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The camera isnt great is it?

What do you all think about the camera? It can't stand up to the iPhone 8+ and also the Note 8
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Compared to my Oneplus 3 the camera is superb!
But that doesn't surprise anyone...

Try the Google pixel camera APK off XDA. The camera is far better than IPhone. Nokia's own camera app needs work
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Compared to Galaxy S7 ,the camera is poor at the Nokia 8.
Really bad quality pic indoors, slow autofocus makes it impossible to take any pics of moving objects.
Asked customer service @ Nokia if there is an update coming for the camera , but they can't/won't answer.
The camera app is also poor compared to earlier Nokias , and current Samsungs.

I'd beg to differ f2dog. Mine took cracking pictures. Using the pixel APK just raised the camera to another level.
Unfortunately mine went back as it kept rebooting and apps crashing.
Just waiting to see what Google brings out tmoz and at that point possibly reorder another Nokia 8.
I was very happy with the results the cameras gave. But as I'd posted earlier, the Nokia camera app needs work.
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For me the camera is also good. If I want really perfect shots, I grab my dslr..
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Taken in the dark.. no messing with settings.
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f2dog said:
Compared to Galaxy S7 ,the camera is poor at the Nokia 8.
Really bad quality pic indoors, slow autofocus makes it impossible to take any pics of moving objects.
Asked customer service @ Nokia if there is an update coming for the camera , but they can't/won't answer.
The camera app is also poor compared to earlier Nokias , and current Samsungs.
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Could you please use the Pixel camera and post 2 shots (1 of S7 and 1 of Nokia8) same object if possible, just to compare them.

In Finland Note 8 costs 1029eur, smaller iPhone 8 costs 829eur, Nokia 8 costs 579eur. I suppose extra 250-450 eur gives you also better camera?
I feel that Nokia 8 focus and shooting is pretty fast in defaults (got flash disabled), took attached picture with single shot. When it gets darker images seem to get bit softer, not too bad though. Pretty easy point-and-shoot camera.

issues with Selfie with flash mode
i am having issues on my Nokia 8 using the selfie with flash mode. The whole screen goes white when taking a selfie with flash on. Has anyone experienced that?

bhat_vasu said:
i am having issues on my Nokia 8 using the selfie with flash mode. The whole screen goes white when taking a selfie with flash on. Has anyone experienced that?
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The screens the flash as there isn't a front facing flash

The camera is brill, the app is crap.

That video looks bias though.
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They really need to fix the camera app fast. Its Nokia for christ sakes they are famous for their camera.

srikanthuk said:
They really need to fix the camera app fast. Its Nokia for christ sakes they are famous for their camera.
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The image sensor isn't the best. Mid tier, only so much Nokia can do with the software. However, they should provide more manual control.
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kunjar said:
The image sensor isn't the best. Mid tier, only so much Nokia can do with the software. However, they should provide more manual control.
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the final image comes out fine. Its the time to focus that needs to improve.

srikanthuk said:
They really need to fix the camera app fast. Its Nokia for christ sakes they are famous for their camera.
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It is not Nokia though, it is HMD and i doubt they have the resources Nokia had, just be patient.

kunjar said:
The image sensor isn't the best. Mid tier, only so much Nokia can do with the software. However, they should provide more manual control.
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It isn't the worst either.
This is the same Christmas tree taken at the same time with an iPhone 6 and the Nokia 8

Actually my old lg g4 takes better pictures than the nokia 8 it is because the sensor and aperture lens limitations but if you are not taking care about pictures it is a good phone
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Google Camera improves thing a lot. Details as low light performance.
Google vs stock camera:

Question RAW Support for all cameras (inc.Telephoto not only main/ultra.w) on S21, S21 Ultra Exynos

The Samsung S21 series is an amazing flagship phone featured in 2021. It's great in many aspects. Though I think there are issues. The issue is that I don't think that we are getting the most out of this great hardware. Us owners of the S21 are not happy that a company which sells phones for over 1000euros won't add features which the users want such as full RAW support. We want RAW on all the cameras, not just the main and ultra wide ones. The telephoto cameras are not available in Pro mode. It would help people in many ways. Some people want the ability to do the post processing manually. This will result to get the most out of the photo if it was shot in RAW format.
Petition : http://chng.it/YVk72yhDYD
You can reply to this forum too : https://forum.developer.samsung.com...all-cameras-on-the-s21-s21-ultra-exynos/12549

Masikj said:
The Samsung S21 series is an amazing flagship phone featured in 2021. It's great in many aspects. Though I think there are issues. The issue is that I don't think that we are getting the most out of this great hardware. Us owners of the S21 are not happy that a company which sells phones for over 1000euros won't add features which the users want such as full RAW support. It would help people in many ways. Some people want the ability to do the post processing manually. This will result to get the most out of the photo if it was shot in RAW format.
Petition : http://chng.it/YVk72yhDYD
You can reply to this forum too : https://forum.developer.samsung.com...all-cameras-on-the-s21-s21-ultra-exynos/12549
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Great, arranged a few from my friends as well.. Must be around 10 now... Let's keep this alive.

As usual we have to ask for basic stuff that should be enforced by Google on every android devices...
The Samsung dev forum doesn't work.
You should also create one on consumer forum.
Anyway on both forum Samsung doesn't care...

tiliarou said:
As usual we have to ask for basic stuff that should be enforced by Google on every android devices...
The Samsung dev forum doesn't work.
You should also create one on consumer forum.
Anyway on both forum Samsung doesn't care...
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If you get loud enough, they might as well hear you...
20 signatures and counting

Sorry but I don't understand this. You can switch between ultra wide and wide lens on pro mode and both have RAW support.
Do you mean that samsung enable all camera options in pro mode? If that's the case then please fix the title and description or else you won't have any proper backing on that petition.

Riyal said:
Sorry but I don't understand this. You can switch between ultra wide and wide lens on pro mode and both have RAW support.
Do you mean that samsung enable all camera options in pro mode? If that's the case then please fix the title and description or else you won't have any proper backing on that petition.
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We want RAW on all the cameras, not just the main and ultra wide ones. The telephoto cameras are not available in Pro mode.

We just want Samsung to stop ****ing around as usual : release raw sensor access to other apps than their native ones

I've made a feature request at samsung developers forum. Maybe you guys can help me upvoting it:
RAW/Pro mode for tele cameras on S21 Ultra
Yes a full Camera2api support in all lenses required with RAW10 Support as same device in US region support it but international model doesn’t.
forum.developer.samsung.com

fl.campos said:
I've made a feature request at samsung developers forum. Maybe you guys can help me upvoting it:
RAW/Pro mode for tele cameras on S21 Ultra
Yes a full Camera2api support in all lenses required with RAW10 Support as same device in US region support it but international model doesn’t.
forum.developer.samsung.com
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Voted

Masikj said:
The Samsung S21 series is an amazing flagship phone featured in 2021. It's great in many aspects. Though I think there are issues. The issue is that I don't think that we are getting the most out of this great hardware. Us owners of the S21 are not happy that a company which sells phones for over 1000euros won't add features which the users want such as full RAW support. We want RAW on all the cameras, not just the main and ultra wide ones. The telephoto cameras are not available in Pro mode. It would help people in many ways. Some people want the ability to do the post processing manually. This will result to get the most out of the photo if it was shot in RAW format.
Petition : http://chng.it/YVk72yhDYD
You can reply to this forum too : https://forum.developer.samsung.com...all-cameras-on-the-s21-s21-ultra-exynos/12549
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Samsung being samsung.... they hid it or set it to private ! this totally pissed me off! we need some influential youtubers covering this so it gets more light.
https://forum.developer.samsung.com...t-for-all-cameras-on-the-s21-s21-ultra-exynos
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I did vote on the other link that seems to be active for now
https://forum.developer.samsung.com/t/raw-pro-mode-for-tele-cameras-on-s21-ultra/12617

Advice for phone

Hello, I want advice for a phone between iPhone 13 Pro, Samsung s 21+, I want to use it for a long time, fast and non-catching. What do you think of Samsung's Exinus processor? Some people say it's good, others say it's not. Is snapdragon better? Also what do you think about OnePlus 9 Pro, Oppo find x 3 pro, Sony xperia and Pixel 6 pro.? I will be grateful for your detailed advice. Which phone is the best in the long run.

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Long run, how long? There have been display issues with the S21Us. Unlike iPhones and other Androids stock Samsung's UI is tricked out.
Personally I won't buy any Android with no SD card slot which I use as a data drive. Samsung's support up to 1tb. My minimum ram is 8gb but having 12gb doesn't hurt.
I want a native spen, its remote bt shutter release and especially Smart Capture are very useful.
I want either Android 9 or 10 which the Samsung UI is nearly identical for both and functional.
I didn't want the issues with variable rate displays (reduced color rendering/power consumption) or 5G. I hate rounded display corners.
So I went with a second new Note 10+ Snapdragon running on Android 10.
Still one of the best Amoled displays out there. My heavily used 2+ year old N10+ continues to run nearly flawlessly with one battery replacement so far.
It looks and runs like it was new. No detectable display degradation with ScreenTest. It's a gorgeous solid workhorse that just keeps running. Buttons, spen and C port jack are still tight. Current OS load is over 1.5 years old, still fast and stable with minimal maintenance.
Projected service life is 2-3+ years.
Zero regrets... so far.
The biggest problem with Androids is choice. There's an Android to fit any appetite...
My display is minimalistic by design. Dark themed with One Handed Operation plus running on the sides. Digi Clock also hides a set of quad short cut buttons. There's a lot there, out of sight...
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I had a Samsung S8 for 4 years, but my
Имах Samsung S8 от 4 години, но ми

Yordanov said:
Имах Samsung S8 от 4 години, но ми го откраднаха. Не съм от хората, които сменят телефона за 1-2 години. Ето защо търся бърз, безпроблемен телефон за бъдещето с добра производителност
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"I had a Samsung S8 for 4 years, but it was stolen from me. I am not one of those people who change the phone in 1-2 years. That's why I'm looking for a fast, hassle-free phone for the future with good performance."
English only please.
Sorry to hear about your lose.
If you don't want the spen there's the S10, 20 series. These are smaller more no nonsense phones that are still very capable.
My knowledge of them however is very limited.
Whatever you decide use a reliable vendor as there's a lot of misleading ads. Best to talk with the company by phone first and feel them out.

blackhawk said:
"I had a Samsung S8 for 4 years, but it was stolen from me. I am not one of those people who change the phone in 1-2 years. That's why I'm looking for a fast, hassle-free phone for the future with good performance."
English only please.
Sorry to hear about your lose.
If you don't want the spen there's the S10, 20 series. These are smaller more no nonsense phones that are still very capable.
My knowledge of them however is very limited.
Whatever you decide use a reliable vendor as there's a lot of misleading ads. Best to talk with the company by phone first and feel them out.
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I'm apologies for my mistake

@Yordanov
A very warm welcome to XDA, I hope you'll always get the support you require and that you'll find the best advices regarding your above question. Did you already realise that we have two respective threads. Maybe you get more responses there than here in the introductions?
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Question Zenfone 9 expected spec/release date?

I'm about to throw down on an S22 because it's honestly the only human-hands sized phone in the current generation. The only thing holding me back is the possible curveball the ZF9 might be. Secondary display? Large battery? All the goodies with none of the bootloader locking nonsense I have to get around with international versions of the S22?
... maybe if the specs were announced tomorrow May 6th, like i saw posted somewhere? thoughts?

Looks like i answered my own question, they have an event May 9th that lines up perfectly with other Zenfone release dates
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theartialmartist said:
Looks like i answered my own question, they have an event May 9th that lines up perfectly with other Zenfone release dates
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Also.... may 9.... zenfone 9...

Thanks for taking the time to post the info. I too have been waiting for any details on this release. May 9th is now on my radar.

tahlsr said:
Thanks for taking the time to post the info. I too have been waiting for any details on this release. May 9th is now on my radar.
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I love that samsung went smaller, but the 3700mah battery is a potential dealbreaker. no reason for the phone to be 7mm thick when the cameras protrude so much. make the back flush and go 4500mah+ instead
All the extras are intriguing, interactive back or whatever. It's just the battery for me.

soooooo it looks like there's a second event May 17 and im seeing all Laptop results as teasers for today

aand that event today turned out to be just two new asus rog laptops, our wait for any zenfone 9 news continues...

sad panda is sad. guess im getting a galaxy. Man if the Pixel6A had even a 90hz screen it would have been an instant buy for me

after the disappointment of today/yesterday, imma link this leak from January 2022 just in case anyone hasn't seen it yet
Asus Zenfone 9 and ROG Phone 6 designs spotted in Android 12 update
Our first look at Asus' 2022 phone lineup. Asus had a pretty solid phone lineup in 2021 with the Zenfone 8 and ROG 5 Phone series. Zenfone 8 was one of the...
www.gsmarena.com
no fingerprint sensor back there but you will apparently still need a case cutout on the back anyways to use the "responsive back". maybe there will be a fingerprint sensor in the best location for one imo, that design in the leak or the feature in general could have been scrapped by now, who knows other than Asus themselves?
other things i'd like to see other than the fingerprint sensor in its proper place would be to:
keep the increasingly rare sub-6-inch form factor,
add one more camera for zoom to complete the almost standard now trifecta,
add wireless and reverse wireless charging just for the option and to set itself apart as one of the less than ten phones released this year so far with both,
and move the volume buttons to the left side of the phone,
that last one is minor but that just proves how well they did with the zen 8 imo.

Well well well, here it is
Asus Zenfone 9 official product video leaks revealing phone design and specs
The next compact Android flagship from Asus is on its way. The Asus Zenfone 8 was one of the only compact Android phones last year and now we’re finally...
m.gsmarena.com
They kept the form factor, increased the battery size a bit and they did improve the location of the fingerprint sensor so right now this is one of my top picks for a new phone. who knows maybe they're waiting on revealing wireless charging yet? Looks like they didn't reveal the responsive back yet so either that feature was axed (like it should be lol) or they haven't revealed all the features yet. Maybe I'm too optimistic... Its between this and the xperia IV for me and right now the xperia is better with its telephoto camera (something this phone will definitely not have, confirmed by its design) and wireless charging (something thats unlikely but still a possibility for the zenfone, fingers crossed), the zenfone has got the form factor and the assumedly better price though.

ZF9 is also gonna be like half the price of the 1 IV, with a TSMC chip instead of the blazing mess that the Samsung chip is.
For me, the ZF9 looks to be the perfect device this generation. I never use wireless charging (super inefficient, plus, you already have a wire going to the charger...) I would love to see microSD slot and a telephoto, but it checks enough boxes for me to hopefully finally retire the 8T.

General Motorola's broken phones and their customer support

In order to raise public awareness I want to sum up the experience most of us had in the last two months with the Edge 30 Ultra and Motorola's customer support.
The Edge 30 Ultra / x30 Pro was advertised as Motorola's latest and greatest flagship phone with the first implementation of Samsungs Isocell HP1 200mp sensor. Prior to release it received a lot of good reviews by testers and YouTube and other platforms, none of them even mentioning the huge issues that would follow.
Timeline:​The first issues popped up in August 2022, with videos being shared that are completely out of focus:
In September 2022 "Geeky Stuff" shared his views on the broken focus for pictures on YouTube:
I shared the information about broken RAW implementation on 2022-09-03 on Motorola's official forums. This report received nothing but pre fabricated text block answers from Motorola:
- https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/motoro...sensor-calibration/m-p/5167572?page=1#5733752
On 2022-09-16 I opened another thread with the major issues summed up. This was the first public report of the broken autofocus. About a week prior to this post I also wrote a mail to the camera department of Motorola, which received no answer. Once again we receive nothing but pre fabricated text block answers from Motorola:
- https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/motoro...ge-30-Ultra-Camera/m-p/5169967?page=1#5744728
A lot of other threads followed by people who were also aware of the problem and on 2022-11-17 and admin finally answered to other threads. In summed up words: They can not guarantee a fix for the issues and will not release any kind of timeline for future updates:
- https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/motorola-edge-30-ultra/DEAR-MOTOROLA/m-p/5182852?page=1#5802351
The current state (2022-11-25):​- Motorola's camera app does not support recording in 4k on the tele and ultrawide lenses. They are both limited to 1080p 30fps.
- The focus on the main sensor is BROKEN for anything above 4k 30fps and pumping and unreliable below that. There are a lot of videos all over the web but you can take a quick look here:
-> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NDga76ru_YZ5ggLvFTNYjY0xdkOME0-O/view
- The focus for pictures is unreliable and has unexpected behavior. "Geeky Stuff"'s video from above documented this extensively.
- The EIS / OIS for the main sensor is not calibrated correctly. Slightly shaking the phone produces earthquake like results:
-> https://drive.google.com/file/d/14tC6d1Tvq1888-DRVN6m7Zhr47jzPd25/view?usp=sharing
- The RAW output of the main sensor is BROKEN. It produces muddy contrasty dark images that are not fixable in post:
-> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13QfvUkFy8GgQOFMC3-jJckTiehmFRFtP
- Instead of working on the camera and fixing the issues that turn this into a 200€ low budget phone Motorola decided to work against the modding community. It is not possible to change the carrier via fastboot command after a recent update anymore.
All these issues were pointed out to Motorola more than TWO MONTHS ago, and not fixed since then. Mind you - this is a 800-900€ flagship device.
I'm hoping to raise awareness with this writeup, maybe point some websites to it.

Great post! Being a Motorola owner for the first time in my life. Is it normal that in 3 months i receive 1 update and the phone its still bugged especially in the camera department? I mean its 3 months already. We talking months not days.

Also so very disappointed by the Edge 30 "Ultra".
Even my aged ZTE Axon 30 Ultra received the October security patch today.
This phone using the Snapdragon 888 SoC reports the following video capabilities to 3rd party apps (here what ProShot Evaluator sees, bottom, in German)
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More video options, and also in the still image section there is also HEIC.
And now what the Edge 30 Ultra reports
Video on the ZTE Axon 30 Ultra the Edge 30 Ultra is lacking:
Color profiles for video
Cinematic mode (simulating large aperture lens)
HDR video