Galaxy Note 8.0 and original 2012 Galaxy Note 10.1 (both crap sellers) got KitKat, the Tab S line will get L. This isn't even a question in my mind.
I never said the Tab S wouldn't get Android L, I said that they would abandon it and launch a new replacement........Samsung did this with the P6800 a few years back, did one subsequent software update then nothing.
Also this will likely force Samsung to have to start to rationalise some of their product offerings and instead concentrate their resources on a smaller range IMHO.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29516806
This is their flagship product in the tablet line. Not even remotely going to happen. Worse. Thread. Ever.
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Here is why it will get L. Samsung typically supports new products with occasional updates for 18 to 24 months, and L is just around the corner, and M is coming not so long after. My S2 came with Gingerbread, and Samsung gave it ICS and JB (I took it to KK 4.4.4). I have no doubt, L will be backward-compatible with non-64 bit hardware. The overall installed base for Android and the number of recent Samsung devices out there is too prodigious. Whether our Tab Ss get official M and beyond its the question.
You could go crazy the way Samsung dribbles products into the market. They have too many products overlapping when less, done with latest specs, would do just fine. All this crazy overdevelopment is one reason they have financial problems. It causes consumer confusion, market chaos, and makes updates a crapshoot. So what are you going to do? Keep holding your breath for Samsung to wake up, rationally anticipate the future, and deliver what you think is the perfect device for you? You'll lose your mind. In the end, when I was ready to buy a tablet, I was just ready. My eyes were open about the situation, so I rolled the dice and bought as best I could - in this case, Samsung - knowing my top of the line tablet was already about to be an antique. And you know what? When the day comes that I need to upgrade to 64 bit, with all that entails (e.g. 4gb RAM and apps that actually require it - and that is not going to be so soon), I'll put this tablet on eBay and bite the bullet again, knowing the next one I buy will already be late to the game the day it is released. But for now, I've put my hysteria aside and accept that my tablet is just fine, as is my highly customized S2 which, I'm sure, will be running L when that gets in the hands of capable outside developers, and probably M, too, if I hang on to it that long [emoji6].
For all its monstrous flaws, this is the one thing Apple's (and a few others') business model gets partly right. Less devices, less overlap, and unified updates can be as good as more. Don't get me wrong. Releasing 1 or 2 devices a year with a long patch between tech improvements (often just catch up) isn't particularly gratifying unless you are a typical brainwashed Apple fanzombie.
If you do some research tablet sales are cooling; even Apple's. Unlike smartphones, the replacement cycle is slower for tablets with current owners keeping them much longer. Phablets are denting tablet sales; especially in emerging markets where people can't afford two devices.
Apple and Samsung both lost market share in Q2; Apple more so. Apple was down in volume while Samsung gained. Price is obviously impacting sales with low cost tablet vendors growing in volume and market share.
We on XDA have a skewed view of the world. The masses are far less concerned about the speed of their CPU/GPU if they even know or care what they are. Same thing with Android L. If the latest and greatest Android version were that important to the masses Samsung wouldn't be selling the volume of devices they do and GPe and Nexus devices would be more popular.
Samsung most likely reused the high-end architecture from earlier tablets on the S' to save money and get them to market faster. Bearing the cost of redesigning them for 5433/S-805 isn't going to affect their sales or their perception by the masses. If Android L is so important getting the existing S' on it quickly makes more sense than launching a new tablet. But I don't think the masses care. If they did HTC wouldn't still be hemorrhaging sales after positioning themselves as the "fastest" OEM at updates. The S' claim to fame are their exclusive AMOLED displays. That's what you'll see advertised over the holidays.
Samsung's working on 10" 4K tablets displays that'll need 5433/S-805. That's most likely going to be the "next big thing." And the Note tablets need a refresh so logically they're next up to bat and they have a loyal following and drive higher margins.. As for a faster LTE-A tablet, I'd be surprised if even 30% of the tablets Samsung sells have cellular modems. And if high-end tablet sales are price depressed making them even more expensive seems illogical.
Trying to guess Samsung's next move is a fools game. If they make something you like buy it and be happy. The launch of the S' didn't change the features and usability of the Pro's one bit.
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That's not really a valid comparison. The S', based on distribution and marketing spend alone, are clearly mass market products. The Tab 7.7 was a niche product, not unlike the Galaxy Round, Korean-only LTE-A devices, and probably the Note Edge. All Samsung's high-end tablets from less than a year ago to present share most of the same h/w and s/w components. The Tab 7.7 shared nothing with any other Samsung device and was priced higher than 10" high-end tablets when it was released. If it didn't get updated it was because there weren't enough in circulation for Samsung to be bothered. Any L update will serve the N10.1-14, Pro's, and S' equally so, while not impossible, it would be bizarre if all of them didn't get Android L.
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Really, our biggest caveat is that it's expensive, even compared to mid-range models like the $350 7.0 Plus. The 7.7 isn't a plaything for mainstream consumers, but people who care deeply about laying claim to the latest and greatest gadgets, and are willing to pay dearly for the privilege. As any early adopter would tell you, getting burned on price is just one trade-off to scoring bragging rights. Indeed, such enthusiasts might well decide that nearly $250 premium over mid-range tablets is worth the long battery life, brisk performance and brilliant display. So is that you? Do you need the best that badly? We'll let you do some soul-searching and chew on that*for a bit.
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That's not really a valid comparison. The S', based on distribution and marketing spend alone, are clearly mass market products. The Tab 7.7 was a niche product, not unlike the Galaxy Round, Korean-only LTE-A devices, and probably the Note Edge. All Samsung's high-end tablets from less than a year ago to present share most of the same h/w and s/w components. The Tab 7.7 shared nothing with any other Samsung device and was priced higher than 10" high-end tablets when it was released. If it didn't get updated it was because there weren't enough in circulation for Samsung to be bothered. Any L update will serve the N10.1-14, Pro's, and S' equally so, while not impossible, it would be bizarre if all of them didn't get Android L.
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Really, our biggest caveat is that it's expensive, even compared to mid-range models like the $350 7.0 Plus. The 7.7 isn't a plaything for mainstream consumers, but people who care deeply about laying claim to the latest and greatest gadgets, and are willing to pay dearly for the privilege. As any early adopter would tell you, getting burned on price is just one trade-off to scoring bragging rights. Indeed, such enthusiasts might well decide that nearly $250 premium over mid-range tablets is worth the long battery life, brisk performance and brilliant display. So is that you? Do you need the best that badly? We'll let you do some soul-searching and chew on that*for a bit.
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The only reason it became a "niche" market is because of the US law suit by Apple and having the product banned for copyright infringement. I believe Samsung won the case eventually, but cut their losses and moved on, effectively abandoning the device and customers.
The 7.7 shared many of the same hardware components with other mobile devices. Note and SGS2 ......
Circumstances appear different, so I'm sure we'll get the update, but who knows where we'll be on the pecking order. ......
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The only reason it became a "niche" market is because of the US law suit by Apple and having the product banned for copyright infringement.
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The easiest way to tell a niche product is by its selling price. The Tab 7.7 was priced stratospherically for its time. To a degree, the Gear's are a niche product too based on price. If Samsung wanted mass adoption they could have averaged their costs over 10M units (vs. 1M) and priced them at $159. They didn't. They sold them at $299 limiting their audience intentionally to drive high margins. They also could have made the Gear work with non-Samsung phones if all they wanted to do was drive volume. The market sets pricing, not vendors. And the pricing for the Tab 7.7 was way above what the market was acceptant of and that wasn't by accident. The Galaxy Round was a bent Note 3 without S Pen and cost 30% more. That too wasn't an accident. AMOLED technology wasn't wear it is today when the 7.7 came out. Setting the price where they did may have allowed Samsung to ensure they didn't run out of the limited amount of displays they could produce. That, and make embarrassingly high margins.
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The easiest way to tell a niche product is by its selling price. The Tab 7.7 was priced stratospherically for its time. To a degree, the Gear's are a niche product too based on price. If Samsung wanted mass adoption they could have averaged their costs over 10M units (vs. 1M) and priced them at $159. They didn't. They sold them at $299 limiting their audience intentionally to drive high margins. They also could have made the Gear work with non-Samsung phones if all they wanted to do was drive volume. The market sets pricing, not vendors. And the pricing for the Tab 7.7 was way above what the market was acceptant of and that wasn't by accident. The Galaxy Round was a bent Note 3 without S Pen and cost 30% more. That too wasn't an accident. AMOLED technology wasn't wear it is today when the 7.7 came out. Setting the price where they did may have allowed Samsung to ensure they didn't run out of the limited amount of displays they could produce. That, and make embarrassingly high margins.
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Not necessarily.
Crapple products are way overpriced, but I wouldn't call them a niche product.......... The 7.7 was a premium device, one that scared Crapple, but premium doesn't equal niche. It wasn't a gimmicky device or "prototype" (as some you quoted), it was a real competitor, so that's what scared them and held up the production and shipment delays in Europe and US with law suits. By the time it was all sorted, Samsung had washed their hands of it. During that time, support for updates was nearly non-existent and my WIFI version didn't progress beyond ICS. The 3G model did however get a regional update for Asia to JB. This clearly shows that Samsung do indeed have a history of not supporting their products with updates for a (legal?) 18 months. Who will make them comply.
As I said though, I believe this device is a different kettle of fish, so we will get support, but may not be in a expedient manner as hoped.
Purely coincidentally in the UK today on Samsungs own website....
http://store.samsung.com/uk/ng/mobile-tablets/tablets/c/SM02
TAB Pro and Note Pro products being sold at 40% off.
Addressing some of the comments above......
The P6800 (7.7) was originally launched directly against the Ipad at a time in the market when Ipad was really the only player in town. Apples lawsuits certainly did dent the product marketing and distribution, but also what had a huge effect, was within months there was a whole rash of 'low cost' Android tablets that moved the market space in terms of pricing. The 7.7 was perhaps even over engineered for it's time (metal case, AMOLED screen, dual networking etc....) and certainly would have had a BoM that wouldn't allow it to be sold at a price competing with the likes of the Nexus 7.....so Samsung had to launch the lower cost range of products that followed. I have no issue with this, what I did and still do have an issue with is the fact that Samsung did not continue to release software updates for a reasonable amount of time afterwards. Many of us spent $500+ for our 7.7s and in effect they became redundant within 18 months....not a good return on investment.
I see the same behaviour at the moment with the Tab and Note PRO range which in my mind is just reinforced by the price promotion on their website today, I'm concerned that we may see the same behaviour for the Tab S tomorrow as sales frankly have not been at the level the Samsung must have been hoping for.
As to this being the worst thread ever, then why contribute?
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Did anyone here not think the Pro's were toast when the S' came out? They're the same tablets and launched with the same selling prices. The big and only difference is that the S' truly have an industry exclusive killer feature - their AMOLED displays. The Pro's were discounted at similar levels in the U.S. weeks ago confirming what we all knew or suspected; there ain't room in this town for two high-end similar tablets. The only surprise from the UK is that both 12" devices are marked down so significantly which I translate in to disposing of inventory on the way to extinction. 12" tablets were a risk to begin with so I guess Samsung's calling it a day. If you notice, the N10.1-14's gone from the site completely except for third party purchase. It could mean new 8.4/10/12" Notes are on the way. The 8" has been missing for a year and the 12" without S Pen was kind of stupid. Once you get to a certain price point does $50-100 difference really mean anything? So I could see the 8.4/10/12" Notes and 8.4/10.5 S' being Samsung's rationalized product line. The 12" Note being the big wild card. And due to AMOLED's battery performance on whites I'd bet the Note's continue with LCD displays.
Back to the subject of this thread. It's pretty clear why the Pro's were toast when the S' came out. What's going to make the S' toast? Android L can run on ARMv7 SoCs with 512MB of RAM so, at least to me, introducing a major h/w change in conjunction with Android L doesn't make sense and "quad core" and "eight core" are still going to be on the box regardless of which Exynos or Snapdragon chip is under the hood. That said, it's equally unlikely the "S" will become the S 2 simply because newer SoC's are available. For the thesis of this thread to be true means the only reason the S' aren't selling as well as they could are because of their Android version and CPU/GPU. I don't think the masses care enough for that to be true. If something were to happen "S 2-wise" it would be happening now to get the merch on the shelves before the holidays and to beat/meet the arrival of the Teg K1 HTC/Nexus 8.9" tablet. There's been no S-like tablets that have shown up in benchmarks or been certified for Wi-Fi, BT, or cellular anywhere. Just the LTE-A S specific to Korea. There was a 100 page thread in the SGS5 forum about people worrying the Alpha was going to be a metal SGS5 with more power. Turned out to be 100 pages of wasted server space and fretting. Every time a Korean LTE-A device comes out the klaxon horns go off about it imminently replacing or rendering inferior an existing global device. Hasn't happened yet.
There probably will be a "S 2" but if I were to bet it would take more than a SoC swap and/or new Android version to make that happen. But I've been wrong before.
So conspiracy theorists do carry on. I'm out because this thread is turning argumentative and I'm not helping.
Like many others, I would guess, I joined O2 due to their partnership with OnePlus. Like many others I was looking forward to getting (maybe not the 5g but) another OnePlus phone from them.
Sadly their twitter representative confirmed that they will not be offering any of the OnePlus 7 range.
Stating :
We’re afraid at the moment we’ve made the decision not to range the OnePlus 7 series. We always strive to bring the best range of devices to our customers, and continue to work closely with all our partners to review the full portfolio of devices we offer.
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Quite why they would make this decision not to include the OnePlus 7 among "the best range of devices" when it's being lauded around the tech community as OnePlus finally competing head to head with the big boys at the table, is beyond me.
Looks like I, and others I would guess, will be moving supplier soon. Strange and sad decision which I think O2 will live to regret, OnePlus has a very loyal customer base.
Am very disappointed with 02. Usually the refresh deals are great means of getting new phones but well.