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Hello,
I am interested in the Mi 9 and want to buy it.
The bad news is, that Lineage just started to support the Mi 8 version, so Mi 9 support will take 1 year, too maybe.
I read all threads here, but I dont see any users who are interested in a ROM without Google.
Can someone tell me if there are other ROMs without Google which will maybe support the Mi 9 in the future?
And one question to the Google users: Why do you use ROMs with Google?
Thanks!
hi!
Room without google is chinese MIUI
I personally use google ROMs, as I use some of their services, mail, calendar, youtube to name a few
Well, the device came out two weeks ago and - not as usually Xiaomi do - has already the sources out too (usually they come out around 6 months later)!
So, a ROM like Lineage (unofficial) will probably come from the dev community very soon when someone with the right skills will invest some of his/her time (and then we will have to thank that person massively ).
Anyway if you ahve already the bootloader unlocked, you can try with some of the Treble ROMs (https://forum.xda-developers.com/project-treble)... It can be that some of them works already, even if with some bugs If I remember right phhusson bought a Mi9 too (am I wrong?)! So probably Phh-Treble ROM should sooner or later work for the Mi9
P.S. MIUI China is without Google but with so much more bloat
P.P.S. Well, I like Android for its integration with the Google ecosystem that I use widely in my real life (like probably most of the users... Gmail, Maps, Calendar, Youtube, etc...). If probably I wouldn't have needed it, I would have look to some of the other (few) OS alternatives in the market
mr-mauro said:
Well, the device came out two weeks ago and - not as usually Xiaomi do - has already the sources out too (usually they come out around 6 months later)!
So, a ROM like Lineage (unofficial) will probably come from the dev community very soon when someone with the right skills will invest some of his/her time (and that then we will need to thank massively ).
Anyway if you ahve already the bootloader unlocked and you can even try with some of the Treble ROMs (https://forum.xda-developers.com/project-treble)... It can be that some of the works already even if with some bugs If I remember right phhusson bought a Mi9 (am I wrong?) so probably Phh-Treble ROM should sooner or later work for sure on Mi9
P.S. MIUI China is without Google but with so much more bloat
P.P.S. Well, I like Android for its integration with the Google ecosystem that I use widely in my real life (like probably most of the users... Gmail, Maps, Calendar, Youtube, etc...). If probably I wouldn't have needed it, I would have look to some of the other (few) OS alternatives in the market
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Thank you for your answer, very helpful.
Why use a ROM with Google services in it?
Because Gmail is one of the better free email services out there. Google Music is far better than Spotify. Games saves my progress when I change to a new phone. Contact sync is extremely easy when it is saved to your gmail anyway. Play Store is the best app store on Android by far. Google's customized news feed lets me stay updated on things far easier than visiting other sites individually or manually setting up new feeds with third party apps that also take your data anyway. Google Photos+Drive is a great way to easily and automatically save your photos and sync them to new phones and without even taking up extra space on your new phone because they are really still in the cloud. Calendar is fine simply because it comes with the rest of the apps and dont have to bother with going and finding a third party app.
EniGmA1987 said:
Why use a ROM with Google services in it?
Because Gmail is one of the better free email services out there. Google Music is far better than Spotify. Games saves my progress when I change to a new phone. Contact sync is extremely easy when it is saved to your gmail anyway. Play Store is the best app store on Android by far. Google's customized news feed lets me stay updated on things far easier than visiting other sites individually or manually setting up new feeds with third party apps that also take your data anyway. Google Photos+Drive is a great way to easily and automatically save your photos and sync them to new phones and without even taking up extra space on your new phone because they are really still in the cloud. Calendar is fine simply because it comes with the rest of the apps and dont have to bother with going and finding a third party app.
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You forget one thing: It is Google.
I understand people who want to use Google, because they are rich and enough capacities to develope the best UIs.
I understand that some of you don't care about the data you leaves - but please don't forget that a monopoly is not good in any case, and we are talking about a monopoly with huge financial interest.
And yes, Google services are very good, but just the UI. The thing behind is just bad - they are a way better alternative services.
Keep in mind, that there are so many Android phones and on most of them is running a Google service, a monopoly with financial interest.
It is your decision if you stay with Google or not. But someone who care about the future and about his data should go away from Google.
xeDroidz said:
You forget one thing: It is Google.
I understand people who want to use Google, because they are rich and enough capacities to develope the best UIs.
I understand that some of you don't care about the data you leaves - but please don't forget that a monopoly is not good in any case, and we are talking about a monopoly with huge financial interest.
And yes, Google services are very good, but just the UI. The thing behind is just bad - they are a way better alternative services.
Keep in mind, that there are so many Android phones and on most of them is running a Google service, a monopoly with financial interest.
It is your decision if you stay with Google or not. But someone who care about the future and about his data should go away from Google.
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lol. So you can give your data instead to all the other 3rd party companies who want to eak out every Dollar they can since they have so fewer users? Nothing is different except Google, Apple, MS, Amazon has to maintain far more responsibility. By handing your data to unknown persons from various smaller companies you have no idea whether your data is being used responsibly or not or even if it is safegaurded well (which it isnt). At least with Google or Apple you know exactly what it is used for and where it is stored (which in the case of Apple, it is stored with Google anyway).
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lol. So you can give your data instead to all the other 3rd party companies who want to eak out every Dollar they can since they have so fewer users? Nothing is different except Google, Apple, MS, Amazon has to maintain far more responsibility. By handing your data to unknown persons from various smaller companies you have no idea whether your data is being used responsibly or not or even if it is safegaurded well (which it isnt). At least with Google or Apple you know exactly what it is used for and where it is stored (which in the case of Apple, it is stored with Google anyway).
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GMail is not open source for example. Why should I trust a closed source more then a open source service?
And I prefer services where I pay with my money and not with my data. And the monopoly fact is still there.
I know it is not easy to prevent all data leaks, but it is possible to 99%.
At the moment it is not easy, because there are so much money interested companys, which will collect your data.
For example: Why do you use WhatsApp, when you are using eMail? This make no sense, because eMail is decentral and WhatsApp not.
So you suceed to use a decentral message service like eMail, but failed to do the same with your IM.
The french goverment understand this, thats why they switched to an good new IM open source protocol.
But is is your decision. You need to understand the whole thing. I can't decide it for you.
If you want you can send me your browser history via PM, thank you.
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But someone who care about the future and about his data should go away from Google.
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Then you shouldn't be using a Xiaomi phone with MIUI, read their Privacy Policy. Miui even has you accept different
privacy policies and user agreements for different BUILT-IN apps. It's ridiculous.
More on point; mostly every android based custom ROMs have you install Open GApps to use Google functions,
so simply don't do this. When setting up your device don't sign in with a google account. Then root your phone and
strip any leftover (if any, I'm not sure) packages from your device. I think this is the most non-Google you will get.
LineageOS would be the go-to ROM for you (and me).
Here is some more info for you: link
The Dutchman said:
Then you shouldn't be using a Xiaomi phone with MIUI, read their Privacy Policy. Miui even has you accept different
privacy policies and user agreements for different BUILT-IN apps. It's ridiculous.
More on point; mostly every android based custom ROMs have you install Open GApps to use Google functions,
so simply don't do this. When setting up your device don't sign in with a google account. Then root your phone and
strip any leftover (if any, I'm not sure) packages from your device. I think this is the most non-Google you will get.
LineageOS would be the go-to ROM for you (and me).
Here is some more info for you: link
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Thank you for your answer.
Which ROM do you use atm? There is not Lineage Support for the Mi 9 atm.
I have same. I dont want Google framework and services in my phone when Android is open source system. Its very difficult have good translated rom with MIUI and havent Google. I testing remove Google from MIUI.EU rom long time but all my tests failed and China rom is bad for losing translations, have bloatware and more.
I'm interested too, I've long dreamed of a Roma without Google services as it was not enough they also added covid-19 if you find a solution let me know, thanks.
I have recently acquired a redmi note 9. My first experience with MIUI
I was surprised that some system applications display publicity. That is not acceptable. I want any undesired publicity. Less so if some user data is collected to target the publicity.
Is this publicity a problem with my phone only, or do all MIUI ROM display publicity?
Does anyone know if this publicity collects user data?
Is there any way to remove the publicity? Or removing the applications displaying it? Or any way to block the publicity on those applications?
Many thanks in advance
By "publicity", do you mean advertising?
If I remember correctly during setup there is the option to show or hide advertising - I've always declined advertising on the two Xiaomi phones I've owned
Also I'm in the EU - I think the international / EU MIUI distribution has more limited advertising than elsewhere
Where are you based and what firmware are you using?
I'm using the stock build of MIUI 11.0.5.0 QJOEUXM
Either way, I don't get any marketing at all from the OS (I use a different launcher too and don't use any MIUI apps, aside from the camera)
AdGuard deals with any unwanted advertising within 3rd party apps
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By "publicity", do you mean advertising?
If I remember correctly during setup there is the option to show or hide advertising - I've always declined advertising on the two Xiaomi phones I've owned
Also I'm in the EU - I think the international / EU MIUI distribution has more limited advertising than elsewhere
Where are you based and what firmware are you using?
I'm using the stock build of MIUI 11.0.5.0 QJOEUXM
Either way, I don't get any marketing at all from the OS (I use a different launcher too and don't use any MIUI apps, aside from the camera)
AdGuard deals with any unwanted advertising within 3rd party apps
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Hi Thesoupthief
Thanks for your reply.
I really do not remember any option to show or hide advertising. I will clear all data and run set up again. This time I will put special attention on any advertising options
I am using V11.0.4.0.QJOEUXM (MIUI11).
Which launcher do you use?
Did you uninstall MIUI system apps (is that possible?) or did you just install different apps?
Which apps do you suggest replacing MIUI ones?
Thanks in advance
Hi, you might try updating through settings to get the point update to MIUI 11.0.5.0 - unlikely to make any difference in terms of marketing, but nice to have the latest
I tried a few different launchers and settled with CPL - custom pixel launcher - it allows you to swipe right for Google feed etc, which I use a lot
I still have some MIUI apps (most can't be uninstalled without root, though some can be) though have Hidden them all from the app drawer to reduce clutter. I'm more comfortable with the Google alternatives ("better the devil you know...")
I was hoping to be able to use a GCam mod to replace the camera app, but the only one available for this phone at the moment is a bit slow and janky - I've been pretty happy with shots I've taken with the stock camera (though the watermark is pretty offensive, until you find the "off" setting!)
EDIT - a bit of further reading and advice you might find helpful in this article - https://www.androidauthority.com/remove-ads-xiaomi-miui-1019139/
Found this post, very helpful for disabling advertisings on MIUI:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-7/how-to/remove-redmi-note-7-bloatware-root-t3925049
Hi Devs,
Can some devs come together and work on a separate side-load-eable MI DIALER Port for AOSP roms and normal MIUI?
Something really similar to ANXCamera. Xiaomi and many other manufacturers have become really lazy by not providing region specific apps and clubbing all regions in their global apps together.
For example, countries like India, Indonesia other many other SEA countries do not have any legislations about declared call recording (in fact encouraged) but Xiaomi does not provide their very capable Mi Dialer anymore and instead bundles the pathetic Google Dialer.
Google in all it's self righteous glory declares calls are being recorded to both the parties when using it's Google Dialer, without an option to turn it off in countries where it's not mandated (talk about Google being richer than countries and setting it's own regulations).
This doesn't seem like a really difficult thing to do for a couple of capable developers giving it a couple of days and should really be a thing to be taken care of.
Regards,
LeDiable
LeDiable said:
Hi Devs,
Can some devs come together and work on a separate side-load-eable MI DIALER Port for AOSP roms and normal MIUI?
Something really similar to ANXCamera. Xiaomi and many other manufacturers have become really lazy by not providing region specific apps and clubbing all regions in their global apps together.
For example, countries like India, Indonesia other many other SEA countries do not have any legislations about declared call recording (in fact encouraged) but Xiaomi does not provide their very capable Mi Dialer anymore and instead bundles the pathetic Google Dialer.
Google in all it's self righteous glory declares calls are being recorded to both the parties when using it's Google Dialer, without an option to turn it off in countries where it's not mandated (talk about Google being richer than countries and setting it's own regulations).
This doesn't seem like a really difficult thing to do for a couple of capable developers giving it a couple of days and should really be a thing to be taken care of.
Regards,
LeDiable
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I don't think any dev would be interested in doing so. For any reason you need call recording very badly, you can use custom MIUI ROMs like EU, MiMix, Hellas, etc. If that is not your cup of coffee, then use any third-party call recording apps made for AOSP ROMs.
Good luck!
You can flash NikGapps on vanilla aosp builds it's has modified AOSP dilaer which let you enjoy recording feature. beside, You can install module (root needed) to make it happen.
Would sepatare app for call rcording wouldn't work?
le grande magnetto said:
Would sepatare app for call rcording wouldn't work?
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Doesn't work. Google has screwed something up where all the playstore apps are redundant. All are only at the mercy of the great Google for their announced call recording using the google-dialer.
Im currently using ACR but other party is very silent in comparison.recordin from within the dialer would be perfect.
LeDiable said:
Hi Devs,
Can some devs come together and work on a separate side-load-eable MI DIALER Port for AOSP roms and normal MIUI?
Something really similar to ANXCamera. Xiaomi and many other manufacturers have become really lazy by not providing region specific apps and clubbing all regions in their global apps together.
For example, countries like India, Indonesia other many other SEA countries do not have any legislations about declared call recording (in fact encouraged) but Xiaomi does not provide their very capable Mi Dialer anymore and instead bundles the pathetic Google Dialer.
Google in all it's self righteous glory declares calls are being recorded to both the parties when using it's Google Dialer, without an option to turn it off in countries where it's not mandated (talk about Google being richer than countries and setting it's own regulations).
This doesn't seem like a really difficult thing to do for a couple of capable developers giving it a couple of days and should really be a thing to be taken care of.
Regards,
LeDiable
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Why not use magisk?
there is a module that records every call. Skvalex
Sonisudhanshu said:
Why not use magisk?
there is a module that records every call. Skvalex
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Nice! good for rooted chaps. Having said that, there should be a way for the not so technically inclined. I personally, seriously have an aversion towards keeping the root level access to my phone open all the time. There should be something available for lesser mortals like me who choose not to root. Something similar to ANXCamera which just requires a simple flash.
People are underestimating the gravity of the current situation, this new wave of Chinese phones have only started giving these pathetic G-apps, instead of the apps they used to provide, people are having no options other than change phones/roms. I personally know a chap who sold off a brand new phone just because it had the Google Dialer and moved to a pathetic Samsung mid-ranger just for the call-recording functionality.
LeDiable said:
Doesn't work. Google has screwed something up where all the playstore apps are redundant. All are only at the mercy of the great Google for their announced call recording using the google-dialer.
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Actually this one works perfectly... tested both on arrow and lineage: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lma.callrecorder
Bump.
LeDiable said:
Doesn't work. Google has screwed something up where all the playstore apps are redundant. All are only at the mercy of the great Google for their announced call recording using the google-dialer.
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I'm using this app with inbuild recorder and I can recommend as dialer phonebook and recorder (I've bought pro) : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hb.dialer.free
Seems like Samsung from S21 also strarts using Google Dialer/Phone and Messages. this is sad...
le grande magnetto said:
Seems like Samsung from S21 also strarts using Google Dialer/Phone and Messages. this is sad...
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wait WHAT? Why? Where? How? When did this happen? Sauce please!
LeDiable said:
wait WHAT? Why? Where? How? When did this happen? Sauce please!
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Samsung Galaxy S21 makes Google Messages app native, but there's a catch
Samsung Messages may still be the default on the new S21 lineup, but Google Messages is now a native app on Samsung's new phones.
www.cnet.com
Google Messages on the Samsung Galaxy S21 gets a new One UI-inspired design
Google has redesigned its Messages app on the Galaxy S21 to match Samsung's One UI style even more.
www.androidcentral.com
Well it's just about the Messages but Phone should follow next.
Abdullah.Csit said:
You can flash NikGapps on vanilla aosp builds it's has modified AOSP dilaer which let you enjoy recording feature. beside, You can install module (root needed) to make it happen.
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Do I have to flash Core or Basic NikGapps and which module are you talking about?
Sonisudhanshu said:
Why not use magisk?
there is a module that records every call. Skvalex
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in magisk Skvalex is paid after 30 days but the Axet' Call Recorder module is free and works well
le grande magnetto said:
Im currently using ACR but other party is very silent in comparison.recordin from within the dialer would be perfect.
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I used ACR but the sound is low
The best is Axet' Call Recorder module (magisk)
fermateus said:
I used ACR but the sound is low
The best is Axet' Call Recorder module (magisk)
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I'm using true phone dialer with inbuild call recorder and I can recommend the pro
True Phone Dialer & Contacts - Apps on Google Play
Powerful T9 phone and contact manager with dual SIM support and call recorder
play.google.com
Use any vanilla ROM that has call recorder and install gapps, but edit the script so that the aosp dialer is not replaced with Google's. Done.
MIUI Dialer is not only good for recording calls but the UI itself is the best. There is not a single dialer as of now that can beat MIUI dialer's UI and simplicity. If somebody can make it, it'd be great.
My Search Fu may not be the best, but I did try to find an answer. Is there any way to successfully record calls with the current release of Android (10 with One UI 2.5) on the Note9 without using root or changing CSC in regions where it is not enabled in the Samsung phone app?
Some people have used third-party call recording apps with the phone's speakerphone mode. Unfortunately, that is not an option in public, especially when dealing with something sensitive. It is incomprehensible that Google would remove functionality that is one of the most basic, most necessary ones for smartphone users. It is COMPLETELY LEGAL for me to record calls where I live. Allow me to do so.
is that another limitation as well? I can seem to backup device to google drive. As far as I read from all the threads, Android Auto, location history did not work. But I didnt see backing up device to google (and restoring).
Just wondering and sorry if I missed it somewhere on the threads.
rudabb said:
is that another limitation as well? I can seem to backup device to google drive. As far as I read from all the threads, Android Auto, location history did not work. But I didnt see backing up device to google (and restoring).
Just wondering and sorry if I missed it somewhere on the threads.
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It doesn't work too even when it's rarely mentioned.
ok..Thats that .
Thanks
There are plenty more google services just not as widely used that don't work.
E g. Google Play Services for AR (formerly ARCore). Some Vivo China OS devices support it, others don't according to google compatibility list. It kinda stops at x50 pro however (with x80 vanilla being the odd newer exception). You can side load it but then you also need to side load / apk install any app that is AR only on Play store.
It should be offered in vivo appstore if compatible for vivo devices but x90 pp doesn't list it.
I'm not sure if for example pokemon Go works however. On a first try it only showed AR instead of AR+ which it should show with ARCore. If it only enables AR+ with full google compatibility indicated it will not work. If it can be set to just ignore compatibility it will work.
Google assistant barely works (no conversation, no hotword). Quite a few other missing things here and there ( not sure how many can be partly solved by side loading)
worse thing is Im hooked on this phone...but everyday theres a little bit of you cant do this and cant do that...shame. because if they did a global version its a winner..
I am wondering how funtouch 13 compares to color OS...almost tempted to try the x90 pro global as the 1 inch camera and the hardware I am sold on.
I am still struggling with notifications on lock screen only, and things like nearby share dont work..like little things that add up.....
rudabb said:
worse thing is Im hooked on this phone...but everyday theres a little bit of you cant do this and cant do that...shame. because if they did a global version its a winner..
I am wondering how funtouch 13 compares to color OS...almost tempted to try the x90 pro global as the 1 inch camera and the hardware I am sold on.
I am still struggling with notifications on lock screen only, and things like nearby share dont work..like little things that add up.....
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Not possible to use Google backup on a phone without root for me is a huge problem, not a small one. Because it means days to restore should you move to another phone respectively should you need to hard reset....
But yeah in principle it's a great hardware (except modem, some sensors like compass and the slow charging on PD chargers plus the uber sensitivity to charging cables), just software that hits a few bugs every single day.
I really feel you need to be a die hard Vivo fanboy to overlook those problems.
Buying a Xiaomi virtually anyone outside China just flashes xiaomi.eu custom ROM. Very different situation. Same for OnePlus just flash to global (though with OnePlus 11 this got mighty complicated especially with region lock)..
But for example for AR vivo 90 pro global isn't certified either, so that actually had nothing much to do with google. Other Chinese brands certify all their midranger and flagships because it affects also all Chinese apps that want to use AR as it's the only AR platform for Android. And yes side loading works but if the system reports it cannot do it, while it can it poses app developers into big problems. If they just enable AR features for all phones then those who didn't side load the AR services will get bugs...
If you want the 1" sensor just wait for Xiaomi 13 Ultra and either get global directly or wait for a Xiaomi.eu ROM (many shops will pre flash). It will have the 1" sensor with variable aperture as it seems and that's a huge plus because in quite a lot of situations the bokeeh is too much (e.g food pictures). Or wait what Samsung does with the announced big camera update end of March (or use gcam on S23u, it's really dialled by now and way superior to stock and doesn't have the problems gcam has on X90pp). Then Pixel 8 pro should have 1/1.12" sensor too but that's a long wait...
The Magic 5 pro cannot really convince me for upgrade. They also botched the modem like Vivo and the zoom isn't too good. I would prefer it but not good enough vs s23U. Also it doesn't seem to use actual crop from full resolution for 2x portrait and some more limitations on camera.